Us orchestrated 9/11?

[ralphwiggum 6]

given Bush's intellectual amount(or lack of), i doubt if he can correctly figure what happened at the moment. but then again, no one thought it was an deliberate act until 2nd plane hit the tower.

[Acecube 0]

As I allready stated I am no fan of conspiracy theories. Some months ago I found this 8-page-pamphlet in a cafe which gets very "mystic" towards the end. Anyways there are some interesting parts in it. Denoir already posted one of these (W.B. in the classroom). Anotherone which if personally find to be quite strange, is the filling of the planes. There it states that normaly American and United Airlines normally never take of with less than 50% occupied seats per plane but either cancel or put multiple flights together. Further it states that on 9/11 they had all four planes with following vacant seats:

Flight AA077: 289 seats, 64 passengers (3/4 empty)

Flight AA011: 351 seats, 92 passengers (allmost 3/4 empty)

Flight UA175: 351 seats, 65 passengers (4/5 empty)

Flight UA093: 289 seats, 45 passengers (4/5 empty)

IF this is true then AQ is a better managed organization than both of the airline companys because they apparently were able to figure this strange combination of 4 planes that are underoccupied at the SAME day while the airlines were NOT!?

What do you think?

[theavonlady 2]

What do you think?

Planes hop from one place to another. Supposing an 8AM plane takes off empty from NY to Chicago, where 250 people are waiting to go on that same plane to Denver.

[denoir 0]

911 timeline

It raises a lot of interesting questions in its minute by minute analysis. I find it specially interesting how the Air Force failed to shoot down the plane or more to the point to get to them in time. If you look at when NORAD records show that the F-15's scrambled from Othis and when you look at when they arrived you can see that they flew at about 25% of top speed.

I'm not going to speculate why, especially not with the state of confusion that the US military was that day, but it's an odd fact.

[denoir 0]

Ha! Ha! Ha! Told you so!  

[Bernadotte 0]

I still can't rule out a shoot down theory.

Quote[/b] ]The U.S. government insists the plane exploded on impact, yet a one-ton section of the engine was found over a mile away and other light debris was found scattered over eight miles away.

...Guess it must'a bounced.  

[ralphwiggum 6]

Ha! Ha! Ha! Told you so!  

if anything, the article confirms more towards the self inflicting crash than shooting down theory.

[Renagade 0]

Quote[/b] ] Ananova:

Ex-Blair minister accuses US of allowing Sept 11 attacks

Former Government minister Michael Meacher has claimed that the war on terrorism is a "political smokescreen" allowing the US to dominate the world and its oil supplies.

Writing in The Guardian, Mr Meacher, who was environment minister for six years until June, argued that the US knew in advance of the September 11 attacks but did not act for strategic reasons.

It has since made "no serious attempt" to catch Osama bin Laden, he added.

His comments provoked a strong reaction from the US embassy in London, with the paper quoting a spokesman saying: "Mr Meacher's fantastic allegations - especially his assertion that the US government knowingly stood by while terrorists killed some 3,000 innocents in New York, Pennsylvania and Virginia - would be monstrous, and monstrously offensive, if they came from someone serious or credible."

Mr Meacher, MP for Oldham, claimed that "the truth may well be a great deal murkier" than the conventional explanation that, after the September 11 attacks, the US launched a global war on terrorism, striking first at al Qaida bases in Afghanistan and then, because Saddam Hussein was alleged to have weapons of mass destruction, going to war with Iraq.

He cited a document called Rebuilding America's Defences, written in September 2000 by neo-conservative think tank Project for the New American Century, which was set up by a group including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Lewis Libby (Mr Cheney's chief of staff).

The PNAC plan "is a blueprint for US world domination" which "provides a much better explanation of what happened before, during and after 9/11 than the global war on terrorism thesis", he wrote.

"From this it seems that the so-called 'war on terrorism' is being used largely as bogus cover for achieving wider US strategic geopolitical objectives."

He said the PNAC document stated that making the US "tomorrow's dominant force" would be a long process without "some catalysing event - like a new Pearl Harbour".

Story filed: 07:46 Saturday 6th September 2003

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Interesting

[theavonlady 2]

Interesting  

............. but shtoopit!

(must be an Arte Johnson fan to understand)

[Renagade 0]

I couldn `t give a damn if the US invaded loads of countries its when they stop invading places and start eating up our freedoms thats worrying

[theavonlady 2]

its when they stop  invading places and start eating up our freedoms  thats worrying

You mean new MacDonalds franchises are your concern?

[Renagade 0]

thats funny on more than one level avon.

[toadlife 3]

Flight AA077: 289 seats, 64 passengers (3/4 empty)

Flight AA011: 351 seats, 92 passengers (allmost 3/4 empty)

Flight UA175: 351 seats, 65 passengers (4/5 empty)

Flight UA093: 289 seats, 45 passengers (4/5 empty)

IF this is true then AQ is a better managed organization than both of the airline companys because they apparently were able to figure this strange combination of 4 planes that are underoccupied at the SAME day while the airlines were NOT!?

What do you think?

I think you're reading too much into this. My uncle who used to work for IBM frequently flied all over the country. he flew so much that when we went to visit him and our flight was cancelled in Chicago, he was able to guess which flight we had tried to take before we even told him. He had seen it get cancelled many times before during his travels. Airlines have their fixed flights schedules which they stick to for many months at a time. All the terrorists had to do was follow which flights were normally empty and plan their evil deeds accordingly.

[Milkman 1]

<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>Edit: I am only trying to express my view of this thread in a picture. An old saying goes "A picture is worth a thousand words" and since I was short on time, I attempted to use a picture to express my thoughts of this thread. If you have a problem with that fine, it is removed, but I believe it did not qualify as spam for it had wording on it to describe the feelings I expressed toward the subject of this thread.</span>  

[Major Fubar 0]

You're on 1 warning box already Sgt. Milkman, so tread carefully. 4 more and you will be unable to post here any more...

Posting Images like that is frowned upon here (i.e. pics that are useless one-liners like "Another thread down in flames" or "How about a nice cup of shut-the-****-up").

I'm feeling "generous" so you get a verbal warning only this time.  

[edit: I need glasses]

[Tex -USMC- 0]

It's unfortunate that a picture directing an insult at someone's intelligence manages to misspell 'immediately' itself. No, unfortunate isn't the word I'm looking for- it's really more... ironic. Yeah, that's it. It's ironic.

[Baron Hurlothrumbo IIX 0]

Well done captain obvious