Us presidential election 2004

[shinRaiden 0]

Hi all

The groundswell is happening with more and more states looking to turn red.

Latest polls and electoral college monitors show a possible mandate confirmation for the Bush Cheney Campaign.

This will only be possible if You get out and vote on Tuesday Morning at 6 o' clock. If you have to go latter dont leave it too late the queues are going to be massive. Get in that queue. Stay in that queue and vote for George Bush.

Remember Your Vote Counts

In this election, above any other your vote counts, your vote could be the one that tips the balance in your state. Even states with that apeared to have a dubious Kerry lead are now up for grabs with the massive increase in the number of voters. No matter which state you are in; GET OUT AND VOTE!

7 States (103 electoral votes) are up for easy grabs

If you live anywhere you must, must, must get out and vote. Latest polls put it well within the margin for error and with 11% more new voters from all demographics including concerned young Republicans, it is easily winable for George Bush if you Get out and Vote

Be determined to make a diference.

Go equiped for a long queue. Remember to wrap up warm take Umbrelas. Go with friends so you can take turns at toilet breaks. Take food and drinks or order piza.

Stay friendly. Stay calm. Stay in the vote

Remember be friendly in the queue. Do not get drawn in to big arguments. If there are Democrats or Socialists there be friendly. Remember you are there to elect the next President of the United states of America, and ~33 senators and many congresspeople and govenors and legislators and local officials and judges and ballot measures. Focus on that job.

Enjoy your election

Remember this is your election. Your vote is what counts. It is YOU that is deciding the next president of the United States of America, his mandate, and the people to help get it done. Get out at 6 0' Clock in the morning on Tuesday. Make a Day of it. Make a carnival of it. Take picknic or order Pizza in the queue but get out and Vote. And Vote George Bush for President.

If you experience any difficulties in polling, please immediately notify the poll monitors at your polling place. Official party representatives (such as my self) at the polling places will be there to assist you in reporting any cases of voter intimidation, fraud, or other attempts to deny you the legitimate right to vote.

Please be respectful of your polling place. Many sites such as schools, churches, and fire stations may have other operations going on during the course of the day. The polling place is for you to vote at, not to preach in.

God Bless America, no one else will. shinRaiden.

[billybob2002 0]

Walker is too cool for you! And, that is a fact.

[Pathy 0]

Quote[/b] ]You mean promises like trying to turn over the $7bn budget defecit your brilliant president has managed to run up? May i remind you he wouldnt have to turn the deficit around if Mr Bush hadnt run it up?

Hold on, Doc! You telling me not to vote?

Nah, I'm telling you to consider carefully who you vote for...the one who has caused most of the problems that are major election issues (the economy, iraq ect) or the one who at least will try to fix them.

Then again your so set in your ways that George Bush could molest babies and you wouldnt bat an eyelid. Must remember: Converting Billybob from G.W.B is impossible.

[Bordoy 0]

Listen to shin, vote Bush.

Changing scene of polls

You can see towards the end especially in October its been bouncing up and down like crazy. I think there will be one more change to Bush, and for the better

[Badgerboy 0]

Listen to shin, vote Bush.

Actually if Bush gets in, it can only mean good things for the UK economy. Now my Å can buy many, many $'s! I can't stop ordering from the US now, even though all the products are made elsewhere in the world and shipped there!

Not to mention whats going to happen if the Us gets shitty with embargos again, as the EU is going to be in a position to crush them if they do so.

Go Bush! So can can keep buying cheap PC equipment!

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Then again your so set in your ways that George Bush could molest babies and you wouldnt bat an eyelid. Must remember: Converting Billybob from G.W.B is impossible.

I like babies....

[Pathy 0]

And we should listen to someone who comes out with stuff like:

Quote[/b] ]Kerry has commited war crimes in vietnam, that is why the veterans are against him. How can you, yes you, reward him for such evil activity. He has stood form on the ground that he is against the Human Rights for vietnamese as if it is passed he will be in trouble.

?

And where did you come up with that piece of uninformed crap? Oh let me guess, a Bush sponsored advertising campaign.....

A small minority of vets are against him because he came home and spoke against the war. Not because he committed any war crimes. There are no war crimes in his record.

Are you also naive to believe that

Quote[/b] ]George Bush is committed to cut goverment spending and not raise taxes. He wants to help fight the AIDS epidemic in Africa, and he wants to whipe out Prejudice and Hatred.

?

Please tell me your being sarcastic......

If not, i could pick alot of holes in that statement. Lets just start with the "whiping" out prejudice and hatred. For a man whos basically declared a crusade on every country that doesnt agree with America, i dont think wiping out hatred and prejudice are his strongpoints.

Listen to Walker, vote for Kerry.

[Pathy 0]

Listen to shin, vote Bush.

Actually  if Bush gets in, it can only mean good things for the UK economy. Now my Šcan buy many, many $'s! I can't stop ordering from the US now, even though all the products are made elsewhere in the world and shipped there!

Not to mention whats going to happen if the Us gets shitty with embargos again, as the EU is going to be in a position to crush them if they do so.

Go Bush! So can can keep buying cheap PC equipment!

Woah never thought about it like that! Go Bush! Vote for Bush today, weaken America, its benifits the rest of us! GO ON! You know it makes sense!

>>>>Now a firm supporter of the Bush campaign

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Listen to Walker, vote for Kerry.  

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He cannot. But, a warning to all those Kerry voters, RalphWiggum will ban you!

[Akira 0]

http://www.idleworm.com/nws/2004/anthr.shtml

Yep. Discussed this already. Looks like you missed the counterside, as you did in the above Kerry interview. Have fun! maybe you'll learn something new.

I'm not sure why you decided to post all those, but I'll take them on since you seem to be proud of them. So indeed, look and learn, perhaps YOU will learn something.

Let's get started!

Quote[/b] ]"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."

- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Already off to a good start. The next paragraph:

Quote[/b] ]That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm.

Quote[/b] ]"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."

- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

I've already posted quotes and the link to the transcipt of this speech. In case you missed it, just before he said that he said:

Quote[/b] ]In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the commitments he has made to the American people in recent days--to work with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act with our allies at our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by force. If he fails to do so, I will be among the first to speak out.

Quote[/b] ]"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."

- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

Not sure why you posted a Clinton quote, but if you think Clinton would go to a pre-emptive false intelligence war I think you might be a bit dillusional.

Quote[/b] ]"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."

- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

See above.

Quote[/b] ]"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."

- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

First Clinton now Albright? Still not seeing what you are trying to get at? That Clinton and Albright would rush to war like Bush? Hardly.

Quote[/b] ]"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."

- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

No one denied that Saddam was a crazy son of a bitch. But again this entire quote was taken out of context like the other Kerry quotes.

Quote[/b] ]"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."

Letter to President Clinton.

- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

Sorry. Missed the part where it said all out full scale invasion. Perhaps you could point it out?

Quote[/b] ]

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

So now I see your aim is just to try to discredit Democrats. It's difficult to respond to these quotes if you don't give a source, as I did with the entire Kerry speech (which you missed). I couldn't find anything on this through a search other than a sentence before it in which she says: "As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations."

In any case we know now that he has not been able to do anything with WMD during the sanctions and inspections. And I didn't see the Clinton Administration rushing off to invade.

Quote[/b] ]"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."

- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

See above.

Quote[/b] ]We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."

- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

From the same speech:

Quote[/b] ]Some have suggested that we also commit ourselves to unilateral action in Iraq, and that we do so now, in the middle of our efforts to enlist the world community to back a UN resolution or resolutions enforcing Iraqi compliance with unconditional inspections and disarmament requirements. They say that although we told the UN that their role is vital just a week ago, we should now say that we are just fine in proceeding on our own. I believe if we really mean it when we say that we want the UN to be relevant, then we should not act in a manner that treats them as irrelevant.

Quote[/b] ]

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."

- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

SIGH.

From the same speech:

Quote[/b] ]To begin with, I believe we should focus our efforts first and foremost against those who attacked us on September 11th and have thus far gotten away with it. The vast majority of those who sponsored, planned and implemented the cold blooded murder of more than 3,000 Americans are still at large, still neither located nor apprehended, much less punished and neutralized. I do not believe that we should allow ourselves to be distracted from this urgent task simply because it is proving to be more difficult and lengthy than predicted. Great nations persevere and then prevail. They do not jump from one unfinished task to another.

AND

Quote[/b] ]Nevertheless, President Bush is telling us that the most urgent requirement of the moment - right now - is not to redouble our efforts against Al Qaeda, not to stabilize the nation of Afghanistan after driving his host government from power, but instead to shift our focus and concentrate on immediately launching a new war against Saddam Hussein. And he is proclaiming a new, uniquely American right to pre-emptively attack whomsoever he may deem represents a potential future threat.

Moreover, he is demanding in this high political season that Congress speedily affirm that he has the necessary authority to proceed immediately against Iraq and for that matter any other nation in the region, regardless of subsequent developments or circumstances. The timing of this sudden burst of urgency to take up this cause as America's new top priority, displacing the war against Osama Bin Laden, was explained by the White House Chief of Staff in his now well known statement that "from an advertising point of view, you don't launch a new product line until after labor day."

Also FYI, these paragraphs bookend yours.

Quote[/b] ]"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."

- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

From the same speech:

Quote[/b] ] There is clearly a threat from Iraq, and there is clearly a danger, but the Administration has not made a convincing case that we face such an imminent threat to our national security that a unilateral, pre-emptive American strike and an immediate war are necessary.

Says some other interesting things too. Here i s the rest of the speech. (doubt you'll read it.)

Quote[/b] ]"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."

- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

Can't find the speech.

Quote[/b] ]"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."

- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

Same Speech:

Quote[/b] ]In the past month or so, we have begun to see an encouraging shift in the Administration’s approach. The President stated earlier this week that war is neither imminent nor unavoidable. The Administration has assured us that whatever action we take toward Iraq, it will not be permitted to divert resources or attention from the war on terrorism. And Secretary Powell has been working with the United Nations Security Council to put together a new resolution to make clear that Iraq must disarm or face the consequences.

We have already begun to see some encouraging movement on the issue of Iraqi disarmament. Other Security Council members (such as France and Russia), as well as other Arab states in the Middle East have begun to talk seriously about forcing Saddam to comply with the U.N. resolutions. And Saddam Hussein has begun to make offers on inspections and disarmament, offers that -- while inadequate, so far -- indicate he has at least begun to move off his hardline position against inspections.

Obviously, much important work remains to be done, and that will take tough negotiating with the other members of the United Nations, and a firm line with Iraq.

Quote[/b] ]"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

Same speech.

There's alot more but this summed it up nicely.

Quote[/b] ]My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose -- all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world.

Quote[/b] ]"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."

- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

Couldn't find it.

Man. And you busted someone else for taking something out of context to! You show yourself to be the master of one-sided-ness!

[Pathy 0]

Ralphwiggum has access to the poll results? Is Ralph head of a highly secret government organisation that pulls the strings behind the scenes, ensuring that its will is done, on the road to its ultimate goal of taking over the world?

Or are you just talking chaff?

Rhetorical question btw

[red oct 2]

Kerry has commited war crimes in vietnam, that is why the veterans are against him. How can you, yes you, reward him for such evil activity. He has stood form on the ground that he is against the Human Rights for vietnamese as if it is passed he will be in trouble.

George Bush is committed to cut goverment spending and not raise taxes. He wants to help fight the AIDS epidemic in Africa, and he wants to whipe out Prejudice and Hatred.

John Kerry will repeal Bush's tax cuts to help the goverment spending, which Bush will cut.

Please make the right choice and vote for George W. Bush. This choice affects the world, not just The United States of America.

Kerry a war criminal? is it because he actually fought in a war that makes him a war criminal? Bush lead a war that costed who knows how many civilians in Iraq, what does that make him? speaking of which, Bush can't even account for his service record (cough) AWOL (cough) and the only excuse he has managed to come up for his abstence was that he was on "medical" leave because of hemoriods. maybe they found Dick Cheny up his ass? i dunno. but looking as how Bush's only accomplishment as Governer of Texas was having the highest state executions in the Union. i mean dont get me wrong, im all for execution. Personally i think they should bring back the gallows or firing squad. yea sure the great war president made all us safer in the U.S. maybe thats because there are plenty of us to kill in Iraq? death toll already over 1100. yea i think Bush had enough time in office. its time to give somebody else a shot.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Ralphwiggum has access to the poll results?    Is Ralph head of a highly secret government organisation that pulls the strings behind the scenes, ensuring that its will is done, on the road to its ultimate goal of taking over the world?

Or are you just talking chaff?  

Rhetorical question btw

Akira is going to be the first victim in the purge of the non-Bush folks....tommorrow you are out of here!

Edit: It seems Red Oct might join him if he old enough to vote.

[Pathy 0]

Man. And you busted someone else for taking something out of context to! You show yourself to be the master of one-sided-ness!

Nice one Akira! Respec'  

@Red Oct

Behind you 100%

@ billybob. The forum will be pretty much deserted then, as all the pro Kerry/anti Bush people (about 50% of americans and about 70-80% of everyone else) are dragged off to the Gulags

[shinRaiden 0]

Kerry claimed he was a war criminal, and did so before the Senate. Kerry claimed his actions were atrocities, however there is no effort on his part to legally rectify his own 'war crimes'. Of course, if you ask the North vietnamese, they're confused as well. they don't think Kerry is a war criminal, even though Kerry said it himself.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]@ billybob. The forum will be pretty much deserted then, as all the pro Kerry/anti Bush people (about 50% of americans and about 70-80% of everyone else) are dragged off to the Gulags  

The younger americans, the ones that cannot vote, who want Kerry to win can stay. Europeans can stay because they cannot vote in this election.

my time is up...

[Pathy 0]

Good for Kerry then. It takes a principled man to be able to stand up before the senate and tell them all that was wrong about the conduct of the Vietnam war.

If nothing else, better than using family connections to ensure you get an easy posting....and then going AWOL from it......

[Akira 0]

Kerry claimed he was a war criminal, and did so before the Senate. Kerry claimed his actions were atrocities, however there is no effort on his part to legally rectify his own 'war crimes'. Of course, if you ask the North vietnamese, they're confused as well. they don't think Kerry is a war criminal, even though Kerry said it himself.

Fer christ sake he never claimed to be a war criminal, nor did he claim he ever committed atrocities.

Did you even bother to read his testimony.?

He clearly states 1)that he is refering to previous testimony of other veterans, and 2)he is speaking in GENERAL terms.

Man you are like a baby and Bush has got the apple sauce.

[Badgerboy 0]

I think Bordoy posted that statement without thinking it through. Or maybe they have gotten to him too!

[Pathy 0]

Europeans can stay because they cannot vote in this election.

Oh if only....

[shinRaiden 0]

Well the abbreviated edition Akira posted is definately applesauce, there's a lot more to what Kerry had to say.

Wintersoldier.com - Part one of two

Entire transcript also available as a pdf there.

Additional historical documents Wintersoldier.com

Have a little cinnamon with your applesauce.

Hey, lets add suborning perjury to Kerry's war crimes list:

Sworn affidavit of Spc. Pitkin

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AFFIDAVIT OF STEVEN J. PITKIN

STATE OF FLORIDA

COUNTY OF PALM BEACH

Before me, the undersigned authority, personally appeared Steven J. Pitkin, known, to me to be the person whose name is subscribed to this instrument, who, after first being duly sworn by me, upon oath stated:

1. My name is Steven J. Pitkin. I am over the age of twenty-one years, and I am fully competent and able to make this affidavit. I am able to swear, as I do hereby swear, that all facts and statements contained in this affidavit are true and correct and within my personal knowledge.

2. I am a combat veteran of the Vietnam War, having served with the Ninth Division of the U.S. Army beginning 25 May 1969. A mortar explosion wounded me, my wounds gradually became infected, and I was treated in an Army hospital in Okinawa. I contracted hepatitis C from blood transfusions I received during that time. I left Vietnam on 28 August 1969 and was honorably discharged from the Army on 9 September 1970.

3. Medals received for my Army service include: Combat Infantry Badge, Army Commendation Medal, National Defense Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal, Vietnam Campaign Medal, RVN Cross of Gallantry, Air Medal, Purple Heart.

4. During my service in Vietnam, I neither witnessed nor participated in any American war crimes or atrocities against civilians, nor was I ever aware of any such actions. I did witness the results of Vietcong atrocities against Vietnamese civilians, including the murder of tribal leaders.

5. Upon my return to the United States I encountered anti-war protestors who, at various times, threw feces, spit, and screamed obscenities.

6. I joined Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), at Catonsville Community College in Baltimore in 1970.

7. In January of 1971, I rode in a van with John Kerry, a national leader of the VVAW, and others from Washington D.C. to Detroit to attend the Winter Soldier Investigation, a conference intended to publicize alleged American war crimes in Vietnam. Having no knowledge of such war crimes, I did not intend to speak at the event.

8. During the Winter Soldier Investigation, John Kerry and other leaders of that event pressured me to testify about American war crimes, despite my repeated statements that I could not honestly do so. One event leader strongly implied that I would not be provided transportation back to my home in Baltimore, Maryland, if I failed to comply. Kerry and other leaders of the event instructed me to publicly state that I had witnessed incidents of rape, brutality, atrocities and racism, knowing that such statements would necessarily be untrue.

9. In April 1971, I attended a VVAW protest in Washington D.C. known as “Dewey Canyon III.†During this event I was present when protestors, including John Kerry, threw medals and ribbons over a fence outside the U.S. Capitol. I witnessed a man holding a bag of ribbons and medals and handing them out to other protestors. I saw that many of the ribbons and medals were not those that would be received by veterans of combat in Vietnam.

10. During the “Dewey Canyon III†protest, others and I confronted protestors who were wearing or carrying Vietcong flags.

11. After the “Dewey Canyon III†protest, I was no longer invited to meetings of the VVAW in Baltimore, and ended my association with the organization.

12. I joined the 5/20th Special Forces Group of the Maryland National Guard in 1974, was graduated from paratrooper “jump school†with honors in 1976, joined the Coast Guard in 1978 and served there until my retirement in May 1997.

(signed) Steven J. Pitkin

Further affiant saith not.

Subscribed and sworn to before me this 15th Day of September, 2004.

Jonathan Feldman

Commission # DD235268

My commission expires July 28, 2007

[Pathy 0]

So you are anti a guy for coming home and having the guts to speak about what he'd done, but pro a guy who dodged the draft. Its quite ironic really that you probably consider yourself a class A patriot (star spangled banner in your sig, anti anyone who critisises your country even the slightest), yet your backing the guy who didnt actually fight for his country.

And i bet if a soldier came back from Iraq and says basically what Kerry had said only in the context of Iraq you would not hold it against him. If you did then...well i dont know what to make of someone who dislikes a person for being willing to speak out against something he believes is wrong.....

[shinRaiden 0]

Umm, no. When they threatened to draft all the nurses in WW2, my grandmother chose to enlist instead to get the better ranking.

The draft was still on in Vietnam, and you had just a few choices, wait for your number like Spc. Pitkin, enlist like Bush and Kerry, try for an academic or ministerial deferment like many others, or go smoke dope in Oxford like Clinton.

John Kerry lied before congress for personal profit, and suborned the testimony of others. To this day 33 years later, he still defends not only that false testimony, but in rejecting the ideal of defending the cause of freedom.

George Bush has been accused of the same thing, but the very best you can do is point out that he was fed information that was not retroactively substaniated. The aspects of day-to-day tactics of course are changing, anybody would be an idiot not to do so.

But the principle strategy remains absolutely clear - defend the cause of Human Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness at whatever sacrifice needed - and will continue to move forward, unless America votes to turn their backs on humanity tomorrow.

[Acecombat 0]

Everyone shut and listen to what the cosmos has to say  

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....gers_dc

Quote[/b] ]The Planets Have Made Up Their Mind: Kerry Wins

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Surveys in the United States may be showing the race for president as too close to call but top Indian astrologers say the planets have clearly made up their mind: John Kerry (news - web sites) will win.

Planets governing President Bush (news - web sites) are eclipsed and in an uncomfortable position, making his tenure controversial and his re-election bid unsuccessful, the soothsayers said on Friday, four days before the vote.

On the other hand, the planets of Democratic challenger Senator John Kerry were in the ascendant, ensuring him success in competitions.

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]Well the abbreviated edition Akira posted is definately applesauce, there's a lot more to what Kerry had to say.

Wintersoldier.com - Part one of two

Entire transcript also available as a pdf there.

Additional historical documents Wintersoldier.com

Have a little cinnamon with your applesauce.

Where the hell, exactly, does Kerry say he is a war criminal oh wise one?

And I would also like you to post any facts that prove that nothing of what Kerry described in his testimony in general terms happened. Are you saying the US didn't napalm any villages? Right. There weren't incidents of helicopters straffing civilians because they "might" be VC? My Lai never happened? Please.

Quote[/b] ]

Hey, lets add suborning perjury to Kerry's war crimes list:

So lets see, Oh King Of Hypocrisy. You take this at face value, but dismiss the numerous people that say Bush went AWOL. That he used his family position to stay out of VietNam. And the numerous military sources, and people witness to the events, that say Kerry is a hero?

Dude please. Now Bush is spoonfeeding you bullshit and calling it apple sauce, and you are still gulping it down.

"Yes Master may I have more?"

Quote[/b] ]...try for an academic or ministerial deferment like many others, or go smoke dope in Oxford like Clinton.

Nice dodging the fact Cheney dodged also. Good job.

Quote[/b] ]John Kerry lied before congress for personal profit

Just what exactly would that profit be? He didn't consider politics till after the Senate hearings, and he LOST his first run, and fact you Republicans gloss over. Yeah that some profitteering there.

Quote[/b] ]but in rejecting the ideal of defending the cause of freedom.

Jesus christ. I don't even know how you managed to write such bullshit while not cracking up. You embarress yourself with such crap so please spare us.

Yeah he's a communist!

Ridiculous.

Quote[/b] ]But the principle strategy remains absolutely clear - defend the cause of Human Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness at whatever sacrifice needed - and will continue to move forward, unless America votes to turn their backs on humanity tomorrow.

*waves flag*

Gimme a fuckin' break.

Your version of "spreading freedom" is straight out of 1800s Imperialism, complete with killing the troublesome natives off.

Please explain how destroying a country, and killing its civilians to the tune of 100,000+ (thats 3300% of 9/11 fyi) spreads the cause of freedom? Please explain to us how killing the people we are supposed to be saving makes us look like heros?

I await your ill-informed response.

PS. And keep the cinimmon. Knowing you its probably more BS.