Tanks against choppers

[Tonebender 0]

I find it interesting that AI tank enemys never shoot at your helicopter, yet the sabot is quite an effective anti-chopper weapon in your own hands (better IMHO than, say, a Vulcan). I realize that the game could be too hard if enemy tanks could shoot at you in the air, but how does it work in the real world? Are tank sabots and heats used against aircraft? The only obvious disadvantage I can see in the game is the limited vertical field of fire compared to Shilkas and Vulcans.

Any input on this?

[theavonlady 2]

I would assume it is a rare opportunity in real life to find a helo flying slow enough for a tank gunner to have a chance at hitting it.

You would have to alter OFP's tank targetting AI to consider the speed of the target:

IF LT 5 KPH THEN SHOOT

[stgn 39]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 13 2003,11:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I would assume it is a rare opportunity in real life to find a helo flying slow enough for a tank gunner to have a chance at hitting it.<span id='postcolor'>

Year I have tryed to aim whit a Leopard 1 DK5 and it is very dificult(I am civilian only tryed it once, much easier to drive one) so even if you are a trained tank gunner I think it would be rader dificult to hit a chopper that is flying fast. this is also the reason why tanks have AA guns: Abrams have the M2 50 cal. The Leopard 1 DK5 have the M62(MG3) it is just in the loaders side not in the comanders as on the Abrams.

STGN

[JAP 2]

I suggest downloading the Sigma tank packs.

They engage choppers and they do it good ...

Sigma T80 tankpack V0.3

Sigma Adversary tankpack (T72's-Abrams-T90- etc ... ) V0.5

Putting these tanks into missions really give them a serious boost !

I never make any mission without them, they are beautiful and though.

Cheers

[acidcrash 0]

agreed, they are very deadly with their NSV's... many a time ive ended up ditching because they shot me up so badly

[mr. Duck 0]

Shooting at choppers with tanks is nice, but on the other hand if you allow that, you should make the A.I. chopper pilots a bit better (no need for scripting, just mess around with waypoints). You could make em pop up behind a tree line or mountain, unleash a missile barrage and leave. That's what I make the A.I. do.

[OxPecker 0]

Sorry to go O/T, but who is the babe in your avatar Tonebender? Is it Rebecca Staimos?

Anyway, back ontopic, ingame tanks should engage chopper with the MGs a lot more than they do.

I even think infantry should pop off a few shots if you are low enough too (not just MG operators).

[Jester983 0]

Yes, Oxpecker is right. Tanks should use their MGs to try and shoot you done if you are low enough... Ive had it happen quite often.

[OxPecker 0]

I could be wrong, but it seems OFP treats some choppers as vulnerable to bullets, and some not.

Infanty MGs and tanks with MGs seem to engage AH-1, AH-64 and OH-58, but not Mi-17 or Mi-24.

[Greg 0]

Speaking of unusual enagements or targets of opportunity, I recall a story about a US Airforce pilot, who during the 1991 Gulf War dropped a bomb on an Iraqi helicopter which was in flight.

Speaking of the topic at hand:

pvt: "There's a enemy helicopter hovering over there, permission to engage?"

sgt: "negative, that's not standard operating procedure."

*boom*

pvt: *oh no, 2 is down*

sgt: *1 is down*

[N.o.R.S.u 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (OxPecker @ Mar. 14 2003,00:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I could be wrong, but it seems OFP treats some choppers as vulnerable to bullets, and some not.

Infanty MGs and tanks with MGs seem to engage AH-1, AH-64 and OH-58, but not Mi-17 or Mi-24.<span id='postcolor'>

AH-1, AH-64 and OH-58 have all breakable windows, so that's why AI engages them. Russian choppers don't have them, though Mi-17's window can also be shot but you have to aim a certain point .

[Ruskiesrule 0]

I've had a russian platoon of T-80s shooting at my Cobra with their machinegun, they killed my gunner and then managed to kill me.

And their are ways to easily shoot a chopper with a shell, which is of course when its flying towards you and over you.

[Ruskiesrule 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Greg @ Mar. 14 2003,11:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Speaking of unusual enagements or targets of opportunity, I recall a story about a US Airforce pilot, who during the 1991 Gulf War dropped a bomb on an Iraqi helicopter which was in flight.<span id='postcolor'>

Certain Air to Ground guided bombs can target low flying aircraft (It mite inclued aircraft quite far below).

I can remember the bomb name, but the larger version of what we all call the ofp LGB is one that can target low flying aircraft.

The aircraft will have to be slow, like choppers.

[Shashman 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Greg @ Mar. 14 2003,12:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Speaking of unusual enagements or targets of opportunity, I recall a story about a US Airforce pilot, who during the 1991 Gulf War dropped a bomb on an Iraqi helicopter which was in flight.

Speaking of the topic at hand:

pvt: "There's a enemy helicopter hovering over there, permission to engage?"

sgt: "negative, that's not standard operating procedure."

*boom*

pvt: *oh no, 2 is down*

sgt: *1 is down*<span id='postcolor'>

As long as the laser can be kept on the target, any LGB should be able to hit the target (of course it depends on the velocity of the platform dropping it and its attitude but in theory it should hit the mark). On that occasion it was an F-15E and the LGB used was a GBU-12 which is the smallest LGB (MK-82 500lbs), so it would be quite possible.

Lol...if the aircrew could use time to take out flying choppers with LGBs it's gotta tell you how hard it was for them out there..heh...They musta been pissing themselves with laughter.

[haunted 0]

WHen we play C&H Maps, namely the EFL map Everon C&H, we find it very easy to use the T80 or M1a1 to shoot down the helicopters, probably too easy infact, because as soon as the chopper goes to turn suddenly, it slows down, and boom, goodbye sweetheart.

[Jinef 2]

You have as much as 20 metres of deviation in LGBs in real life.

It was a very lucky shot and i'm definitely not going to fly under any US jets again.

[Gaswell 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 12 2003,12:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I would assume it is a rare opportunity in real life to find a helo flying slow enough for a tank gunner to have a chance at hitting it.<span id='postcolor'>

A Norwegian ex-tanker (gunner) once told me shooting down a helo wasn't as difficult as you'd imagine. Most helos wouldn't survive a large-calibre high-speed round passing near the blades, so you didn't really need a direct hit.

That's what they had been told in training, anyway.

[DracoPaladore 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 13 2003,11:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I would assume it is a rare opportunity in real life to find a helo flying slow enough for a tank gunner to have a chance at hitting it.

You would have to alter OFP's tank targetting AI to consider the speed of the target:

IF LT 5 KPH THEN SHOOT

<span id='postcolor'>

Oddly enough they shoot their machine guns at jets. I've always found that odd for the AI to shoot me going 400kmph circling them when they won't shoot my 75kph chopper

[toadeater 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DracoPaladore @ Mar. 22 2003,16:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oddly enough they shoot their machine guns at jets. I've always found that odd for the AI to shoot me going 400kmph circling them when they won't shoot my 75kph chopper   <span id='postcolor'>

They must have been trained in Iraq?

And you thought the OFP AI was bad.

Nothing like trying to shoot down 1990s jets with 1950s AA guns. Although, the Serbs did succeed in downing an F-117 that way somehow.

[DracoPaladore 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (toadeater @ Mar. 22 2003,22:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DracoPaladore @ Mar. 22 2003,16:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oddly enough they shoot their machine guns at jets. I've always found that odd for the AI to shoot me going 400kmph circling them when they won't shoot my 75kph chopper   <span id='postcolor'>

They must have been trained in Iraq?

And you thought the OFP AI was bad.  

Nothing like trying to shoot down 1990s jets with 1950s AA guns. Although, the Serbs did succeed in downing an F-117 that way somehow.<span id='postcolor'>

Strangly enough, they hit the plane too. If they are Iraqi's, they've been trained pretty damn good