shadow 6 Posted March 25, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ Mar. 25 2003,08:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">u know what would be funny,if they dropped a shitload of cs gas on the towns to flush em out<span id='postcolor'> That's what I was thinking the other day when the B-52s took off I said to myself that they should switch from explosive ordnance to CS-bombs aboard the BUFFs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhoCares 0 Posted March 25, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ Mar. 25 2003,08:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">u know what would be funny,if they dropped a shitload of cs gas on the towns to flush em out and why arent they air dropping tanks ??<span id='postcolor'> CS gas is not allowed in war. It is only allowed for riot control. That's according to the Geneva Convention. The problem with it is, that the opponent just sees that you used gas. That might make him think that he should use gas as well... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZIKAN 0 Posted March 25, 2003 What about using some of that crazy stuff they used in the Moscow Theatre siege Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted March 25, 2003 Colation convoy going through Nassiriya. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 25, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ Mar. 25 2003,08:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">u know what would be funny,if they dropped a shitload of cs gas on the towns to flush em out and why arent they air dropping tanks ??<span id='postcolor'> CS gas is not suitable for large areas. It can be lethal in too high doses and you could imagine the negative publicity it would get if American-British forces used chemical weapons and gassed Iraqi soldiers. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Colation convoy going through Nassiriya.<span id='postcolor'> That's an important development. Yesterday they were stuck for hours and had it extended to days it would be disasterous for the forward elements. Logistics is the key to everything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Loc-Dog 0 Posted March 25, 2003 My hart goes out to the marines that incounter the republican guard right about now. Those guys are wearing civil clothing. Hard to spott.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhoCares 0 Posted March 25, 2003 About the request for maps of the region, I already posted links to globalsecurity.org a few pages back. Some are of the region in general, other are about what is going on according to the DoD. Maybe the Mods should extent the topic of the collecting news links thread to such general informations like maps as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bernadotte 0 Posted March 25, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 25 2003,01:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"...Congress earlier approved 100 billion dollars for military costs and an additional 10 billion dollars for humanitarian aid. Investors are worrying about the war breaking the US economy. Others believe that once the war is over the Iraqi oil industry will be able to pay the bill" - Wall Street Journal<span id='postcolor'> However, the US taxpayer would probably be left to pay that bill if they end up not finding any WMDs, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted March 25, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Mar. 25 2003,10:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 25 2003,01:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"...Congress earlier approved 100 billion dollars for military costs and an additional 10 billion dollars for humanitarian aid. Investors are worrying about the war breaking the US economy. Others believe that once the war is over the Iraqi oil industry will be able to pay the bill" - Wall Street Journal<span id='postcolor'> However, the US taxpayer would probably be left to pay that bill if they end up not finding any WMDs, right?<span id='postcolor'> politics goes to the other Iraq thread please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 25, 2003 On the topic of WMD:s British-American forces have so far not found any traces of chemical weapons or other weapons of mass destriction said general Stanley McChrystal at Pentagon. The claims that the factory found in Najaf was used to produce chemical weapons has been withdrawn. -DPA/DN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted March 25, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WhoCares @ Mar. 25 2003,10:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Maybe the Mods should extent the topic of the collecting news links thread to such general informations like maps as well.<span id='postcolor'> indeed a great idea. thanks for expanding utility of this forum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 25, 2003 Here is what FAS has to say about the Republican Guard. Note however that FAS is not the most reliable source of information, so the information might not be accurate: </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Republican Guard During the late 1970s and the mid-1980s, the Iraqi armed forces underwent many changes in size, structure, arms supplies, hierarchy, deployment, and political character. Headquartered in Baghdad, the army--of an estimated 1.7 million or more Iraqis, including reserves (actual numbers not available) and paramilitary--in 1987 had seven corps, five armored divisions (each with one armored brigade and one mechanized brigade), and three mechanized divisions (each with one armored brigade and two or more mechanized brigades). And by the close of the Iran-lraq war the Iraqi Army General Headquarters supervised up to ten corps headquarters, which performed administrative and logistical tasks and directed operations. Each corps commanded as many as ten armored, mechanized, or infantry divisions, depending on the tactical situation. The brigade was normally the smallest unit to operate independently. Also subordinate to the General Headquarters but separate from the regulars was the corps size Republican Guard Forces Command, which constitutes the shock troops of Iraq's military. Originally created to protect the government, its tanks, mechanized infantry, infantry, and special forces had done well in the Iran-lraq war as a theater reserve for counterattacking Iranian breakthroughs. By 1987 this Force had grown to three armored divisions, one infantry division, and one commando division. Saddam Hussein's August 1990 offensive into Kuwait with Republican Guard, mechanized, and special forces caused concern in Washington and Riyadh over whether the Iraqis would continue their drive south into Saudi Arabia. In September 1990 the Iraqis repositioned their troops, with infantry units taking the place of mechanized formations along the border, mechanized troops moving into immediate reserve, and the Republican Guard five full divisions and a separate regiment redeploying into theater reserve, just north of the Iraq-Kuwait border. The envelopment and destruction of Republican Guard units was a high priority of Coalition planners. During the Desert Storm ground campaign the American 24th Infantry Division encountered the heaviest resistance of the war. The Iraqi 47th and 49th Infantry Divisions, the Nebuchadnezzar Division of the Republican Guard, and the 26th Commando Brigade took heavy fire but stood and fought, but the 24th Division trapped most of the Republican Guard divisions. The 1st Armored Division hit the Tawakalna Division of the Republican Guard, and the 3d Armored Division fought its toughest battles in defeating elements of the Tawakalna Division. These Armored Divisions subsequently engaged remnants of the Tawalzalaa, Madina, and Adnan Divisions of the Republican Guard. The Republican Guard, currently consisting of seven divisions, is commanded by Qusai Saddam Hussein, and the Chief of Staff is Staff General Ibrahim Abd Al Sattar Mohammad Al-Tikriti. A typical Republican Guard armored division would include the following elements: Divisional Headquarters 2 Tank Brigades  3 Tank Battalions  1 Mechanized Infantry Battalions  1 Motorized Special Forces Company  1 Engineering Company  1 Reconaissance Platoon  1 Medium Rocket Launcher Battery 1 Mechanized Infantry Brigade  3 Mechanized Infantry Battalions  1 Tank Battalion  1 Antitank Company  1 Motorized Special Forces Company  1 Engineering Company  1 Reconaissance Platoon  1 Medium Rocket Launcher Battery Divisional Artillery Brigade  3 Self-Propelled Artillery Battalions (155mm SP)  2 Self-Propelled Artillery Battalions (152mm SP)  2 Self-Propelled Artillery Battalions (122mm SP) Seperate Units:  3 Motorized Special Forces Battalions  1 Reconaissance Battalion  1 Antitank Battalion  1 Engineer Battalion <span id='postcolor'> Seven divisions? They were talking about two divisions outside Baghdad. Let's say that one more division is split up on the different cities, providing moral and political support for the regulars (not confirmed). That would leave 4 whole divisions in Baghdad. Since Saddam promised MOUT the two divisions outside Baghdad will probably withdraw into the city. Besides the Republican guard there is the "Special Republican Guard" that consists of over 25,000 men that are exclusivly assinged to protect Saddam and the Baath party. Then we also have the FedayeenSaddam - Saddam's martyrs ("Men of Sacrifice") that have a total of 40,000 men. They report directly to Saddam and not to the military command, providing a politically reliable backbone to Saddams power. These are forces that Bush and Blair have said "have no future in Iraq" so they will fight. They are mostly in and around Baghdad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted March 25, 2003 I won't be surprised if some of RG has been sent to Saddam's home town(can't remember the name), and places btw Baghdad and there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted March 25, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 25 2003,08:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"Iraqi fadayin forces have infilitrated the colition lines near Basra and destroyed 11 tanks and a fuel depot. Two American soldiers were killed" - Al-Jazeera<span id='postcolor'> 11 tanks knocked out and only 2 killed? Hm......... Heavy Iraqi elite troop casualties on the road to Baghdad (Jerusalem Post subscribers only). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted March 25, 2003 A defaced portrait of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein in the port of Umm-Qasr in southern Iraq, March 23, 2003. Iraqi troops and paramilitary fighters loyal to President Saddam Hussein held up a U.S. advance toward Baghdad on Sunday, inflicting casualties and taking American prisoners on the fourth day of war. Isn't this against the Crayola Convention? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted March 25, 2003 Hello Mom, Hello Dad. Things in Iraq, Ain't so bad. You remember, Saddam Hussein? He is stuck in Baghdad, And he's missed the last train. OK. So I'm not a poet. Anyone for Haiku? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhoCares 0 Posted March 25, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 25 2003,11:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 25 2003,08:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"Iraqi fadayin forces have infilitrated the colition lines near Basra and destroyed 11 tanks and a fuel depot. Two American soldiers were killed" - Al-Jazeera<span id='postcolor'> 11 tanks knocked out and only 2 killed? Hm.........<span id='postcolor'> James Gastowski must have changed sides! Or the russians send Dimiti Lurkin And home town of Saddam would be Tikrit. Other stronger points (at least as strong as An Nasiriyah) might be Al Amarah, Al Kut, Ar Ramadi, obviously Karbala, Al Fallujah and Al Musayyib; basically all places crossing rivers as there are the tactical options limited for the attacker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 25, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 25 2003,11:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyone for Haiku? <span id='postcolor'> I think that IsthatyouJohnWayne has one in his signature: </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> War is HELL! Along the DMZ not one flower <span id='postcolor'> Modern Haiku though since it's 3-5-3 and not the classical 5-7-5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CosmicCastaway 0 Posted March 25, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 25 2003,12:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> Nope, I'm sorry you've failed your test.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Necromancer- 0 Posted March 25, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ Mar. 25 2003,08:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">u know what would be funny,if they dropped a shitload of cs gas on the towns to flush em out<span id='postcolor'> It would be more funny if the US use enormous quantities of weed to make everyone in the cities high. Doubt that would happend, because all the weed will probably smoked up by the Americans themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow 6 Posted March 25, 2003 Parts of Basra have been taken by British "Desert Rats": Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted March 25, 2003 /envisions 100s of saddam portraits and murals soon on ebay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted March 25, 2003 NEWS: Baghdad bombed again. Convoys passing through Nassiriya all day. Coalition forces 60 miles from Baghdad. Iraqi tanks destroyed and routed at Basra. Um Qasr apparently "Safe and open". Major concern of an Iraqi chemical attack once coalition forces advance on Baghdad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oligo 1 Posted March 25, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 25 2003,09:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Colation convoy going through Nassiriya.<span id='postcolor'> I guess the Iraqi generals have something to learn yet. They have fought, what, three days or so in Nassiriya, but the Iraqis have not blown the two bridges across Euphrates. The german commanders that fought in Operation Market Garden are surely turning in their graves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Albert Schweitzer 10 Posted March 25, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shadow @ Mar. 25 2003,12:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Parts of Basra have been taken by British "Desert Rats": <span id='postcolor'> Due to his size the soldier in the middle is 20% less likely to get a head-shot!!!! Right or wrong?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
