Who runs the wars?

[walker 0]

Hi all

Want to know more about the carlyle group and how it works?

'Ex-presidents club' gets fat on conflict Observer article

With it there are links to other sources.

Kind Regards Walker

[Tamme 0]

Ignorance is blizz. How nice it would be an ignorant hillbilly who doesn't know, and if knows, doesn't care.

This sounds worrying. Why aren't the americans doing anything? Don't they know, or are they being self-denial about this: "No, not in America. There's nothing wrong with our country. STFU commies"

[Gollum1 0]

Quote[/b] ]If I was American, I would take up arms and march to Washington

And have A-10s cut you down like puppies under a lawnmower...

Mmm. Just imagine if the rebels of the American Revolutionary War thought that way...that avatar of yours might be a Union Jack.

VIVA LA REVOLUCION !!!!!!

MARCH ON THE PRESIDENTIAL PALACES AND REMOVE THE DESPOTS

(we can ship a couple of guillotines if needed)

Finally! A person with his head straight.    

 

[Bernadotte 0]

Quote[/b] ]If I was American, I would take up arms and march to Washington

And have A-10s cut you down like puppies under a lawnmower...

Mmm. Just imagine if the rebels of the American Revolutionary War thought that way...that avatar of yours might be a Union Jack.

Let's face it... If the British Empire had had A-10s in 1776 then everyone's flag would be a Unions Jack.  

[EiZei 0]

They didnt have AA-missiles as well back then did they?

[Gollum1 0]

Exactly. :rolleyes:

[killagee 0]

Glad to see this issue on these forums!

The Carlyle Groups has been the subject of a million posts in other forums. Took its time to get here tho!

Here's an interesting titbit 4 u!

ATK is part of the Carlyle Group. ATK recently bought a 45% share in Roverstotol, who own 75% of Kalashnikov...

ATK also have total ownership of Colt, 35% of HK etc etc

Need guns for your War? Who you gonna call? Which ever side you are on... ITS THE SAME MAN. Go the tweed suits...

[m21man 0]

Oooh! Oooh! Another conspiracy theory!

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]Hi m21man

I did not know your people were so afraid of them.

Very sorry for you i thought that as a free people you stood up to tyrany.

I felt sure that if the US thought it was going the way of Stalin's Rusia it would do something about it.

Sadly walker

Due to our wonderful 2nd Amendmant, we have no reason to fear the U.S. military . We'll be shooting them with hunting rifles, while they try to get their OICWs to work !

Seriously, I don't fear the government at all. I was just playing into this whole "evil-corporations-control-the-globe" idea.

Quote[/b] ]Mmm. Just imagine if the rebels of the American Revolutionary War thought that way...that avatar of yours might be a Union Jack.

Completely different concept. Back then the only things that civilians didn't have that the military did were cannons, and U.S. militias already had some .

[killagee 0]

Oooh! Oooh! Another conspiracy theory!

There is no conspiracy I am afraid!

Do a company Board of Directors need to "conspire" together to increase profits? No, its their job. Its what they do...

I only know of one conspiracy: Some of Hitlers rivals within the Third Reich tried to blow him up with a briefcase bomb... THAT is a conspircy. This is just Business as usual...

[Pipski 0]

Ah, I've been a bit out of touch with conspiracy theories. I was madly into them 10 years ago. Back then it was all Opus Dei, P2, the Illuminati and the Bilderbergers. I see that today's flavour of the month is the Carlyle Group. Well I say that the Bilderbergers could have the Carlyle Group for breakfast! Maybe with some help from the Knights Templar ...

btw, anyone who feels they have a pretty good grounding in occult conspiracy theories would probably enjoy `Foucault's Pendulum' by Umberto Eco. It's very tongue in cheek, about a group of publishers who decide to invent a conspiracy theory to sell a book only to find that it appears to be coming true ... very tongue in cheek and you do need a PhD in paranoid arcana but very entertaining.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

Glad to see this issue on these forums!

The Carlyle Groups has been the subject of a million posts in other forums. Took its time to get here tho!

Here's an interesting titbit 4 u!

ATK is part of the Carlyle Group. ATK recently bought a 45% share in Roverstotol, who own 75% of Kalashnikov...

ATK also have total ownership of Colt, 35% of HK etc etc

Need guns for your War? Who you gonna call? Which ever side you are on... ITS THE SAME MAN. Go the tweed suits...

Proof? Linkage?

[cozza 24]

just a though. I never saw the movie.

In the Twin Towers the secret service had a weapon stockpile. Could the watcha call it group Cayle group be involed

Batdog aka. Ratboy aka. Guy from the landdown under

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]In the Twin Towers the secret service had a weapon stockpile. Could the watcha call it group Cayle group be involed

Of course, that's the beauty of conspiracy theories! You build up a theory from flimsy evidence, and then you can claim anything you want !

[walker 0]

Quote[/b] ]In the Twin Towers the secret service had a weapon stockpile. Could the watcha call it group Cayle group be involed

Of course, that's the beauty of conspiracy theories! You build up a theory from flimsy evidence, and then you can claim anything you want !

Hi m21man

Thats an intresting conspiracy theory you have there the m21man conspiracy theory: There are no conspiracies its all just conspiracy theories.

Well unlike the the m21man conspiracy theory the Carlyle Group are real.

http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/eng/index.html

Unless it is all part the m21man conspiracy theory and it dont exist its just a made up website with peoples names on it. It could be you know

Kind Regards Walker

[m21man 0]

Of course there are conspiracies. However, I don't think that a "global private equity firm" would be interested in attacking the Twin Towers. Even if they had the power to do it, it wouldn't be profitable. My point was that you need to come up with likely conspiracy theories, not completely of-the-wall ideas.

[Gollum1 0]

Completely different concept. Back then the only things that civilians didn't have that the military did were cannons, and U.S. militias already had some .

I guess that's why the Soviets were slaughtered in Afghanistan. The only thing Afghans didn't have were Su-25s, Mi-24s, BMPs, T-64s, Spetz Naz...actually, the only thing they had were AKs and RPGs.  That's a completely false argument.

A10s can't fight guerrilla wars. They can't hold ground or win the support of the local population. Guerrilla wars are man to man, the side with more determination and the population on their side wins.

@Walker:

VERY good point.

[walker 0]

Of course there are conspiracies. However, I don't think that a "global private equity firm" would be interested in attacking the Twin Towers. Even if they had the power to do it, it wouldn't be profitable. My point was that you need to come up with likely conspiracy theories, not completely of-the-wall ideas.

Hi m21man

My point is explained in the documentary.

It is simple:

The Carlyle Group a global private equity firm was set up in Washington when all others are set up in Wall Street New York.

The Carlyle Group was set up there with a specific business plan of headhunting former members of US administrations up to and including Presidents to use to gain a controling interest in US policy and inteligence in areas where it would invest.

The Carlyle Group's primary areas of investment are Oil and Military technology.

The Carlyle Group flouts US Laws designed to ensure seperation of powers employing a revolving door system to get round US Laws on conflict of interest with regard to former members of a US administration.

I know you are an educated person m21man; although you walked into a self reitereative argument with the "it is all just a conspiracy theory argument" (must have missed that part of rhetoric in debating class eh?), so I know you know why it is important to have seperation of powers.

I can see you might be a republican in your beliefs but you should not confuse demagogism with your belief in the republican party. Party leaders, presidents and administrations come and go in a democracy.

The executive administration of a democracy are the peoples servant not their rullers. That is why I dont like the word government it gets the relationship the wrong way round. As people you are suposed to remind them you are the master and they the servant. Hence elections so you can give them a good slap when they get uppity.

Many in your republican party are turning against this croneyist sect that currently own your republican party. Even those from the far right such as Alexander Haig he cited the control that Saudi Oil had over George Bush senior as the main reason for his leaving the administration.

Such people have been warning your country of the danger of such croneyist sects. You may think the danger of such sects poluting the body politic of the US government is unimportant.

You may think it is OK that your soldiers are armed with weapons chosen by bribe rather than by fair competion.

You may think The Carlyle Group, a global private equity firm, was the only one to setup away from where the money is but close to where the power is has nothing to do with its busness plan.

You may feel it is OK for your election process to be corrupted as it was with Cynthia McKinney.

I dont know it is for you to wrestle with.

Kind Regards Walker

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]...actually, the only thing they had were AKs and RPGs...

...And HMGs, .50 Barretts, Stingers, and mountains to hide in .

[m21man 0]

Quote[/b] ]Alexander Haig he cited the control that Saudi Oil had over George Bush senior as the main reason for his leaving the administration.

Oil is very important to the U.S.         ! Where would we be without it? Though I'd prefer that we drilled in ANWR, we needed an alternate source for our fuel before we could stop catering to Middle Eastern oil conglomerates.

Quote[/b] ]You may feel it is OK for your election process to be corrupted as it was with Cynthia McKinney.

As I'm too lazy to spend the time downloading the movie on a 56k, will you just tell me what this is supposed to be about? How was the voting corrupted?

Quote[/b] ]The Carlyle Group was set up there with a specific business plan of headhunting former members of US administrations up to and including Presidents to use to gain a controling interest in US policy and inteligence in areas where it would invest.

Which laws say that they can't hire an ex-politician as an advisor?

Quote[/b] ]The Carlyle Group's primary areas of investment are Oil and Military technology.

I saw "Legend Natural Gas" as the only energy company that it's invested in.

Quote[/b] ]You may think it is OK that your soldiers are armed with weapons chosen by bribe rather than by fair competion.

Then the Carlyle Group is performing rather poorly, I've been seeing a lot of HKs slipping into the inventories   .

[killagee 0]

Glad to see this issue on these forums!

The Carlyle Groups has been the subject of a million posts in other forums. Took its time to get here tho!

Here's an interesting titbit 4 u!

ATK is part of the Carlyle Group. ATK recently bought a 45% share in Roverstotol, who own 75% of Kalashnikov...

ATK also have total ownership of Colt, 35% of HK etc etc

Need guns for your War? Who you gonna call? Which ever side you are on... ITS THE SAME MAN. Go the tweed suits...

Proof? Linkage?

From the Janes.com subscribers site, but I also remember seeing it on fas.org too so I will have a look there and post what I can find.

Actually, there in another interesting linkage to Rostvertol, but it sounds harmless to me... British Air Foyal has joined forces with Antonov (also a subsidary of Rostvertol, who are most famous for the Mil Mi Helicopters). They are marketing the AN-124 to western countries as a strategic transport. I would love to see more of these beasts around.

After the collapse of the soviet union, many of the countries Arms manufactures were left with out any govt funding and had lots of half built cancelled orders, so they joined forces (with the loss of thousands of jobs!) and created new companies they new would fail so they could be written off This opened the door for western companies to buy out near-controlling shares in these new corporations. Everybody has their finger in the pie! Bofors (sweden), BAE (england- though half owned by lockheed martin) etc etc

Heres an interesting article if you are intereseted in the russian defence industry...

Link

Sorry for off-topic rambling...

[farmcoot 0]

The Anti-American robots strike again....

[Crazysheep 1]

The Anti-American robots strike again....

This is the problem that several people have mentioned. Rather than coming up with a counter-argument, many Americans are just saying "omg-pinko-commie-fruitcake-conspiracy-theorists-whydoyouhateussomuch!?!?"

[farmcoot 0]

The Anti-American robots strike again....

This is the problem that several people have mentioned. Rather than coming up with a counter-argument, many Americans are just saying "omg-pinko-commie-fruitcake-conspiracy-theorists-whydoyouhateussomuch!?!?"

With a topic like "who runs wars", what the hell do you expect. Which is obviously pointed at the U.S. Why don't I start throwing around topics like "Who is really running the EU", there were be such an outlash...

[Bernadotte 0]

The Carlyle Groups has been the subject of a million posts in other forums. Took its time to get here tho!

It did?