Bell 412 close to finished

[Dauragon 0]

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Will there be only a green / woodland camo?

I like the Grey Camo from the US Navy...  

You want us to make a U.S Navy grey version Griffon because you like grey?

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Would you release a grey Version?

hablo ingles ?

[panzergrenadier3 39]

The Griffon is a huey too! Anyway, a grey version would be nice.

[da_ofp_man 0]

Hey CanadianTerror so whats with the status of Griffon is it long till release of this good heli???

[CanadianTerror 0]

Powerslide is the one behind it. I'm just doing the pilot

From what I have seen, it's down the home stretch and it's looking good.

[Powerslide 0]

The Griffon is a huey too! Anyway, a grey version would be nice.

The Griffon is not a Huey. I don't know where you get your information but you should research this further. The main body is "somewhat" similar, other then that it has nothing to do with a Huey. And no, there will be no grey version, I apologize. Once again if anyone wants to take it and retex it go ahead, just change the cpp so it doesn't conflict.

[DracoPaladore 0]

What's after the Bell? Any release date for the Diameco's?

I just can't wait to fly these guys. Are they scripted to do repelling? What kind of guns are going to be on the gunship?

[AntonVonE 0]

The C6 will be on the Griffon, as it is the standard machine gun for all CF helicopters.

Anton

[DracoPaladore 0]

Why does the CAF use the C6 instead of the C9? Calibre?

[TheMarshal=TOB= 0]

The Griffon is a huey too! Anyway, a grey version would be nice.

The Griffon is not a Huey. I don't know where you get your information but you should research this further. The main body is "somewhat" similar, other then that it has nothing to do with a Huey. And no, there will be no grey version, I apologize. Once again if anyone wants to take it and retex it go ahead, just change the cpp so it doesn't conflict.

The Griffen IS the next in line to take the place of the USMC UH-1N and will be given the UH-1 status once put into the Marine Corps Fleet along with the name..."Huey" ...so yes the Griffen is a Huey...the newest model on the market.

The Griffen was designed directly off the UH-1N to upgrade it's speed and lift capabilities. This is why the added better rotor head and use of four main rotor blades instead of two. This aircraft is nothing more then an upgraded version of the UH-1N and was developed specificly for that purpose. It will be deployed for use the same time the AH-1Z Super Cobra is released to the USMC Fleet. Which has had similar improvments and mods done to it, but it still makes it a super cobra 

[Gazoo 0]

Saying the Bell 412 is and upgrade of the 204 or the 205 is about the most absurd thing I've ever heard of.

The 204 and 205 while they may "look" similar is a 2 bladed, semi-rigid rotor, single engined helicopter. As a matter of fact can you even tell a 204 from a 205 or are they all just a huey to you?

The 412 is a 4 bladed rigid rotor system, twin engine helicopter.

The fuselage is diffrent, the engines, and transmissions are diffrent. The aircraft proformance, handling, flight carachteristics, equiptment, capabilities, GTOW, External load.

UH is a Utitility designation for a helicopter. Stop letting the militarys terminology confuse you. The Bell 412 has more in common with the British Lynx than with any of the 204/205 models.

Please stop calling a 412 a huey.

[TheMarshal=TOB= 0]

Saying the Bell 412 is and upgrade of the 204 or the 205 is about the most absurd thing I've ever heard of.

The 204 and 205 while they may "look" similar is a 2 bladed, semi-rigid rotor, single engined helicopter. As a matter of fact can you even tell a 204 from a 205 or are they all just a huey to you?

The 412 is a 4 bladed rigid rotor system, twin engine helicopter.

The fuselage is diffrent, the engines, and transmissions are diffrent. The aircraft proformance, handling, flight carachteristics, equiptment, capabilities, GTOW, External load.

UH is a Utitility designation for a helicopter. Stop letting the militarys terminology confuse you. The Bell 412 has more in common with the British Lynx than with any of the 204/205 models.

Please stop calling a 412 a huey.  

Gee Gazoo I didn't know I was confused with all that military terminology. I thought it was from all of the briefings and military training I get from the marine Corps on Military aircraft upgrade programs and Aricraft Sustainment.

Now I was sure that my briefing on aircraft to come within the next 2 to 3 years were the Bell 412, also called the UH-1M Huey. This was in our official brief. There may be many differences between the UH-1N and the 412, but there are many differences between the CH-53D and the CH-53E, including, but not limited to the total airframe change and the addition of a main rotor blade and another engine. Just because there are structural changes doesn't make the name different to the MILITARY who will be employing it.

To be more specific The 412 has the same engine config as the UH-1N and the same basic cockpit arangment, due to it being the test bed for the 412.

If I remember correctly the UH-1N is called the Iroquois by the company who built it, but you will never hear any Marine call it that, even know we know it's the original name. Who makes the Iroquois? Oh yeah BELL does...wow how wierd is that.

Lets look at the two pictures of this aircraft together...

UH-1N Iroquois:

Primary Function: Utility and transport helicopter

Contractor: Bell Helicopter Company

Power Plant: Two Pratt and Whitney T400-CP-400 turboshaft engines; 1,250 hp (932 kw)

Maximum Takeoff Weight: 10,500 pounds (4,762.7 kg)

Range: 286 miles (460 km)

Maximum Cruise Speed: 110 kts (203.7 km/hr)

Ceiling: 17,300 feet (5,273 meters)

Crew: Pilot, copilot, crew chief, gunner, plus 6 to 8 combat-equipped troops

Armament: 2.75-inch rocket pods, GAU-16 .50 cal. machine gun, GAU-17 7.62mm minigun or M240 7.62mm lightweight machine gun

Bell 412:

Characteristics

Weight: 11,900 lbs (Max Gross), 7400 lbs (Dry)

Power: Pratt and Whitney engine 1,800 shaft horse power

Speed: 140 knots (260 km/h)

Range: 354 NM (656 km)

Ceiling: 10,000 ft without oxygen

Crew: 2 pilots, 1 flight engineer

Passenger Capacity: 13  

The Engines ARE the same Pratt & Whitney Engines. The 412 airframe is bigger for more passenger room and the extra Main Rotor blades give it it's extra speed and Manueverability(spelling?).

I've been working on military helicopters since Feb. of 1998 I think I know what I'm talking about. I've know about this helicopter along with the AH-1Z for the past 5 years. The 412 is given it's own class due to the dramatic changes to it's construction frame, but don't let that fool you, it IS the new versio of the huey that the USMC will be using within the next few years. We are currently testing them in Yuma AZ, Edwards AFB, and Quanico VA.

[CanadianTerror 0]

Don't turn this into a pissing contest.

[TheMarshal=TOB= 0]

Not trying .... just proving a point. I know my helicopters and I don't like to see bad info get put out, this is how bad Addons are made, from poor information.

[SelectThis 0]

Saying the Bell 412 is and upgrade of the 204 or the 205 is about the most absurd thing I've ever heard of.

The 204 and 205 while they may "look" similar is a 2 bladed, semi-rigid rotor, single engined helicopter. As a matter of fact can you even tell a 204 from a 205 or are they all just a huey to you?

The 412 is a 4 bladed rigid rotor system, twin engine helicopter.

The fuselage is diffrent, the engines, and transmissions are diffrent. The aircraft proformance, handling, flight carachteristics, equiptment, capabilities, GTOW, External load.

UH is a Utitility designation for a helicopter. Stop letting the militarys terminology confuse you. The Bell 412 has more in common with the British Lynx than with any of the 204/205 models.

Please stop calling a 412 a huey.  

Bell 204 --> 205 --> 212 ---412

the 204 is the B/C chassis mostly used in Nam as gunships,

the 205 very different chassis design,

the 212 is the twin engine 205 chassis

the 412 is the 4 blade 212.

http://www.helis.com/timeline/bell.php

I think you can still call it a Huey.

SelectThis

[Powerslide 0]

Call it whatever you want if it makes you happy. Any Canadian who called it a Huey would be strung up by his sack and have his beer taken away. So carry on then...

[Powerslide 0]

Not trying .... just proving a point. I know my helicopters and I don't like to see bad info get put out, this is how bad Addons are made, from poor information.

BTW my addon is decent quality. FYI I've had a Griffon pilot from day one helping me on this. Poor information eh? Where do you live? How the fuck would you know what we call the Bell 412, certainly not a Huey, this isn't 1969 in Da Nang.

[CanadianTerror 0]

You are only getting my beer over my dead body.

[SelectThis 0]

Powerslide,

Re: Naming, true, just call it a 412 ;)

Did you find someone to help with the hiddenselections?

SelectThis

[Sigma-6 29]

Precisely, Powerslide. The Griffon (Yes, "Griffon", with an 'o'.) is about as 'Huey' as the LAV-III is 'Stryker'.

That's like calling a C-7 an M16. . . (If you'd fired both, you wouldn't do it, because it would be obvious to you that they're quite different. . .)

[Powerslide 0]

Powerslide,

Re: Naming, true, just call it a 412 ;)

Did you find someone to help with the hiddenselections?

SelectThis

Yes thank you Select This.

[Sigma-6 29]

Quote[/b] ]Why does the CAF use the C6 instead of the C9? Calibre?

Given the option of a C6 and a C9. . . which would you take if you didn't have to carry it?

[TheMarshal=TOB= 0]

Ok I wasn't going to make this a pissing contest, but when I am briefed, alone with 100 other Marines during a 2003 Weapons and Tactics Instruction (WTI Yuma AZ) By the Bell corporate members for this aircraft I'd think I'd have the right information. Your military may call it the Griffen, but the 412 was designed and built as a part of the Huey family of helicopters. So don't sit here and act like I'm some dumb 16 year old kid trying to get a rise out of you. I was just trying to give a little information to the community.

I never said the addon wasn't Top quality and I live in Hawaii Stationed at K-Bay. I work on helicopters for the Marine Corps. I've worked on the CH-53E, MH-53E, CH53D, UH-1N, and the MV-22 I think I have more experience about helicopters then most everyone in this conversation. I am one of the most highly qualified Mechanics on my base, So I think I know what I'm talking about.

Now I'm done...and sorry for trying to help.

[Powerslide 0]

Help what, by saying bad information makes bad addons? All I'm saying is you can call it what you want, but I call it the Griffon. I have never heard it referred to as a Huey, that's an American term for whatever Bells choppers were ever made I guess. Is the UH-60 a Huey? It's a utility chopper too. They don't call it a Huey though. No one said you were a kid either and I did not intend to insult you. I suppose it depends where you're from.

Edit: Once again if anyone wants to make a Huey out of this by all means retexture it and use it once it's out. I would make a grey version but I just don't have enough time.

[Sigma-6 29]

On top of that, Regardless of what a US Army private calls his Squad's Stryker, he doesn't call a CF LAV-III a Stryker, and the CF doesn't call a Stryker a LAV-III. It's a different vehicle.

You're failing to see the distinction, my friend. Nobody's trying to talk down to you, it's just that the Griffon is no more a 'Huey' than (again) a C7 is an M-16.

[CanadianTerror 0]

Quote[/b] ]it's just that the Griffon is no more a 'Huey' than (again) a C7 is an M-16.

But isn't a C1 still a Leopard?