Us presidential election 2004

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Dean was actually a pretty good canidate. But now NORMAL (not hardcore liberals that actually go to the caucuses) democrats have no where to go! I have found this over and over again from democrats I know that they have no where to go with Kerry... because they hate Bush AND Kerry...

I'm confused. I thought the hardcore liberals loved Dean..

[bn880 5]

People do _hate_ bush, not just dislike, and for obvious reasons.

I do praise Moores' movie, I think it's a great response to the BS the media has been churning out for years on behalf of TBA. He is using the same tool to show the other side of things. AFAIK Moores' official statememnt is not that it's his version of the facts, but that it's his view of the facts.

[Schoeler 0]

I don't know what we're going to do if we elect Kerry. If he gets elected, guns will be banned by the end of his term... which keeps away our second amendmant right to overthrow him :]

THIS is about the MOST ridiculuous statement I've seen in this thread.

Guns will be banned?  How does that happen without a Constitutional Convention blackdog?

You have the 2nd Amendment, guns can't be banned, no federal law can supercede the Constitution.  Please try harder not to sound that ignorant.

Besides, Kerry is a hunter and gun owner.  I highly doubt he would be the man to try and get rid of our guns.

Quit buying the bullshit that is being spoonfed to you by desperate Bush supporters starting to fear they may actually lose this one.

Show me one iota of evidence Kerry is anti-gun, or I will write you off as a robot spouting the lines the party scripted for him because he lacks the intellect to actually find things out for himself.

[USSoldier11B 0]

Bush 2004, that's all I have to add to this discussion.

oh, and save the whales, eat Michael Moore.

[Rishon 0]

I don't know what we're going to do if we elect Kerry. If he gets elected, guns will be banned by the end of his term... which keeps away our second amendmant right to overthrow him :]

THIS is about the MOST ridiculuous statement I've seen in this thread.

Guns will be banned? How does that happen without a Constitutional Convention blackdog?

You have the 2nd Amendment, guns can't be banned, no federal law can supercede the Constitution. Please try harder not to sound that ignorant.

Besides, Kerry is a hunter and gun owner. I highly doubt he would be the man to try and get rid of our guns.

Quit buying the bullshit that is being spoonfed to you by desperate Bush supporters starting to fear they may actually lose this one.

Show me one iota of evidence Kerry is anti-gun, or I will write you off as a robot spouting the lines the party scripted for him because he lacks the intellect to actually find things out for himself.

I don't support John Kerry one bit, I think he has no standpoint on anything, he slips around alot. Like Bush on Saturday Night Live. "Can't do this, but, not gonna do that. Slip-Slidin'". I'm definately going to vote for Bush, mainly because he is a very Affirmative Action type of guy, doesn't let things blow over, Takes the fight to em'. The only reason people will elect Kerry is because of Iraq. Wars happen, Deal with it, I've got a Bro over there, (He's coming back for leave soon though). Yet, I'm still voting for Bush, because he doesn't care what everyone else thinks. Kerry does.

[walker 0]

I'm definately going to vote for Bush, mainly because he is a very Affirmative Action type of guy, doesn't let things blow over, Takes the fight to  em'. The only reason people will elect Kerry is because of Iraq. Wars happen, Deal with it, I've got a Bro over there, (He's coming back for leave soon though). Yet, I'm still voting for Bush, because he doesn't care what everyone else thinks. Kerry does.

Hi Rishon

Mr bush is the weakest president the US has ever had bar none.

George Bush Jnr. freezes when important decisions have to be made

When his nation was attacked did he call a cabinet meeting or command his nations armed forces to its defense? No; he sat there like a rabbit in the head lights with a frozen look of terror on his face reading a book about goats that was upside down for the next 20 minutes.

34 for minutes to decide to act when it should have taken 10

Those are the facts they are on film. The attack on the Pentagon at least could have been defended against as it did not take place for another 34 minutes after the second plane hit the twin towers.

The responce time to an attack on US soil by air is 10 minutes. In all past cases of hijacking that is what it has been. George Bush Jnr. did not act for 34 minutes. Those lives lost in the Pentagon that day can all be laid at the feet of George Bush Jnr. and Richard Myers.

Here is the simple version so you can understand.

http://www.bushflash.com/buddy.html

Fighting fantasy enemies while the real enemies grow stronger

When he has the information about who attacked the US on 9/11 and why; does he knuckle down to the laborious task of removing the terrorist threat by a capturing and killing terrorists and set in motion the means to beat them?

No; like some kid who can not be bothered to sit and learn in a class he thinks is boring he gets "Sick of swatting flies." and makes up some fantasy enemies so he can play at being the big man. He then either lies to us all or is criminally incompetent enough in his assessment of false intelligence to lead us into that war that ends up increasing the amount of terror attacks from one every six months by six fold to now at least one a month.

The costs

In the process he kills tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi's and maims and injures tens of thousands more, destroys their country's economic, logistical and social structures.

Then add in the more than 1000 coalition lives (including contractors) lost and the many thousands maimed and injured in the war on Iraq.

It ends up costing 100s of billions of tax payers dollars and all for what so he can say he is the big man at the next election.

He so enrages Arab and Muslim opinion that many young men and women who would have lead normal quiet lives are so outraged they join Al Qaida and its franchises in droves so completely loosing the war on terror.

The vilage idiot

I have left a lot out we all know the village idiot's failings they have been constant factor of his inept un-Presidency. The fact he has surrounded himself with a pack of: lying, unethical, immoral, NeoConMen amd ran his countries economy into the ground is only to be expected.

Party Drones

Still you continue with the Party line like a good little party drone. The communist tendancy of the Republican Party never ceases to amaze me. You can certainly fool party drones every time.

Shakes head Walker

[Rishon 0]

Wow, Amazing how democrats like to refer to Republicans as "Little drones". Also, SMARTASS, Like Iraq was such a nice place to begin with. Ever hear of saddam Hussein? No, you like ignoring him don't you? Yeah, well, he killed about 5,000 of his own citizens in the Anfal Campaign, He regularly tortured and killed anyone who he SUSPECTED of betraying him. you silly little Democrats.. There is a world out there we can help out, you know? But, It's not like you would want to, huh? Noooo, you enjoy sitting around watching other countries doing the work. Kerry wouldn't have done Jack Squat if he was in office instead of Bush, no he would have sat there and done what democrats do best, IGNORE THE WORLD AROUND THEM. In my Opinion, It is you who is the Party Drone, jumping on the "Bush ruined lives" Bandwagon. I was sent to war in Iraq. I got shot at. I still vote for him.

[walker 0]

Hi Rishon

I am not a democrat I dont know how many times I will have to repeat this in this and many other threads but it is clearly on the record even a few posts back I am Practical Anarchist.

If he is suposed to be such a:

very Affirmative Action type of guy"

Could you please give an answer as to why George Bush Jnr. took 34 minutes to react to the Hijackings when every other US president in history took just 10?

By the way glad to hear your safe back from Iraq I pray you and others dont have to go back for second and third terms.

Kind Regards Walker

[Rishon 0]

Hi Rishon

I am not a democrat I dont know how many times I will have to repeat this in this and many other threads but it is clearly on the record even a few posts back I am Practical Anarchist.

If he is suposed to be such a:

very Affirmative Action type of guy"

Could you please give an answer as to why George Bush Jnr. took 34 minutes to react to the Hijackings when every other US president in history took just 10?

By the way glad to hear your safe back from Iraq I pray you and others dont have to go back for second and third terms.

Kind Regards Walker

He was quite probrably in shock. I would be too, taking the kind of decision he did even 2 days after he did is alot. It takes a while to get intel, specially to see who did it. We saw around 2 hours afterwards (I had just gotten home from doing chores for my SL) and I saw the Twin Towers on the News. I immediately thought, who did this? Then I thought, Why? It takes time to answer those questions. He was possibly sitting there thinking about what he was going to do once he found out.

Also, Thank you for that, I hope we don't have to go back either.

[walker 0]

Hi Rishon

On the three occasions where I have been called upon to make emergency decision that saved peoples lives I have seen many around me with that same look of frozen terror on their faces. So I know that look well. I dont dislike somone for it I just recognise I dont want them on the other end of a climbing rope from me if it is a hard and dangerous climb.

I classify people in those cases in to two camps; those who act and those who do not.

George Bush Jnr. falls in to the class of those who do not act. They freeze in an emergency. In the case of George Bush Jnr. it is there on record on film. That frozen look of terror for 20 minutes. In fact it is an aid who eventualy gets him put down the upside down book about goats.

J. F. Kerry's War record prove he will act in an emergency.

If you realy believe in Affirmative Action guys then J. F. Kerry is your logical choice.

Kind Regards Walker

[denoir 0]

Meh, Kerry voted for the invasion of Iraq but against financing the rebuilding. He voted for the Patriot Act etc etc

With Bush at least you know what you get. Both are IMO bad alternatives, at least from an outside perspective. Domestically Kerry is probably better.

The only good candidate this election was Dean. Unfortunately he was ahead of his time. America simply isn't ready yet for such political progress. Oh, well, in 50 years or so...

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]The only good candidate this election was Dean. Unfortunately he was ahead of his time. America simply isn't ready yet for such political progress. Oh, well, in 50 years or so...

OMG, Dean would of been destroyed by Bush. The republicans were hoping that he was chosen....

Edit: he was ahead of his time by calling a section of the population, people of color....

[quicksand 0]

Quote[/b] ]Ever hear of saddam Hussein?

Ever heared of Sudan-the worst humanitarian crisis since Rwanda.Oh but they are Africans,no outcry for their suffering I guess.

Quote[/b] ]Yeah, well, he killed about 5,000 of his own citizens in the Anfal Campaign, He regularly tortured and killed anyone who he SUSPECTED of betraying him

Add tens of thousands more of Iraqis in the Shia uprising in 1991-the one started with assurances that US government will back but in the end just closed it`s eyes and let them to get sloughtered.

Quote[/b] ]But, It's not like you would want to, huh?

Noooo, you enjoy sitting around watching other countries doing the work

Pathetic retorics,you should try to polish your arguments or you risk wasting your tremendous IQ potential.

Quote[/b] ]. Kerry wouldn't have done Jack Squat if he was in office instead of Bush

Do you mean he wouldn`t have started an invasion based on false pretenses leading to tens of thousands of Iraqi  deaths,1.000 coallition life losses and to an Iraqi population that views you as occupation troops and not liberators and find attacks on soldiers just like yourself acceptable at any given moment?

One more thing,for you "doing something" is the same thing as doing the right thing?

Quote[/b] ]no he would have sat there and done what democrats do best, IGNORE THE WORLD AROUND THEM.

Writing is capslocks will not improve your rebutal arguments, once again try using a different style for the sake of avoiding making a mockery of your IQ with ignorant rants.

Quote[/b] ] No, you like ignoring him don't you?

And you know what`s worst then ignoring him?Sending a special envoy to assure good ties with him by the time when he was a reputable mad man responsable for abusing human rights against Iraqis,and using chemical weapons against his own people and Iranians.

I don`t quite remember what goverment did such a grose thing(probably democrats from you description),all I have is this picture.

Quote[/b] ]. I was sent to war in Iraq. I got shot at. I still vote for him.

Let`s take this to the Iraq thread,I am dreadfully curious why do you think TBA sent you there.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Meh, Kerry voted for the invasion of Iraq but against financing the rebuilding. He voted for the Patriot Act etc etc

With Bush at least you know what you get. Both are IMO bad alternatives, at least from an outside perspective. Domestically Kerry is probably better.

The only good candidate this election was Dean. Unfortunately he was ahead of his time. America simply isn't ready yet for such political progress. Oh, well, in 50 years or so...

Hoh Hoh Hoh. This is america Denoir, where politicians are tacticans.

Kerry voted pro invasion in order not to screw up his upcoming candidature. He didnt want to swim against the stream so early and in such an important decision.

This does in no way reflect his behaviour once he is president.

And this vote took place BEFORE the final UN hearing and therefore you cannot say that he was PRO Unilateral-WAR and AGAINST a different alternative solution from the UN.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]And you know what`s worst then ignoring him?Sending a special envoy to assure good ties with him by the time when he was a reputable mad man responsable for abusing human rights against Iraqis,and using chemical weapons against his own people and Iranians.

I don`t quite remember what goverment did such a grose thing(probably democrats from you description),all I have is this picture.

You remember this:

or:

At least they are trying to fix the problem..

Quote[/b] ]

Ever heared of Sudan-the worst humanitarian crisis since Rwanda.Oh but they are Africans,no outcry for their suffering I guess.

Powell is trying to help....I wonder how Romania is helping...

[walker 0]

Hi all

Even after 20 minutes of reading an upside down book about goats with frozen look of terror on his face it is another 14 minutes before George Bush Jnr. orders the fighters into the air.

Every other US President did it in 10 minutes.

In that amount of time Chinese nuclear weapons could lay waste to the US and the order to retaliate would never come. Without the codes and orders from the President the US could never act.

This is a dangerous man to have in charge of US defense.

Worried Walker

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Hi all

terrific!

You never missed that line in any of your posts

[bn880 5]

Quote[/b] ]The only good candidate this election was Dean. Unfortunately he was ahead of his time. America simply isn't ready yet for such political progress. Oh, well, in 50 years or so...

OMG, Dean would of been destroyed by Bush. The republicans were hoping that he was chosen....

Edit: he was ahead of his time by calling a section of the population, people of color....

I think this was Denoirs point Billy.

And technically you are right, black is not a color, scientifically.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]I think this was Denoirs point  Billy.

I thought the democrats were ahead of the times and they would chosen somebody that is like that....I guess not a lot of far-lefters in that party....

[quicksand 0]

Quote[/b] ]You remember this:

The "it`s ok others did it too" argument may have worked in kinder garden but as we venture further in life we learn that it`s actually equally wrong.

Quote[/b] ]At least they are trying to fix the problem..

Well let me be the first to say they have failed miserably and Iraqis are the ones paying for the "fixing" every day with their lives.

Quote[/b] ]I wonder how Romania is helping...

You mean Romania the worlds number one superpower with a spurling economy or the country struggling to get on track after a violent revolutin marking a desatrous road to capitalism,alarming inflation,poverty and the list could go on and on but that`s not the aim of this discussion.

And if this is what you wanted to know yes we have a considerable amount of peacekeeping troops in Kosovo and Afghanistan.

You should have learned by now that pointing fingers in other direction won`t make the failures and problems wash away.

[denoir 0]

Hoh Hoh Hoh. This is america Denoir, where politicians are tacticans.

Kerry voted pro invasion  in order not to screw up his upcoming candidature. He didnt want to swim against the stream so early and in such an important decision.

Dean voted against the war. Furthermore it doesn't explain why Kerry voted against providing funding for the war and the rebuilding.

Quote[/b] ]This does in no way reflect his behaviour once he is president.

It reflects that he's a populist.

Quote[/b] ]And this vote took place BEFORE the final UN hearing and therefore you cannot say that he was PRO Unilateral-WAR and AGAINST a different alternative solution from the UN.

That's true, but isn't that even more irresponsible? Give the authority to go to war without hearing the whole story first? And mind you that it was pretty obvious when they voted that the war was a Bush obsession and not a necessity. Check the Iraq thread that was active at the time and you'll see what we wrote here at the time they voted.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]You mean Romania the worlds number one superpower with a spurling economy or the country struggling to get on track after a violent revolutin marking a desatrous road to capitalism,alarming inflation,poverty and the list could go on and on but that`s not the aim of this discussion.

You wrote:

Quote[/b] ]Ever heared of Sudan-the worst humanitarian crisis since Rwanda.Oh but they are Africans,no outcry for their suffering I guess.

Powell (remember he repsents the US) is trying....were is the outcry from Romania about the africans...

Quote[/b] ]

The "it`s ok others did it too" argument may have worked in kinder garden but as we venture further in life we learn that it`s actually equally wrong.

That is why pencils have erasers. I'm not saying "it's ok others did it too" but you make it seem that the US was the only country in the world that supported Saddam during the 80s.

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Dean voted against the war. Furthermore it doesn't explain why Kerry voted against providing funding for the war and the rebuilding.

Dean does not have a vote but a opinion ( ). Kerry is pandering in overdrive.

PHL 101 here I come...

[denoir 0]

Quote[/b] ]Dean voted against the war. Furthermore it doesn't explain why Kerry voted against providing funding for the war and the rebuilding.

Dean does not have a vote but a opinion ( ). Kerry is pandering in overdrive.

Right, he was (is?) a governor..

[quicksand 0]

Quote[/b] ]were is the outcry from Romania about the africans...

Knowing you are most likely unfamilliar with the situation in Romania I shall explain it again.

As I said before a large part of the population is still struggling for ends meat,so unfortunatly internal issues as grave as the ones my country is passing through get the priority just as in other countries in similar circumstances.

Rest assured if there will be a UN mandate for a peace keaping operation in Sudan my country would immidiatly join( as it did before)and as wonderful as it might be we don`t have the final word on it.

Quote[/b] ]US council presuring Khartoum to act on Darfur crisis

Council President Mihnea Motoc of Romania said that the council "called for sustained pressure on the government of Sudan ... to promote progress and find a solution to the humanitarian situation. Further action would depend very much on the action the government in Khartoum is showing in the commitments it has entered into."

It`s good to know you are intrested in my country foreign policies even if for doubtful intentions.

(I intentinally omited to continue the subject about US government resolve in Sudan as it`s best left for another thread)