The Iraq thread 3

[quicksand 0]

Those were innocent famillies that got killed.I feel extremly sick right now after visiting an arab site(I am not gonna post here because the images are very disturbing) that have pictures of the carnage.Tell me 3 years old children can fire AK`s?

[Colossus 2]

This kid is surely brain washed by the grownups in Iraq.

I mean, I couldnt be so mad to holding a gun and join a rebell force.

When a friendly force is trying to make Iraq more secure and

liberal for the Iraq people.

[quicksand 0]

Quote[/b] ]This kid is surely brain washed by the grownups in Iraq

Is that really so?Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe this young boy has seen his entire familly got sloughtered by US soldiers as in many other cases.You know nothing about this kid so if I were you I would refrain myself from making comments using words such as "surely"

Quote[/b] ]When a friendly force is trying to make Iraq more secure and

liberal for the Iraq people.

Friendly force?Iraq more secure?I am beginning to ask myself who is the one who`s brainwashed..

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Quote[/b] ]I am beginning to ask myself who is the one who`s brainwashed

I dont think it is brainwashing but the good old problem of "I dont understand, why does nobody see the truth as I do?".

Raising CIA level to 4! If Bals news turn out to be confirmed

[Bernadotte 0]

Quote[/b] ]When a friendly force is trying to make Iraq more secure and liberal for the Iraq people.

Friendly force? Iraq more secure? I am beginning to ask myself who is the one who`s brainwashed..

Exactly.  

[Colossus 2]

Quote[/b] ]This kid is surely brain washed by the grownups in Iraq

Is that really so?Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe this young boy has seen his entire familly got sloughtered by US soldiers as in many other cases.You know nothing about this kid so if I were you I would refrain myself from making comments using words such as "surely"

Quote[/b] ]When a friendly force is trying to make Iraq more secure and

liberal for the Iraq people.

Friendly force?Iraq more secure?I am beginning to ask myself who is the one who`s brainwashed..

Easy now, I was just making a statement. And I don't think

that the familiy is killed, if he or she got killed it was for a reason. Maybe they started to shoot on them, we never

know that.

I can agree that the Iraq war was wrong and that Bush is a

total idiot. But I think it's wrong anyway to let a kid starts his

life by killing others. We have all heard about childeren in

Africa that is joining a war, many have problems when they have grownup.

I think here in Norway 3-6 forigen men have killed someone

here in Norway after been in war as a child,

and many more have mental problems.

(Sorry my english)

[walker 0]

What weapon is that in the first picture. The one on the ground is RPG-7 but what is that militant carrying?

Hi all

It looks a bit like an old fashioned M20 WWII vintage bazooka

Maybe a local or Chinese copy?

The barrel looks bent If he fired it he probably died.

Kind Regards Walker

[walker 0]

Hi all

Child soldiers is always bad. No if buts or maybes.

Lots of evil guys do it to children they are in the same catagory as child molestors of any kind. They exist all over the world. Africa has 100,000s of them possibly millions and they suffer the consequences of it but even the US is not immune I have seen plenty films of NRA members doing such child molesting too.

Anyone who has seen the Oscar winning documentry Bowling For Columbine knows what activities such pederasts get up to even in suposedly civilised nations.

Kind Regards Walker

[quicksand 0]

Masacre at Mosque

Quote[/b] ]FALLUJAH, Iraq - U.S. Marines in a fierce battle for this Sunni Muslim stronghold fired rockets that hit a mosque filled with people Wednesday, and witnesses said as many as 40 people were killed.

An Associated Press reporter in Fallujah saw cars ferrying the bodies from the mosque, which witnesses said had been hit by three missiles. There was no immediate confirmation of casualties.

I will try to keep my anger away and point just one thing.In this damned war Iraqi famillies seaking shelter and protection have found it in mosques thinking it`s sanctity will keep it safe from attacks.

Just imagine how many civilians were in the mosque at a time when the whole city was under siege.This is pure carnage  

[Balschoiw 0]

Things get more than rolling:

Sadr aide says Iraqis capture coalition soldiers

Quote[/b] ]BEIRUT, April 7 (Reuters) - A top aide to the militant Iraqi cleric Moqtada al-Sadr said on Wednesday that his supporters had captured a number of soldiers from the U.S.-led coalition during clashes currently taking place across a large swathe of Iraq.

"Some tribes have captured some occupation forces on the streets," Qays al-Khazali told a news conference in the Shi'ite Muslim holy city of Najaf.

He gave no further details. The news conference was broadcast by Lebanon's al-Manar television station, mouthpiece of the Hizbollah group.

There was no immediate comment on the report from the command of U.S.-led forces in Baghdad.

Meanwhile US forces have bombed a Mosque in Falluja. At least 40 people inside the complex were killed.

Ukrainian forces have retreated from Kut. They formerly controlled this town. Now Shia militia has taken over control.

Events today:

-Battles are spreading all over the country.

-Shia militia have several towns in the south under their control.

-Kut and Kufa are under control of El- Mahdi militia.

- Falluja is under heavy fire from AC-130´s and MBT´s

Bombing a Mosque is extremely stupid. You will see what that leads to.

Albert have an eye on your threat-o-meter  

Edit:

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Quote[/b] ]Easy now, I was just making a statement. And I don't think

that the familiy is killed, if he or she got killed it was for a reason.

Do you actually have an idea how many INNOCENT people got killed during the coalition war down there ?

Assume a number higher than 10.000. US officials don´t give out numbers. They know why.

It doesn´t matter what you think. Let´s talk in numbers and facts.

[denoir 0]

Masacre at Mosque

More on that:

US air strike hits Falluja mosque

Not so good. "Fortunately" for the US it was a Sunni mosque. Had it been Shia then it would have been the end of the occupation.

Anyway, things are looking worse by the day. The irony of it is that it could actually help Iraq on the long run by uniting the Shias and the Sunnis against a common enemy. Or it will break down into a complete civil war Å• la Lebanon.

Either way if things do not calm down soon, the coallition is completely screwed and can start packing its bags.

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]the coallition is completely screwed and can start packing its bags

Some already do that.

Quote[/b] ]Ukrainian forces have retreated from Kut. They formerly controlled this town. Now Shia militia has taken over control.

[Veovis 0]

OK seriously... do you honestly think US soldiers purposely kill civilians? Let alone, 10,000 of them? I highly doubt that the number is over 1,000, and even that is probably vastly overestimating the number. The US army is not a trained civilian murder force, and right now, they're fighting off militants. Was Bush a moron for starting this war? Yes. Is that completely irrevelant now? Yes. We can't change that now. The fact is that if we immediately pulled out of Iraq, the whole country would go to shit. (more so than right now)

[quicksand 0]

It`s ok,now we have a valid explanation

Quote[/b] ]"We wanted to kill the people inside," said Lieutenant Colonel Brennan Byrne.

Article

@Veovius I guess you never visited this site.

[WhoCares 0]

OK seriously... do you honestly think US soldiers purposely kill civilians? Let alone, 10,000 of them? I highly doubt that the number is over 1,000, and even that is probably vastly overestimating the number. The US army is not a trained civilian murder force, and right now, they're fighting off militants. Was Bush a moron for starting this war? Yes. Is that completely irrevelant now? Yes. We can't change that now. The fact is that if we immediately pulled out of Iraq, the whole country would go to shit. (more so than right now)

Iraq Casualties

Check the last paragraph about iraqi casualties.

Quote[/b] ]On 20 October 2003 the Project on Defense Alternatives estimated that between 10,800 and 15,100 Iraqis were killed in the war. Of these, between 3,200 and 4,300 were noncombatants -- that is: civilians who did not take up arms.

On 12 November 2003 the British Medact [an affiliate of the nonprofit International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War] estimated total Iraqi casualties from the war could range from 21,700 to 55,000. This study placed Iraqi military casualties at somewhere between 13,500 and 45,000. As of the same date, the IraqBodyCount.net estimated total Iraqi deaths as a range of between 7,840 and 9,668, derived from thousands of media reports from Iraq.

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]As many as 10,000 non-combatant civilian deaths during 2003 have been reliably reported so far as a result of the US/UK-led invasion and occupation of Iraq . These reports provide figures which range between a minimum of 8,235 and a maximum of 10,079 as of Saturday 7th February 2004.

IBC's experience of data-gathering throughout the preceding year shows that reports of additional deaths often continue to emerge many months after the event. Many civilian deaths are almost certainly, as yet, unreported, and even the current IBC maximum cannot be considered to approach a complete and final toll of innocent deaths during 2003.

This maximum figure of reported civilian deaths, derived from reports filed by correspondents in the field, is therefore likely to be only a transitory milestone in the catalogue of tragedies endured by Iraqis as a direct result of the US/UK invasion and subsequent military occupation. Iraq Body Count calls for the immediate establishment of an independent international tribunal to establish the circumstances of as many civilian deaths as possible, and to determine an appropriate and just level of compensation for the victims of US/UK aggression and negligence.

Pushing the total past the 10,000 mark were recent reports of Iraqi policemen killed since Saddam's fall in April. It is unsurprising that, as the CPA and occupying forces bunker themselves behind concrete fortresses, their most exposed and least well-protected front-line defence, members of the "new" Iraqi civil defence and police forces, have suffered disproportionately. Once again it is Iraqis who are paying the heaviest price for the occupation, just as they paid the major human cost of the war.

Of the maximum total recorded on the IBC web site today of 10,079, a maximum of 7,356 were deaths in the invasion phase up to and including May 1 st, the day on which President Bush declared "major combat" over. The remaining deaths have occurred under the occupation, with the largest proportion of these derived from records held by the Baghdad morgue up to the end of September.

Irakbodycount

BTW I just watched some Al Djazeera streams from Falluja.

It´s a horrible scenario there right now.

[Veovis 0]

Hmm. I stand corrected. I'm just upset that so many people are making the U.S. soldiers out to be blood-thirsty demons that delight in murdering civilians. (I'm not saying there aren't a few messed up souls within the army, but the majority)

[Bernadotte 0]

The fact is that if we immediately pulled out of Iraq, the whole country would go to shit. (more so than right now)

Fact? Really? What is the basis or source of this fact?

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]I'm just upset that so many people are making the U.S. soldiers out to be blood-thirsty demons

Noone does that here. We are not blaming the soldiers.

We are blaming the ones who give the orders.

If some stupid general thinks he can bomb the will out of a country he´s extremely wrong. That is proven now.

To uphold a status that has never been achieved (security, freedom, democracy) is political. People in Iraq die because the leader of the "free world" decided so. He´s the one to blame. He and his incompetent TBA. They didn´t have a plan for the post-war era. That´s why Iraq goes nuts right now.

Not that he hasn´t been warned, but hey, "we give a f**** about Iraq and it´s people or their will". That´s what it looks like and that´s what it is.

[WhoCares 0]

updated more accurate english link below

[quicksand 0]

Blackhawk Down (link in german) - okay, prob. not a Blackhawk, but apparently a Chopper was shot down and exploded in Bakuba.

The same site is reporting 10 US soldiers bodies lying on the streets in Fallujah.

[WhoCares 0]

A summarizing report of the recent incidents: AP Report

Including the downed Chopper, a OH58 Kiowa, nobody injured, no explosion.

[bn880 5]

OK seriously... do you honestly think US soldiers purposely kill civilians? Let alone, 10,000 of them? I highly doubt that the number is over 1,000, and even that is probably vastly overestimating the number. The US army is not a trained civilian murder force, and right now, they're fighting off militants. Was Bush a moron for starting this war? Yes. Is that completely irrevelant now? Yes. We can't change that now. The fact is that if we immediately pulled out of Iraq, the whole country would go to shit. (more so than right now)

We know already at time some purposly kill civilians in protests where someone opens fire and they let it rip. Otherwise it's collateral damage or just a nutcase. You have the main problem of "who is my enemy" and after a while they can't decide and open fire after losing control of a crowd. ???Isn't this common knowledge...

[MLF 0]

It`s ok,now we have a valid explanation

Quote[/b] ]"We wanted to kill the people inside," said Lieutenant Colonel Brennan Byrne.

Article

hey way to go missing out the fact that the mosque was holding insurgents in it and the fact they where firing on coalition troops, tbh if you hide in a mosque that have rebels firing at US marines and that building is blown up, its your own fault.

[quicksand 0]

That`s one side of the picture.On the other side news agencies are reporting the attack occurred when worshipers had gathered for afternoon prayers.It`s also becoming painfully clear that most of the casualties were civillians as in other coalition attacks in Fallujah.

This brings me to my question.Was there such an imminent danger coming from the mosque that required the powerfull attack on a holy shrine that caused so many civillians casualties?

Also you have to realise that in Fallujah it`s practically impossible to stay in places where there are no insurgents as the whole city is rebel.So it`s US job to avoid civillian losses.