Us presidential election 2004

[billybob2002 0]

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who said it has to be the 18th century to have a duel? Saddam challenged your hero to a duel, but to nobodies surprise Bush refused (whata chickenshit btw) go on and challenge all the duels, we can hold it at my house. i even have 2 black powder revolvers for the duelest's to use. we can do it 10 paces apart or a quick draw at high noon. or maybe some unorthadox methoods, i have some chainsaws, we can have a American style joust where two duelests ride ontop of my tractors and go at it w/ chainsaws. if the chainsaws are a little to messy i also have sledge hammers, wood spliters, axes, knives, i even have a Scottish Claymore made in Pakistan.... though i would highly recomend the black powder revolver instead

Like any western leader would. I do not want to break the law and be charged with a crime....

[red oct 2]

Like any western leader would. I do not want to break the law and be charged with a crime....

Awww come on man!!! Its only illeagle if you get caught and i won't tell anybody. you have any idea how Boring it is over here?!! i haven't seen a good 1v1 fight since high school and i missed one last week between two guys i worked w/.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Awww come on man!!! Its only illeagle if you get caught and i won't tell anybody.  you have any idea how Boring it is over here?!! i haven't seen a good 1v1 fight since high school and i missed one last week between two guys i worked w/.

I won't tell anybody!?!?!? I won't tell anybody that a duel has happen... Make a time machine and maybe...

[Akira 0]

If this was the 18th century, I would challenge people on this forum to a duel for insulting me.

You fuckin' Zell Miller now?

[walker 0]

Hi all

Now a the wife of a Bush family confident says George Bush Junior Never did any National Guard Duty in Alabama.

Quote[/b] ]The widow of a Bush family confidant says her husband gave the future president an Alabama Senate campaign job as a favor to his worried father. Did they see him do any National Guard service? "Good lord, no."

My use of bold

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/02/allison/index_np.html

Quote[/b] ]Sept. 2, 2004 | NEW YORK -- Before there was Karl Rove, Lee Atwater or even James Baker, the Bush family's political guru was a gregarious newspaper owner and campaign consultant from Midland, Texas, named Jimmy Allison. In the spring of 1972, George H.W. Bush phoned his friend and asked a favor: Could Allison find a place on the Senate campaign he was managing in Alabama for his troublesome eldest son, the 25-year-old George W. Bush?

"The impression I had was that Georgie was raising a lot of hell in Houston, getting in trouble and embarrassing the family, and they just really wanted to get him out of Houston and under Jimmy's wing," Allison's widow, Linda, told me. "And Jimmy said, 'Sure.' He was so loyal."

Linda Allison's story, never before published, contradicts the Bush campaign's assertion that George W. Bush transferred from the Texas Air National Guard to the Alabama National Guard in 1972 because he received an irresistible offer to gain high-level experience on the campaign of Bush family friend Winton "Red" Blount. In fact, according to what Allison says her late husband told her, the younger Bush had become a political liability for his father, who was then the United States ambassador to the United Nations, and the family wanted him out of Texas. "I think they wanted someone they trusted to keep an eye on him," Linda Allison said.

So as well as being the family black sheep George Bush Junior was busy trying not only to dodge the Vietnam War but he was even sneaking his way out of Serving his Nation in any way. While his contemporaries without the big corporate money of the Bush family were dieing in the jungles of Vietnam the cowardly George Bush Junior was AWOL.

Kind Regards Walker

[bn880 5]

Anyway, the stage seems set for Bush to remain in office, like I have been "feeling" for a long while now. It will be extremely close in the days leading up to the election, and then one or more of the following will happen:

Cheated counting of votes (or lack of ocunting selected ones).

Capture of Osama a few days before the election, not earleir as then people will be able to discuss and realize it means *shit* and that Bush lies about even that in the past.

Any of the above can swing it into Bushs hands. Fueled by the constant fear the republicans create for average Americans.

So let us watch and see, are we going to start betting? I hope to fu***ng hell that Bush wins, so that the ~50% of asswipes(pardon the French) voting for him are well represented to the world.

[IceFire 0]

hope to fu***ng hell that Bush wins, so that the ~50% of asswipes(pardon the French) voting for him are well represented to the world.  

What is this supposed to mean??

[bn880 5]

I hope that people who support Bush at this stage are clearly represented to the world so that the states can start it's wonderfull spiral down to the shithole bush leads it to.

[IceFire 0]

No, you have it all wrong. With Bush in for a second term, he can do all the things he could never do before. He finally has the chance to finish the job. I know he has the audacity and willingness to do what needs to be done. With a final term, he will have full freedom in to pursue all matters that need dealt with before his term is over.

Those terrorists in the Middle East better watch out, cause the past few years are only the beginning in the President's new term.

[Schoeler 0]

Quote[/b] ]I call him friend. I know him for quite a while.

I know what he has written.

But who are you billybob to tell me what I had to do or not ?

I don´t call you a friend.

Denoir needs noone to run for his defense. I´m just disgusted how low some people can be. To be continued...

I find you a hypocrite then. You know Denior does not have no proof that I'm a racist and he tries to go personal. Now, that is really low. I forgot he is your friend.

If this was the 18th century, I would challenge people on this forum to a duel for insulting me.

That's funny, because you've run away from every duel I've challenged you to.

[bn880 5]

No, you have it all wrong. With Bush in for a second term, he can do all the things he could never do before. He finally has the chance to finish the job. I know he has the audacity and willingness to do what needs to be done. With a final term, he will have full freedom in to pursue all matters that need dealt with before his term is over.

Those terrorists in the Middle East better watch out, cause the past few years are only the beginning in the President's new term.

Well you know, you have your opinion and I have mine. This is not going to end in the next four years though, that's the partly a problem with waging such wars.

[IceFire 0]

Quote[/b] ]I call him friend. I know him for quite a while.

I know what he has written.

But who are you billybob to tell me what I had to do or not ?

I don´t call you a friend.

Denoir needs noone to run for his defense. I´m just disgusted how low some people can be. To be continued...

I find you a hypocrite then. You know Denior does not have no proof that I'm a racist and he tries to go personal. Now, that is really low. I forgot he is your friend.

If this was the 18th century, I would challenge people on this forum to a duel for insulting me.

That's funny, because you've run away from every duel I've challenged you to.

I say we have an OPF duel. In game, SNIPER MATCH!

Who's up?

[Schoeler 0]

No, you have it all wrong. With Bush in for a second term, he can do all the things he could never do before. He finally has the chance to finish the job. I know he has the audacity and willingness to do what needs to be done. With a final term, he will have full freedom in to pursue all matters that need dealt with before his term is over.

Those terrorists in the Middle East better watch out, cause the past few years are only the beginning in the President's new term.

What exactly has been holding him back? He has a republican Congress and a conservative Court. So far he's managed to completely fuck the country up and split it in half to the point where revolution is now a hell of a lot more than just talk. Now you eagerly await a Bush with even less restrictions?

[Akira 0]

No, you have it all wrong. With Bush in for a second term, he can do all the things he could never do before. He finally has the chance to finish the job. I know he has the audacity and willingness to do what needs to be done. With a final term, he will have full freedom in to pursue all matters that need dealt with before his term is over.

Those terrorists in the Middle East better watch out, cause the past few years are only the beginning in the President's new term.

I guess you conveniently missed the quote were Bush says he doubts the "War On Terror" is winnable.

[Bernadotte 0]

Now a the wife of a Bush family confident says George Bush Junior Never did any National Guard Duty in Alabama.

Quote[/b] ]The widow of a Bush family confidant says her husband gave the future president an Alabama Senate campaign job as a favor to his worried father. Did they see him do any National Guard service? "Good lord, no."

My use of bold

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/02/allison/index_np.html

The Guardian published a single-page version of the Salon story that doesn't require jumping through subscription hoops.  

[IceFire 0]

No, I didn't hear him say that, but I have been busy in the past few days.

And I believe the War on Terrorism IS winnable.

[blackdog~ 0]

No, you have it all wrong. With Bush in for a second term, he can do all the things he could never do before. He finally has the chance to finish the job. I know he has the audacity and willingness to do what needs to be done. With a final term, he will have full freedom in to pursue all matters that need dealt with before his term is over.

Those terrorists in the Middle East better watch out, cause the past few years are only the beginning in the President's new term.

What exactly has been holding him back?  He has a republican Congress and a conservative Court.  So far he's managed to completely fuck the country up and split it in half to the point where revolution is now a hell of a lot more than just talk.  Now you eagerly await a Bush with even less restrictions?

The nation was split in half before he was in office too.

Ever bother looking at poll results?

[Bernadotte 0]

And I believe the War on Terrorism IS winnable.

Oh really?

And how would you describe the last day of the war?

At what point are you able to declare that the enemy has surrendered?

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]That's funny, because you've run away from every duel I've challenged you to.

That is not the truth...

Quote[/b] ]I guess you conveniently missed the quote were Bush says he doubts the "War On Terror" is winnable.

That part of the interview is weird....

From page 140:

Quote[/b] ]President Bush: “I don't think you can win it. But I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world –- let's put it that way. I have a two pronged strategy. On the one hand is to find them before they hurt us, and that's necessary. I’m telling you it's necessary. The country must never yield, must never show weakness [and] must continue to lead. To find al-Qaida affiliates who are hiding around the world and … harm us and bring ‘em to justice –- we're doing a good job of it. I mean we are dismantling the al-Qaidaas we knew it. The long-term strategy is to spread freedom and liberty, and that's really kind of an interesting debate. You know there's some who say well, ‘You know certain people can't self govern and accept, you know, a former democracy.’ I just strongly disagree with that. I believe that democracy can take hold in parts of the world that are now non-democratic and I think it's necessary in order to defeat the ideologies of hate. History has shown that it can work, that spreading liberty does work. After all, Japan is our close ally and my dad fought against the Japanese. Prime Minister Koizumi, is one of the closest collaborators I have in working to make the world a more peaceful place.â€

Do not make me call Miller!!!

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]Prime Minister Koizumi, is one of the closest collaborators I have in working to make the world a more peaceful place.

Interesting choice of words there I would say.

Also Koizumi is not really very popular right now for sending troops.

[theavonlady 2]

Now a the wife of a Bush family confident says George Bush Junior Never did any National Guard Duty in Alabama.

Quote[/b] ]The widow of a Bush family confidant says her husband gave the future president an Alabama Senate campaign job as a favor to his worried father. Did they see him do any National Guard service? "Good lord, no."

My use of bold

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/02/allison/index_np.html

The Guardian published a single-page version of the Salon story that doesn't require jumping through subscription hoops.  

Not a bad pilot!

Quote[/b] ]Lawsuit Uncovers New Bush Guard Records

1 hour, 59 minutes ago

By MATT KELLEY, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) ranked in the middle of his Air National Guard flight class and flew 336 hours in a fighter jet before letting his pilot status lapse and missing a key readiness drill in 1972, according to his flight records belatedly uncovered Tuesday under the Freedom of Information Act.

The Pentagon (news - web sites) and Bush's campaign have claimed for months that all records detailing his fighter pilot career have been made public, but defense officials said they found two dozen new records detailing his training and flight logs after The Associated Press filed a lawsuit and submitted new requests under the public records law.

"Previous requests from other requesters for President Bush's Individual Flight Records did not lead to the discovery of these records because at the time President Bush left the service, flight records were subject to retention for only 24 months and we understood that neither the Air Force nor the Texas Air National Guard retained such records thereafter," the Pentagon told the AP.

"Out of an abundance of caution," the government "searched a file that had been preserved in spite of this policy" and found the Bush records, the letter said. "The Department of Defense (news - web sites) regrets this oversight during the previous search efforts."

Bush's Vietnam-era service in the Texas Air National Guard has become an issue in the presidential campaign as the candidates spar over who would make the best commander in chief. Supporters of Democratic nominee John Kerry (news - web sites), a decorated Vietnam combat veteran, have criticized Bush for serving stateside in the National Guard. Kerry's Republican critics claim Kerry did not deserve some of his five medals.

Bush has repeatedly said he is proud of his Air National Guard service. White House spokesmen said as late as last week the administration knew of no other records of Bush's military service.

"These documents confirm that the president served honorably in the National Guard," White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan said Tuesday night.

Democratic National Committee (news - web sites) communications director Jano Cabrera disagreed. "For months George Bush (news - web sites) told the nation that all his military records were public," he said. "Now we know why Bush was trying so hard to withhold these records. When his nation asked him to be on call against possible surprise attacks, Bush wasn't there."

The newly released records show Bush, a lieutenant in the Texas Air National Guard, ranked No. 22 in a class of 53 pilots when he finished his flight training at Moody Air Force Base in Georgia in 1969.

Over the next three years, he logged 326.4 hours as a pilot and an additional 9.9 hours as a co-pilot, mostly in his the F-102A jet used to intercept enemy aircraft. Of the 278 hours he flew in the interceptor, about 77 hours were in the TF-102A, the two-seat trainer version of the one-seat fighter jet.

The records show his last flight was in April 1972, which is consistent with pay records indicating Bush had a large lapse of duty between April and October of that year. Bush has said he went to Alabama in 1972 to work on an unsuccessful Republican Senate campaign. Bush skipped a required medical exam that cost him his pilot's status in August of that year.

Bush's 2000 campaign suggested the future president skipped his medical exam in part because the F-102A was nearly obsolete. Records show Bush's Texas unit flew the F-102A until 1974 and used the jets as part of an air defense drill during 1972.

A six-month historical record of his 147th Fighter Interceptor Group, also turned over to the AP on Tuesday, shows some of the training Bush missed with his colleagues during that time.

Significantly, it showed the unit joined a "24-hour active alert mission to safeguard against surprise attack" in the southern United State beginning on Oct. 6, 1972, a time when Bush did not report for duty, according to his pay records.

Bush's lone service in October was outside Texas, presumably with an Alabama unit he had permission to train with in September, October and November 1972.

As part of the mission, the 147th kept two F-102a jets — the same Bush flew before he was grounded — on ready alert to be launched within five minutes' warning.

The records also show Bush made a grade of 88 on total airmanship and a perfect 100 for flying without navigational instruments, operating a T-38 System and studying applied aerodynamics. Other scores ranged from 89 in flight planning to 98 in aviation physiology.

The newly released records do not include any from five categories of documents Bush's commanders had been required to keep in response to the gaps in Bush's training in 1972 and 1973. For example, National Guard commanders were required to perform an investigation whenever any pilot skipped a medical exam and forward the results up the Air Force chain of command. No such documents have surfaced.

[Bernadotte 0]

Blackdog's signature would have shown this: ...if he hadn't changed it.

Now his signature only says:

Quote[/b] ]That's it! Politics suck! My political signature is gone, and I just wanna talk about OFP.

 LOL

[theavonlady 2]

Blackdog's signature would have shown this: ...if he hadn't changed it.

Now his signature only says:

Quote[/b] ]That's it! Politics suck! My political signature is gone, and I just wanna talk about OFP.

 LOL

You could always adopt it for your own sig.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]What exactly has been holding him back? He has a republican Congress and a conservative Court. So far he's managed to completely fuck the country up and split it in half to the point where revolution is now a hell of a lot more than just talk. Now you eagerly await a Bush with even less restrictions?

Are you dick's other half? Revolution!?! Injecting fear in to the people is the way to go.

I do think people on both side are blowing the certain issues completely out the water. Bush cannot "create jobs", the private sector does. The deficit is not the economy. The economy is actually preventing the deficit from being worse than what it seems. People are trying to solely place the blame Bush on the deficit. It is bad but... It is the fault of both sides of the aisle that there is a deficit. People like to point to Bush for the deficit however many senators and many congressmen are not during shit about it and only care spending themselves. John Kerry will not do shit to take care of the deficit because he is to afraid to cut funding for things because he is afraid of going to lose some votes. He wants massive funding for his programs and that tax cut take back is not going to do it. Bush is included too (maybe). John Kerry nor Bush will probably not raise taxes to fix the problems. That leaves one thing....inflation. In less than decade, baby boomers are going to be retiring and unless shit changes the nation is highly fucked. Unless, there is an major audit of the federal govt. and balancing of the budget for years straight (and etc.). So, kiddies, Kerry is no worse than Bush. Maybe, Bush will start cutting or Kerry would if president to prevent this crap from happening. I love the risk of electing somebody... I love this game!!!! I'm just a newbie!!!

[Bernadotte 0]

Bush cannot "create jobs", the private sector does.

Then perhaps you should have a look at how many jobs the private sector created under different presidents: