F-111 user input for next beta

[Skaircro 0]

I'm after some input from anyone that uses my F-111.

Before you ask, YES, I have included the option to have US decals now, so you don't need to worry about that!

I need to know if anyone uses the air-to-air planes?

I'm thinking of getting rid of them for the next beta.

In between 'studying' for exams I have been modifying textures for a camoflage version which is pretty much finished.

There is a teaser here if your interested.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/dwright1/f111camo.jpg

The planes I'm thinking of putting in the next beta are:

(Both in grey and camo)

Mk82 snakeye

LGB10

LGB12

AGM142

Sweep Wing

I was going to give the Mk82 snakeye plane the vulcan cannon from the air-to-air planes, as well as get the sidewinders working on all planes (the proxies wont work though).

This way I can get rid of the air-to-air planes altogether, but there will only be 2 sidewinders on each plane.

Also, would people like it as one file for download or two separate ones (gray and camo separate)??

I'm not sure about this bit yet but I will let you know when it is nearing completion, that way I can say roughly how big it will be.

Thanks guys!

[Koolkid101 0]

its beautiful, I'd like it as 1pbo.

[Sxep 0]

Finally no more G.. Canadien aardvark!

AS for the AA Well the F111 is a bit bulky for a fighter. but maybe a sweepwing version with AA rockets will be very cool!

[Eviscerator 0]

What i would suggest is instead of using normal proxies, how about using Col Klinks Pseudo-Proxy system? This would allow you to have various weapons (Air to ground missiles/bombs and air to air missiles) on the same plane, as well as allowing you to have the wings sweeping, and the weapons will follow them, one request i do have is for an F-111 in the US Colours of South East Asia (from back in Vietnam), i have some pictures showing this colourscheme in pretty good detail, however i dont have an F-111 drawing, only F-5 and F-105:

And a picture of a real F-111 using the colourscheme:

[DracoPaladore 0]

Finally no more G.. Canadien aardvark!

Huh?

-Very good looking F111. I can't wait to fly the baby.

[Dark Knight 0]

will it have the afterburner.. showing?

[Sxep 0]

Finally no more G.. Canadien aardvark!

Huh?

-Very good looking F111. I can't wait to fly the baby.

f111 is also called aardvark ( atleast in NL i think)

Or maybe its a an Air to ground config. who knows

I don´t want a canadien Flag on it.

[Shashman 0]

Finally no more G.. Canadien aardvark!

Huh?

-Very good looking F111. I can't wait to fly the baby.

f111 is also called aardvark ( atleast in NL i think)

Or maybe its a an Air to ground config. who knows  

I don´t want a canadien Flag on it.

I don't see why people are talking about Canada, as they never used the F-111

But hey Scairco, that's looking great,can't wait to use it  

And yes it is called the Aardvark  

*EDIT* Forgot to say : I suggest you leave out the air-air version as it was only considered a fighter at the early stages of its conception, later on it was discovered to be a much better air-ground platform.

[Supah 0]

one request i do have is for an F-111 in the US Colours of South East Asia (from back in Vietnam), i have some pictures showing this colourscheme in pretty good detail, however i dont have an F-111 drawing, only F-5 and F-105:

Look closely at the pic he posted and note that it allready is in SAE camo Looks fantastic!

[Sxep 0]

HELLO his last f111 pack was under Canadien FLAG!

[Shashman 0]

HELLO his last f111 pack was under Canadien FLAG!

*Sigh*

The "HELLO" speaks for itself...

[Sxep 0]

yeah sorrs, But its true..read what Skaircro wrote..

[Eviscerator 0]

one request i do have is for an F-111 in the US Colours of South East Asia (from back in Vietnam), i have some pictures showing this colourscheme in pretty good detail, however i dont have an F-111 drawing, only F-5 and F-105:

Look closely at the pic he posted and note that it allready is in SAE camo Looks fantastic!

Oops, didnt even see the link.

[coporal_punishment 0]

HELLO his last f111 pack was under Canadien FLAG!

BYE BYE his last f111 pack was under the Austrlian Air Force Flag unless for some stupid reason the Canadians got Kangaroos on their aircraft roundells and plus wasn't the f111 only used by Australia and the US

[coporal_punishment 0]

one request i do have is for an F-111 in the US Colours of South East Asia (from back in Vietnam), i have some pictures showing this colourscheme in pretty good detail, however i dont have an F-111 drawing, only F-5 and F-105:

Look closely at the pic he posted and note that it allready is in SAE camo Looks fantastic!

Oops, didnt even see the link.

That looks like a AUSTRALIAN F111 AIRFORCE CAMOFLAGE some of our squadrons based in Butterworth Air Force Base use it but i may be wrong perhaps Skaircro os making a Vietnam version, Evis i'll pass on the message about Col. Klinks weapon system.

[Hudson 0]

Is an ejectable cockpit a possibility?

[Skaircro 0]

HELLO his last f111 pack was under Canadien FLAG!

As coporal_punishment said, I think you'll find the last one was under the Australian flag.

I thought the Canadian roundel has a Maple leaf in a circle, not a Kangaroo!!

The colours I've used are spose to represent the old camoflage of the Australian F-111's, before they all went to the grey.

It is VERY similar to the US SEA colours. From pictures I have seen the colours used by the US are 'slightly' different.

I did intend for this to have the appearance of SEA colours for Vietnam scenarios.

The colours might look a bit odd in the screen shot, but they look pretty good in flight when looking down on it. Blends in quite well.

I am hoping to have a working ejecting module (using the same principle as Col Klinks Harrier ejecting seat), but I doubt that will be in this release. I dont even know if it will work yet.

But I do have the module ready!

I was thinking of using the pseudo proxy thingo, but I dont know if I'll worry about it. I'll probably just put up with the 2 dud proxies.

It wouldn't work with sweeping wings as the bombs and bomb racks would end up with a huge toe-out.

But I will have the sweeping wing plane with the bomb bay again.

There won't be any afterburner yet, and the cockpit textures probably wont be any different than the last release.

I'll worry about these things for the final (whenever that will be).

Thanks for the feeback.

Not sure when the release will be yet either (and I dont want to make any estimates) but I'll let you know when it's close.

[Eviscerator 0]

It wouldn't work with sweeping wings as the bombs and bomb racks would end up with a huge toe-out.

How do you mean?

[Shashman 0]

It wouldn't work with sweeping wings as the bombs and bomb racks would end up with a huge toe-out.

How do you mean?

If the wings swing, then the pylons under the wings need to rotate too otherwise they wouldn't be inline with the aircraft,causing severe aerodynamic drag.I think this is what he means by "with a huge toe-out"...Just picture it as the way some people walk, with their toes pointing outwards

[Skaircro 0]

It wouldn't work with sweeping wings as the bombs and bomb racks would end up with a huge toe-out.

How do you mean?

Kinda like this (ignoring the combination of plane colours).

The bomb pseudo proxies would move with the wings, but the weapon pylons cant pivot to face forwards.

They are included with the wing animation, and it comes back to the 'objects cant have more than one animation' problem.

I would need them to move back with the wings AND pivot to face forwards.

Maybe in OFP2?

[Shashman 0]

That's great that you're modelling the crew escape module I was amazed when I saw it in real life (There's a module and F-111 in the Imperial War Museum Air Museum at Duxford)

Incidentally it was in SEA camo scheme

[Skaircro 0]

That's great that you're modelling the crew escape module I was amazed when I saw it in real life (There's a module and F-111 in the Imperial War Museum Air Museum at Duxford)  

Incidentally it was in SEA camo scheme

I saw one years ago (early 80's I think) at an air show or something in Australia.

Don't know if it was from an AU or a US plane??

I was only a little kid so didn't know what it was at the time!!

What you said with the toe-out bit too, but I was thinking like a car front wheel alignment.

[miles teg 1]

Overall I think this new version is looking great! As long as it's possible to make it with US markings I don't think I'll freak out about the older SEA cammo paint job. However if you could keep the modern grey version that would be very cool if that's possible.

But so far it's really been only the lack of US markings that have prevented me (and I'm sure many other American mission makers) from making missions with your F111. I've really wanted to use it, but it just looks too wierd calling in air support and having a plane with Australian markings taking off in a movie cutscene or something.

Now if there was a Indonesian Defense Force addon pack for the ADF addons to fight against I might consider making some Australian missions. Most of the weapons they use are already made and would just need retexturing (The Rapier AA system, the F-16, the A-4 Skyhawk, M16's, M240's, ect...)

But anyways, with the new color scheme and the ability to put US markings I'll definitely be using this for some missions.

Keep up the awesome work! I consider this plane one of the best airplane addons out right now ranking up there with Hawk's C130 and the DKM Bronco.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[Eviscerator 0]

It wouldn't work with sweeping wings as the bombs and bomb racks would end up with a huge toe-out.

How do you mean?

Kinda like this (ignoring the combination of plane colours).

The bomb pseudo proxies would move with the wings, but the weapon pylons cant pivot to face forwards.

They are included with the wing animation, and it comes back to the 'objects cant have more than one animation' problem.

I would need them to move back with the wings AND pivot to face forwards.

Maybe in OFP2?  

Ah, didnt think of that, so how does the real plane handle it?

Even if you can't make the wings swing and have the weapons move, i think using the psuedo proxy system would still be a good idea, you could have fuel tanks, LGB's, AIM-9's and maybe a couple of AGM's all on the same plane, no other addon has given an aircraft a realistic loadout yet, would be great if you did.

[Skaircro 0]

It wouldn't work with sweeping wings as the bombs and bomb racks would end up with a huge toe-out.

How do you mean?

Kinda like this (ignoring the combination of plane colours).

The bomb pseudo proxies would move with the wings, but the weapon pylons cant pivot to face forwards.

They are included with the wing animation, and it comes back to the 'objects cant have more than one animation' problem.

I would need them to move back with the wings AND pivot to face forwards.

Maybe in OFP2?  

Ah, didnt think of that, so how does the real plane handle it?

Even if you can't make the wings swing and have the weapons move, i think using the psuedo proxy system would still be a good idea, you could have fuel tanks, LGB's, AIM-9's and maybe a couple of AGM's all on the same plane, no other addon has given an aircraft a realistic loadout yet, would be great if you did.

On the real plane there is 4 hard points on each wing, but only the inner 2 on each wing are able to pivot.

They are automatically controlled in relation to the angle of the wings.

Thats why you rarely see them with full loadout. If they have to sweep the wings at any stage they would need to jettison the outer pylons.

Though apparently they did do this occasionally in Vietnam. They would take off with full loadout (48 mk82's), drop the bombs on the outer pylons first, then jettison the bomb racks and pylons.

Here is a RAAF plane with full loadout (I'm guessing for photo purposes only!)

I'm still not too keen on using psuedo proxies just yet, mainly cause most my weapons are currently using 2 or 3 different textures, and I'm too lazy to go and retexture them all again just at the moment.

And with 24 bombs on the mk82 plane, thats alot of selections to make and config. I'll see what happens.

And just to put Miles Teg's mind at rest, here is a realy low-res pic of the plane with US decals.

And there will be grey AND camo planes, both with US decals.

I'm going to change the current pilot with the Aussie flag so he has no flag on his shoulder. That way it wont look odd having an Aussie pilot in a US plane.