Nogova police units - update

[GoOB 0]

I think a lot of people are misunderstanding Deadmeat.  From what I can tell this is gonna be a Nogova police addon, not LAPD.

There is no reason for SWAT teams or riot police on a tiny european island with a few small towns and a bunch of villages.  I think what he has looks good, though I hope you plan on removing the automatic machine gun from the boat

Hrmph, riot police/a special equipped team of some sort is needed in all countries. Especially in a eastern block state such as Nogova. It doesn't have to be SWAT like guys geared up to the max. Just a police officer with a helmet of some sort and some sort of body armor/magazine vest. Very much like the Swedish "piket forces" wich are basically just police officers in more heavy gear. Used for dangerous razzia's and other circumstances that require a bit more "punch".

[Lenin 0]

Yep, just a normal policeman + builetproof vest + helmet + Ak47 instead of TT and nice police van (with wire on the windows and two flashers on the roof or inside, behind the main window) - this is how I imagine Nogovian counter terrorist team

[redhawk_six 0]

Forget the surburban, I missed this page:

Quote[/b] ]The aim of this addon is to equip the Nogvans with "period" equipment that doesn't look out of place, so as much of it as possible will be "older" Russian/Eastern bloc equipment, or "low spec" civilian equipment. So no, I won't be doing American style Vans, or Porsch 911's, or using the BAS "Biker" model. After all, the Nogovans would only patrol a maximum of 4 Small islands (counting Everon, Malden and Kolgujev under their durisdiction too) so they wouldn't have a mega budget, or a need for top end equipment.

As for the SWAT debate, yes, they would have a full swat team.  If it were a small town on contenintal europe, then it might fall under the jurisdiction of a federal team, and thus not have it's own team.  But, since it is a seperate island and nation, they would have their own fully formed SWAT team with all the "fixings" of any other SWAT team.  And SWAT does do more then counter-terrorism, they also serve high risk warrents (in fact, this makes up the majority of swat work) hostage rescue, and vip protection just to name a few.  A SWAT team is a very important part of any police detachment, whether on Novoga, or in LA.  Hell, even the Delta Police Dept. in BC, Canada has a fully formed ERT (SWAT) team, and it's just a small town, within the RCMP ERT's jurisdiction.

[Uncle_Sam 0]

Lets vote for a S.W.A.T team in the end DM says if he creates one or not

Yes, Nogova needs a wonderfull, fantastiq S.W.A.T team

No , Nogova is Poor and has a low IQ'd criminals

  Fair isnt it

Something like this mayby

[redhawk_six 0]

Yes

A 1980's SWAT team would not be just uparmoured officers with flak vests and M1 helmets, that would be a 1960's swat team.  They would be using early tactical vests and K-pots (kevlar helmets).  I'll try to find some pics.

Here's a small town team without their tac vests on.

1980's SWAT Armoured Car

I would suggest something like this, but maybe no gloves and a normal poilce uniform under tac gear.

Or like this.

[GoOB 0]

Once again it looks too modern for my tastes. Something simple like a cop with a helmet and a low grade kevlar vest. Keep in mind that Nogova doesn't have a whole lot of budget and they need to cover a fairly small area. And also we are not looking for 1980's American stuff here (AFAIK) but something more Russian and generally european looking. this That is typically European. Simplistic, nothing too advanced. Since face it Nogova is not bound to have a sky high crime rate. Wich calls for highly trained officers and overly specialized weapons.

And yet again I will bring up the Swedish police force. Our crime rates are not sky high. Or atleast not the ones requiring special police enforcemnt. But we have as I said are police men (generally picked out from the force to serve a few years in the "piket" then thrown back out on to the beat) They are often just issued a kevlar vest. Some sort of submachinegun and sometimes tactical helmets. But most of the time only balaclavas. But then we have the specially trained entry team (consists of about twelve people all in all) wich are similar to the American SWAT units. In tasks they perform and tactics they use.

[Uncle_Sam 0]

Show us a Pic then

Edit : I searched for piket teams your lying man this is what i can find of a "piket forcemember"

Picture of Piket member

Swedish SWAT team

This can be right

wherent you the guy that also said that the swedish Police never had helmets on, when they drive a Motor

Ahum Ahum

Different from the US my ass

[GoOB 0]

Of a Swedish piket officer? Are you kidding me, I have been searching all over but the best I can find is a regular officer with a kevlar vest, boat cap, and a MP5-K. But I am looking all over, trust me.

EDIT: I just found a picture of the ones I do not think look like what I imagine a Nogova riot team / special reaction unit.

The Swedish "national task force"

"Nationella insatsstyrkan"

EDIT2: Something more along the lines of what I imagine a Nogova special reaction unit looks like. Although I am not sure if this woman is in the piket forces or not.

Possibly a piket officer

[Dauragon 0]

"Sweden is not Nogova"

[Uncle_Sam 0]

Dadadum how Smart of you

DM Can please give us info about the features(commands) of your pack Pretty Please

[redhawk_six 0]

Once again it looks too modern for my tastes. Something simple like a cop with a helmet and a low grade kevlar vest. Keep in mind that Nogova doesn't have a whole lot of budget and they need to cover a fairly small area. And also we are not looking for 1980's American stuff here (AFAIK) but something more Russian and generally european looking. this That is typically European. Simplistic, nothing too advanced. Since face it Nogova is not bound to have a sky high crime rate. Wich calls for highly trained officers and overly specialized weapons.

And yet again I will bring up the Swedish police force. Our crime rates are not sky high. Or atleast not the ones requiring special police enforcemnt. But we have as I said are police men (generally picked out from the force to serve a few years in the "piket" then thrown back out on to the beat) They are often just issued a kevlar vest. Some sort of submachinegun and sometimes tactical helmets. But most of the time only balaclavas. But then we have the specially trained entry team (consists of about twelve people all in all) wich are similar to the American SWAT units. In tasks they perform and tactics they use.

Yes, but remember, Nogova is occupied by the US in the game, thus there is likely to be some American influence in their diffrent government branches. But, ultimatly it's up to DM what kind of kit he puts on the Nogova SWAT team, that is if he makes one at all.

[nyles 11]

Hehe, screw those SWAT stuff. Most of what people show here as SWAT are mid- to late ninties uparmoured and upgeared commandos. As goob said, the budget of Nogova should be kinda low and if they'd had more than maybe 10 regular police cars of different types and a total of maybe 25 officers they'd already have a very large police force compared to an island of that size.

The mentioned regular cop with an old steal helmet and a flak or kevlar vest would be a lot more fitting to a mid eighties small country police force. This ain't USA where every retard and his grandma own a shotgun or automatic rifle, thus making excessive police presence a must. Even in Germany, which ain't a small country, most raids would consist of regular police with some added vests, a submachinegun here and there and in the worst case a GSG9 reaction team, who in the eighties had just dark coats, some basic ballistic protection and a helmet, basically like this:

And if a rich country like Germany can provide an equipment level of this, something like Nogova should be way below that standard. I still plea for just including some standard cops with a vest and a steal helmet. That should do alright.

Instead what about adding the then anyways modelled vest to 2-3 civilian models as well, turning them into federal cops or officers in civilian clothes. This combined with the Black GAZ24 (with modified siren effects like the other cars) would work out nicely for fast reaction or entry teams. No need for overkill SWAT uber-elite stuff like in USA or in some other countries since the mid ninties.

[Uncle_Sam 0]

Once again it looks too modern for my tastes. Something simple like a cop with a helmet and a low grade kevlar vest. Keep in mind that Nogova doesn't have a whole lot of budget and they need to cover a fairly small area. And also we are not looking for 1980's American stuff here (AFAIK) but something more Russian and generally european looking. this That is typically European. Simplistic, nothing too advanced. Since face it Nogova is not bound to have a sky high crime rate. Wich calls for highly trained officers and overly specialized weapons.

And yet again I will bring up the Swedish police force. Our crime rates are not sky high. Or atleast not the ones requiring special police enforcemnt. But we have as I said are police men (generally picked out from the force to serve a few years in the "piket" then thrown back out on to the beat) They are often just issued a kevlar vest. Some sort of submachinegun and sometimes tactical helmets. But most of the time only balaclavas. But then we have the specially trained entry team (consists of about twelve people all in all) wich are similar to the American SWAT units. In tasks they perform and tactics they use.

Yes, but remember, Nogova is occupied by the US in the game, thus there is likely to be some American influence in their diffrent government branches.  But, ultimatly it's up to DM what kind of kit he puts on the Nogova SWAT team, that is if he makes one at all.

He is a bit mystirous about his pack. i like it i think we all will be suprised from what kind of things he put in it

[dm 9]

Nogova is NOT the us, or any other "western" style island...

Like I have said before, and like some of the more astute of you have been saying, this addon will fit the FEEL of the current Nogovan Police (I.e. the Official BIS Police Officer, and his jeep, these are the very basis for this set of addons, which will be a simple set of units)

Whislt I appreciate that some of you really want to know features, I am not going to tell you, simply to keep it as a nice suprise when the addon is released... Think of it like Birthday/Christmas presants, you never REALLY know what they are, even tho you have an incling....

What I will say is this:

NO I will NOT be doing "SWAT" units, since I dont think they really fit in with a group of islands this small (and I cant be bothered with the extra work - soldiers are not my strong point)

Yes I will be doing some form of "uparmoured" "riot" style unit, something like the units shown here.

Remember, a lot of you are used to the high tech, high budget approach of the West, whereas the smaller eastern block countries (especially one like Nogova - small, with a population not much over a few 1000) have a very different approach to Emergency services...

Try to keep a broad mind, and think not of 80's American equipment, but of 80's EASTERN equipment.

[supergruntsb78 67]

i cant wait for these guys they look great (your other work was great too so.....)

[nyles 11]

That's good to hear, DM! Thumps up!

Any chance of a slight comment regarding the black GAZ and the civilian cops with vests, or does this fall into the surprise category already?  

Anyway, keep up the good work. I even start to accept the Martinshorn, as I can't manage to change it anyways. Hehe  

EDIT: Oh and when you are on those break&enter police officers, I'd suggest to give them silenced UZI and FN FAL, not AK47cz. I think these weapons are very fitting to the style and equipment level of the Nogova police force.

[Uncle_Sam 0]

Finnally we worked out the SWAT item, thank you

Actually its pretty good of DM doing this all by himself isnt it.

He's an example for future addon makers

[dm 9]

Any chance of a slight comment regarding the black GAZ and the civilian cops with vests, or does this fall into the surprise category already?  

I think that MOHAX will be changing his "official" version of the GAZ to use a different siren sound, and maybe the 2 position light switch. The finer details I do not know, but I dont want to "steal" all his glory, after all without him none of this would have happened...

As for a "secret police" style unit, I'm not really sure, I don't think there's much point, when people can equip the normal civilians (since that is all they would be) with a pistol/rifle...

And "cops with vests" is again swaying into modern "western" doctrine, as it is only recently (the last 5 or 6 years in a noticable way) that undercover units, or even normal coppers, have started to wear body armour (or "stab jackets" as more commonly worn in the UK)

[nyles 11]

I agree on the spread of ballistic vests among police officers, it would just be a nice and easy addition, if you'd done some vested police officers anyways, as the vest model could simply be applied to the civilian then, too. Maybe you could do a civilian with 6 weapon slots (not just 4) and maybe a visible sidearm holster somewhere at his belt or slung beside his chest, instead? Just an idea, as I will definetely include some civilian cops in that mission I'm making. If not, I'll just use standard civies. The black GAZ24 with the siren stuff would be more important but if MOHAX deals with that, there's nothing to worry about.

[Uncle_Sam 0]

DM

What "thing" is the hardest to create/retexture of the pack??

[dm 9]

Textures are generally the hardest part to do, getting it right, making it look real, and not like a cartoon...

But really, I just dont like doing human models...

Never liked/been able to draw them well, but machinery I can draw/model till the cows wome home...

However, I do appreciate the Human form, especially the female one...

ANYHO... to drag this back on topic - Lee, I'll have the first pics of the bus for you at some point in the next couple of days...

[Major Fubar 0]

I think it's been established that DeadMeat won't be doing any Swat style addons for his police pack, so please don't keep nagging him.

This doesn't mean, however, that some other enterprising addonmaker can't do their own Nogova SWAT pack

[The Frenchman 0]

the budget of Nogova should be kinda low

Not really.

Look at security under general info

The page is mostly about Nogovan life if the island was real. Since Nogova has no army, its police force is very strong and well armed.

[lee_h._oswald 0]

ANYHO... to drag this back on topic - Lee, I'll have the first pics of the bus for you at some point in the next couple of days...

Fantastic!

I think this bus fits more than any other.

It´s just a transport, but I think "NogoPol" needs it.

MfG Lee

[Munk 0]

Maybe you could go all the way and the nogovan emergancy services? Ambulances. firetrucks etc. Maybe a UK green goddess for a fire truck? They take about 5 minutes to get going if they're stopped and im always the unlucky bastard stuck behind them   I'll have a look for some pic's, there's bound to be loads floatin aboutHere's a link for ya