Ofp2 set in vietnam

[Major Fubar 0]

Don't forget there were other countries involved besides USA and Vietnam involved - some Aussie troops would be nice...

[M1carbine9 0]

Ahhh I really hope OFP2 isn't vietnam... I'm really looking foward to a nice new ficticious modern conflict, with tons of new features and old friends. but I dread this will be Nam

[haunted 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ahhh I really hope OFP2 isn't vietnam... I'm really looking foward to a nice new ficticious modern conflict, with tons of new features and old friends. but I dread this will be Nam<span id='postcolor'> Believe it or not I felt the same way when I saw OFP in its original name as Flashpoint 1985: Status Quo. I though, bugger 1985, I wanna play with state of the art M249's and state of the art weaponry, but I still loved OFP. I know the modern leap is a biggen from the nam era to now, but look at it brightly, you might not get the weapons you crave, but you'd get a setting that could be so diverse you wouldnt care if you uses a water pistol

[Acecombat 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Major Fubar @ 01 May 2003,04:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Don't forget there were other countries involved besides USA and Vietnam involved - some Aussie troops would be nice... <span id='postcolor'>

Yeah we wanna se some SASR missions who at least had a steady record better then the americans

[haunted 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah we wanna se some SASR missions who at least had a steady record better then the americans <span id='postcolor'> And the British SAS have even better records than the aussie SASR.

[Acecombat 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (haunted @ 02 May 2003,03:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah we wanna se some SASR missions who at least had a steady record better then the americans <span id='postcolor'> And the British SAS have even better records than the aussie SASR.<span id='postcolor'>

You are joking right ?

[haunted 0]

Of course not.

Also, there are many Aussies and new zealanders in the British SAS, which is a testement to you guys

[haunted 0]

I would like to see how the enact the brutality the american forces had at the time, will be like they are portrayed in the movies, or as kind considerate troops??

[Eviscerator 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (haunted @ 02 May 2003,13:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I would like to see how the enact the brutality the american forces had at the time, will be like they are portrayed in the movies, or as kind considerate troops??<span id='postcolor'>

I think it would be wrong for BIS to stereotype all the US soldiers as cruel, brutal, monsters. There was probably a large mix of different personalities and views on how the enemy should be treated, a lot of the troops sent out there were scared young teenagers after all...

[Supah 0]

I would like it more if it was the vietnam era US army against the russian army of that time we all know how US vs Vietnam went, im more interested in how a (small scale non nuclear) conflict of the US against the USSR would have gone

[ShadowY 0]

If its going to be a NAM thingy I would like to know if the side of Resistance is reserved for the VC? and the NVA for East(logical).

If BiS is planning to place South Vietnam as Resistance well then I think that`s *&^%$@#*# if you know what I mean

[ruff 102]

british sas werent in vietnam

they were in borneo

i do beleive british sas do have a better record the sasr

but both beat the americans

dunno how the seals went though in vietnam

all i know is that they were involved in a black op mission of the phenoex project

where they kidnapped or assassinated vietcong leaders and even sometimes kidnapped influential civillians

sasr also provided some training for the operatives

[ruff 102]

i just really wish ofp 2 would be the present

u got afghanistan war

u got the 2 gulfwars

somalia conflict

just hope they use these wars instead of vietnam

coz vietnams too old

too much politics and there are no real good guys

if it was based in the gulf 1 or 2

at least other countries can be used instead of just america

[Eviscerator 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ruff @ 02 May 2003,16<!--emo&)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i just really wish ofp 2 would be the present

u got  afghanistan war

u got the 2 gulfwars

somalia conflict

just hope they use these wars instead of vietnam

coz vietnams too old

too much politics and there are no real good guys

if it was based in the gulf 1 or 2

at least other countries can be used instead of just america<span id='postcolor'>

The Wars/Campaigns you suggest dont really suit OFP, both Gulf Wars were relatively easy to win, there wasnt a whole lot of resistance, and were remarkably short, a 100 hour land war in the first Gulf War and a 4 week land war in the second, Somalia is also a pretty bad scenario to put in ofp, there would be too many polygons, and with the scale of ofp you wouldnt be able to hide the fact that the whole city (when talking about Mogadishu) is not modelled as in DF:BHD, also not a whole lot happened, it was mainly peace keeping, and the Deltas/Rangers/SOAR were only there for 8(?) weeks, so not really enough to fill a campaign and several single player missions with...also if you only want it for the 'Irene' mission, then maybe you should be playing DF:BHD instead...

Also, if you mean the modern Afghanistan war, there was also not much resistance, it would be mainly a special forces oriented game, and still, not much action.

Vietnam is one of the only conflicts in the last century (barring both world wars) that was actually hard fought, the Americans, Australians, the ARVN and several other nations were in a relentless battle for over a decade, there were also numerous different styles of warfare, and numerous times they were used allowing many different options for both a campaign and missions, and as i mentioned before there are many nationalities other than american that fought, also whats to say BIS wont do a Red Hammer style mission from the VC/NVA perspective?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If its going to be a NAM thingy    I would like to know if the side of Resistance is reserved for the VC? and the NVA for East(logical).

If BiS is planning to place South Vietnam as Resistance well then I think that`s *&^%$@#*# if you know what I mean <span id='postcolor'>

I'm not too sure what the difference would be, both the NVA and the VC were on one side, and the Americans and the ARVN (and others) were on the other side, what would be logical to have as resistance is Vietnamese villagers, as some worked with the VC and yet some tried to expel them...Also, whats to say the 'sides' will be the same as OFP:CWC?

Oh, and im not american, just incase people think thats why im taking this viewpoint...

[haunted 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think it would be wrong for BIS to stereotype all the US soldiers as cruel, brutal, monsters. There was probably a large mix of different personalities and views on how the enemy should be treated, a lot of the troops sent out there were scared young teenagers after all... <span id='postcolor'>

Maybe so, but if BIS want to be historically correct...

[ebud 18]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (haunted @ 02 May 2003,16:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think it would be wrong for BIS to stereotype all the US soldiers as cruel, brutal, monsters. There was probably a large mix of different personalities and views on how the enemy should be treated, a lot of the troops sent out there were scared young teenagers after all... <span id='postcolor'>

Maybe so, but if BIS want to be historically correct...<span id='postcolor'>

Then what... they should show VC/NVA using terror tactics such as murdering thousands of civilians in Hue, cutting off the breasts of female family members of Western aligned village chiefs? I could go on, but I'm sure it would mean nothing to you since both of us seem to have our minds made up on how to look at that situation. You may find facts that support your claim, but the overall US strategy was not to use terror and murder of civilians to keep them in line, but it was an an approved and well know tactic used by both the NVA and VC.

[Schoeler 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (haunted @ 02 May 2003,13:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I would like to see how the enact the brutality the american forces had at the time, will be like they are portrayed in the movies, or as kind considerate troops??<span id='postcolor'>

WTF are you talking about? Dude, watch less movies, read more books. You average American in Vietnam was a scared 19 year old draftee with a 10th grade education and a family and factory job to return home to. Atrocities occurred, but they occurin almost every war. Ebud is right. Look up the atrocities committed by the VC and NVA. Their strategy was based in large part upon terror. The U.S. strategy centered on winning of hearts and minds. Your claims and those words don't exactly match up now do they?

My Dad served in Vietnam twice, and he's no monster. Neither was my Uncle, whose name is now on a shiny black wall in Washington D.C. Statements like that do nothing but make you look like a completely ignorant asshole.

[LaPoieto 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Schoeler @ 02 May 2003,20:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Neither was my Uncle, whose name is now on a shiny black wall in Washington D.C.  <span id='postcolor'>

[zverushka 0]

BIS making a game based on the soviet-afghan war would be cool, but I'm afraid, impossible. A war with soviets as good guys is unthinkable. I wouldn't think BIS would want to portray the afghans as good because of the taliban and al-qaeda. No offense, but one time, I started talking with a czech in english, who thought I was a pole. He was friendly enough, but when he learned I was russian, something in him switched, and he looked at me with loathing and went away with some half-arsed excuse.

Therefore, the Balkans would be the best. Serbs can't be good guys because they were "commies", so smack in a general buba or muba and fight as the croatians or bosnians.

[ShadowY 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Schoeler @ 02 May 2003,20:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The U.S. strategy centered on winning of hearts and minds.  Your claims and those words don't exactly match up now do they?<span id='postcolor'>

heheh, you are joking do you?

[Azatoth 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Schoeler @ 02 May 2003,20:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> The U.S. strategy centered on winning of hearts and minds.<span id='postcolor'>

Only for your heart and mind !!!

Best napalm from USA - absolutly FREE !!!

[Schoeler 0]

Yeah, like most of you guys weren't even a glint in someones eye during the Vietnam war, but now your all experts. Well, I was at least alive during that time period and from then until now I'd have to say I have read over 500 books on this war. You see, I have this fixation with it since most of them men in my family fought there. Do some reading for christ's sake. U.S. strategy focused upon pacification in the South. We wanted to win the hearts and minds of the villagers and break the VC. Any dipshit with a 9th grade education can find a shitload of references to this with a minimal knowledge of search engines on the internet. Or better yet, go the the friggin library and look it up. I can't sit here all day and educate your ignorant asses.

[haunted 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">WTF are you talking about? Dude, watch less movies, read more books. You average American in Vietnam was a scared 19 year old draftee with a 10th grade education and a family and factory job to return home to. Atrocities occurred, but they occurin almost every war. Ebud is right. Look up the atrocities committed by the VC and NVA. Their strategy was based in large part upon terror. The U.S. strategy centered on winning of hearts and minds. Your claims and those words don't exactly match up now do they?

My Dad served in Vietnam twice, and he's no monster. Neither was my Uncle, whose name is now on a shiny black wall in Washington D.C. Statements like that do nothing but make you look like a completely ignorant asshole.

<span id='postcolor'>

Then maybe BIS will do that.

Hearts and minds? Pfft... the US version of hearts and minds seems to be going great guns in Iraq.

Oh, and about 'nam movies.... you think American film makers are going to create a movie showing the americans off as complete trigger happy arseholes knowing that the USA is its main market? Maybe just cause they actually looked at History for once people dont like it. The same would be said about the British if it showed them in Saving Private Ryan, yes, they were there, but that wouldnt suit the average American.

I'm not saying that all Americans were bad, that would be just stupid...

[ebud 18]

And your point is? What? Just come out and say what you mean. Either shit or get off the pot. Don't tiptoe around the topic. You bring up Iraq. So some fanatics blaze away through a crowd at US troops then they, the US troops retaliate. Boo hoo, grow TFU. Thats just the response they (the gunmen in the crowd) wanted. Get back to the topic. War is ugly and bad things happen, but by God, the US will do the "right" thing in most situations. Even if it's for the wrong reasons. Like in Vietnam (the topic) we DID go in there with the strategy to employ the strategic hamlet project whereby we would try and play nice, gain the villagers trust and try and make them "Like us" so that it might override the terror tactics used by the VC. A FUCKING FACT. It didn't work, but that was the plan. Not murder and terror to keep them in line, but treating sick children, giving away water buffalo, supplying even more rice than the VC could steal, supplying arms to villages so they could try and keep the VC from stealing their children/money/rice. Now you bring up Iraq. A few protestors get killed because agitators in the crowd fire at US troops to get a response that they KNOW will get civies killed. If you think that is not the case, then your dummer than a rock. There is no comparison to Vietnam. Not even close in strategy or tactics, so I suggest learning all you can about the Vietnam War before you make another comment that show just how little you really know about it.

[Schoeler 0]

Also, 'Nam was a guerilla war fought in a jungle environment against a politcally and emotionally determined and capable enemy over a ten year span. Name one such action, I dare you, that hasn't resulted in some nastiness. You're gonna be looking for a long, long, fucking interminably long time because there isn't one. Shit, even Ghengis Khan could have told you that fighting guerillas is messy.

I'll tell you what, I'll go through my bookshelf and give you a complete list of titles I've read on Vietnam and you do the same. Sort of a literary pecker contest. We'll see who's more knowledgable then. Go for it, but give me a day or two to type up all the titles