Guest Posted June 9, 2003 I stand by both of those statements. Of course you do, that's what makes it so amusing Quote[/b] ]Unlike you who seem to think he has all the influence of a small pebble somewhere in the Indian Ocean. Not Indian Ocean. He has the influence of a small pebble in the Atlantic Ocean My point remains the same. Britain is not nearly powerful enough to stand by itself. It's choice is either to accept its place in Europe or to go along with the USA. What I'm saying is that Britain will have a far greater influence in the EU than it can ever hope to have in USA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted June 9, 2003 Well, denoir, if you're really serious about wanting a unified Europe, then Dubya ought to be one of your best friends, since he's the only guy who can provide the motivation for you guys to stop fighting with each other Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renagade 0 Posted June 9, 2003 Denoir- Quote[/b] ]"You can't, becaue your rather restrictive laws does not allow you to have a shotgun" Thats not strictly true. If hes a landowner/farmer with good reason to own firearms then a shotgun will be available to him. Just me being a picky EU type person  Whos laws are chosen above others? Does Germany in the future loosen labour laws or do others tighten? And the same question on every relevant issue. Who loses, who gains? My instinct says the politicos will tend to gain greater power and the people will lose it. Only a double barrel or a pump that can hold 3 shells with one in chamber and a myriad of rules to go with it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PitViper 0 Posted June 9, 2003 What I fear is many people in Europe aren't aware of the magnitude of what is about to happen within the next decades. They don't see the chances and opportunities we have right now. You'll need to take advantage of them before Europe hits its social-demographic/socialism trainwreck in a few decades ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PitViper 0 Posted June 9, 2003 If you forget them, you also forget what they cost you - and you might forget that Europe never had 50 years of peace in a row for several thousands of years... For Central Europe we now have 58 years of peace, that means we must have done something right. No, it means larger powers were "fighting" the cold war in your region during that time period, thus relegating your quarrels to the backburners for half a century. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 9, 2003 True, but living on that edge (combined with the experiences of WW1 & WW2) has led to a certain mentality. We consider it an evolutionary step, away from war and violent conflict through international cooperation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PitViper 0 Posted June 9, 2003 It's my personal belief that centralizing power in EU will start trampling the individual nature of each European country. Â The way the EU constitution is working out to be, it appears far more like European supranationalism as opposed to federalism. They will pay your fears lip service of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 9, 2003 Nah, you can read the latest draft of the constitution here. It's far more open and less regulating than for instance the US constitution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USSoldier11B 0 Posted June 10, 2003 Quote[/b] ]Nah, you can read the latest draft of the constitution here. It's far more open and less regulating than for instance the US constitution. Wasn't that kind of the point? You're not an American, so you don't really know what it's like to live here.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jinef 2 Posted June 10, 2003 We get the picture of what it's like to live in the US, half my family lives in New York, so i've stayed there for a while. Once you take the exaggeration factor out it's just like the movies! I find it funny watching a program like cops, it's like watching rugby, big heavy guys hurling themselves at this little guy who's been attracted by the pretty flashy lights. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HotShot 0 Posted June 10, 2003 We get the picture of what it's like to live in the US, half my family lives in New York, so i've stayed there for a while. Well i'm not surprised 1/2 your family moved to New York. I mean what does Wales have? Sheep? Quote[/b] ]watching a program like cops, it's like watching rugby, big heavy guys hurling themselves at this little guy Persoanally i prefere Female mud wrestling, but what ever takes your fancy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Postduifje 0 Posted June 10, 2003 Well, it sure is a close vote here, and it seems we'll may have a referendum here in the Netherlands too soon about the new constitution. I just hope me fellow countryman vote wise, and not just in there own self interest. -Post Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IsthatyouJohnWayne 0 Posted June 10, 2003 Surely voting in their own interests is the wise thing to do? Are you acknowledging that the constitution works against your national interest but that nonetheless you think it wise to proceed in implementing it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killagee 0 Posted June 11, 2003 Racing commentator's voice: The poll is still neck to neck! It could be a photo finish!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Postduifje 0 Posted June 11, 2003 Surely voting in their own interests is the wise thing to do?Are you acknowledging that the constitution works against your national interest but that nonetheless you think it wise to proceed in implementing it? I meant that they must look further than the sort term self interest. Doing anything to keep your own identity, legislation and power seems best now, but if you look at the greater picture, and longterm, a European constitution is the way to go. -Post Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Albert Schweitzer 10 Posted June 11, 2003 Quote[/b] ]EU become USA 2.0 Yeah, but I fear we will first need a few versions of 1.1 1.2. .....1.1 beta..... 1.99999 . Right now there is too much debugging that needs to be done! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jinef 2 Posted June 11, 2003 USE, sounds better. My grandmother moved to New York from Italy when she was a child, she married someone who's mother was Ukranian, my grandmother's son (my father) was touring Europe sampling the wom..wine and he came across Britain, got married and has been here longer than the US (still got the accent strangely enough). I was born in Hereford, England and then moved to Wales when i was 4, i then grew up here and got strangely attached to this shithole Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-TU--33ker 0 Posted June 11, 2003 we learnd some Welsh words in school. I think I still know the Welsh word for cheers, but can't write it down. Greetings to Cymru! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IsthatyouJohnWayne 0 Posted June 11, 2003 Jinef- Your father was American? This maybe explains some things... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallenPaladin 0 Posted June 11, 2003 Well, I`ve got some distant family members (somehow connected to my dead grandmother) in Canada. That sure explains a lot, too. Â Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IsthatyouJohnWayne 0 Posted June 11, 2003 Im sure it does but significantly less i would have to say. I was speaking more from a Freudian perspective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jinef 2 Posted June 11, 2003 LOL M8! Yeah, it would explain my rather negative stance towards the yanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PitViper 0 Posted June 12, 2003 Yeah, it would explain my rather negative stance towards the yanks. I believe that "yank" is an insensitive and bigoted slur for an American. Â Please cease and desist in using that term. Â Thank you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Jinef 2 Posted June 12, 2003 I will just use it when i'm particurly annoyed and bigoted then. Also you don't need two verbs in that sentence, desist sounds better so cease is superfluous. It's like saying "Would you kindly stop and stop what you are doing sir". It sounds silly and as my Dad used to say it (i nagged him until he stopped) i assume it's an Americanism Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
