At what point does a war become a massacre?

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (garth @ 10 May 2003,08:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">YES! We kicked another defenseless country's ass. USA! USA! USA! Now we get cheap oil! YES! USA! USA! We rule! Go Bush. Let's invade Luxemburg! USA!  

I'm so PROUD to be American right now!  

..... and people ask why we Americans are unpopular in the world  <span id='postcolor'>

Pah...who cares about civillian casualties. I am just a little bit sad about the National muesum of history in Bagdad....besides...I could still go to Disneyworld

[syco 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (garth @ 10 May 2003,08:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">YES! We kicked another defenseless country's ass. USA! USA! USA! Now we get cheap oil! YES! USA! USA! We rule! Go Bush. Let's invade Luxemburg! USA!  

I'm so PROUD to be American right now!  

..... and people ask why we Americans are unpopular in the world  <span id='postcolor'>

Hey Garth, how old are you dude? 12? 13? Why don't you take that American Flag off your avatar you piece of shit? Defenseless country? You think Iraq was a DEFENSELESS COUNTRY you jackoff?! What are you a freaking MORON?! Do you know ANYTHING about Iraq's military capabilities BEFORE we went in there? No? Then shut the fuck up you idiot! Don't tell ME Iraq was defenseless jackaass! I took A LOT of fire from the Iraqis in Desert Storm, and I lost a friend in THIS war! So FUCK YOU if you think it was defenseless, and fuck everyone else that thinks we used "excess force" as someone else mentioned to defeat THE ENEMY! Morons!

And as for being "unpopular" in the world? Don't worry, as soon as another country needs support, that "unpopularity" always seems to fly out the window. Oh, and "cheap oil"? Yeah....we're getting that cheap oil alright...what's gas prices down to now, about 5 cents a gallon? You fuck!

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Excessive flaming = PR.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (syco @ 09 May 2003,17:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">3--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (garth @ 10 May 2003,083)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">YES! We kicked another defenseless country's ass. USA! USA! USA! Now we get cheap oil! YES! USA! USA! We rule! Go Bush. Let's invade Luxemburg! USA!  

I'm so PROUD to be American right now!  

..... and people ask why we Americans are unpopular in the world  <span id='postcolor'>

Hey Garth, how old are you dude? 12? 13? Why don't you take that American Flag off your avatar you piece of shit? Defenseless country? You think Iraq was a DEFENSELESS COUNTRY you jackoff?! What are you a freaking MORON?! Do you know ANYTHING about Iraq's military capabilities BEFORE we went in there? No? Then shut the fuck up you idiot! Don't tell ME Iraq was defenseless jackaass!  I took A LOT of fire from the Iraqis in Desert Storm, and I lost a friend in THIS war! So FUCK YOU if you think it was defenseless, and fuck everyone else that thinks we used "excess force" as someone else mentioned to defeat THE ENEMY! Morons!

And as for being "unpopular" in the world? Don't worry, as soon as another country needs support, that "unpopularity" always seems to fly out the window. Oh, and "cheap oil"? Yeah....we're getting that cheap oil alright...what's gas prices down to now, about 5 cents a gallon? You fuck!<span id='postcolor'>

You know, there are a lot of american ppl on this forum who are surprised why so many european ppl don't really like the US anymore... Well... read this post, the fact that this person starts bitching on another person just cuz this other person does not like what his country did is exactly what pisses off a lot of us europeans...

Sometimes being patriotic goes waaaay too far, in this example garth wasn't even allowed to say his opinion without being called names. For me, that is a thing that i dislike about some american ppl, while most of the americans are probable not like syco, it are ppl like syco who give americans a bad name...

A free country, that's what they say, but what if you're only allowed to say your opinion if it's a patriotic opinion? What's free about that?

I'll just repeat this once more before everybody sends me PMs again, i didn't say all americans are like syco, i said ppl like syco give america a bad name....

[Balschoiw 0]

Why no ban ?

Sorry but this guy is really off track.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ 09 May 2003,18:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why no ban ?

Sorry but this guy is really off track.  <span id='postcolor'>

Um... didn't he get banned?

[Balschoiw 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Excessive flaming = PR.<span id='postcolor'>

posting restriction it is I guess.

[FallenPaladin 0]

That guy has an attitude. He should be ashamed.

If you say something that`s in contrast to what is prayed by the leadership, you get bashed in the nice land of the free...

[Harnu 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I took A LOT of fire from the Iraqis in Desert Storm, and I lost a friend in THIS war! So FUCK YOU if you think it was defenseless, and fuck everyone else that thinks we used "excess force" as someone else mentioned to defeat THE ENEMY! Morons!

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Maybe it's just me, but losing a freind can get you a bit damn upset.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well... read this post, the fact that this person starts bitching on another person just cuz this other person does not like what his country did is exactly what pisses off a lot of us europeans...<span id='postcolor'>

So... you can disagree with what we do. But, we can't disagree with you?

[ralphwiggum 6]

disagreeing in civil manners are tolerated, but going off cursing and calling names is not.

[Jinef 2]

Since when does taking your grief out on other people help, a guy i know in the RAF trained with both the pilot's killed by the patriot and we knew also 3 guys in the helicopters that had a mid air collision. Tough luck but that's war, as everyone reiterates.

The squaddies are actually saying Iraq was signifigantly easier compared to other conflicts, and there was little resistance.

For a soldier you seem to not realise that your job is to put your life at risk for the needs of your country, and some might dispute whether fighting for corporate interests is worth it.

I don't know why the Americans have such a problem with when it comes to their soldiers dying, well what do you expect it to be like?

Stop saluting the flag, regurgitating mindless cliches and get a grip on reality

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ 11 May 2003,00:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Stop saluting the flag, regurgitating mindless cliches and get a grip on reality<span id='postcolor'>

I salute the flag but keep my cliche's to a minimum

[Harnu 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't know why the Americans have such a problem with when it comes to their soldiers dying, well what do you expect it to be like?<span id='postcolor'>

We've got such a problem with our soldiers dying because we value life greatly. We know there will be casualties in war, we know shit happens. But it doesn't mean we can't get pissed off over our friends dying. It motivates the rest of the soldiers to fight harder not to get killed, and civilians to support our troops more.

[foxer 0]

Just because their soldiers doesn't mean they should just be thrown away.Plus half ,maybe more then half, join because they had no where else to go.Not everyone in america can pay for college,the military does.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Mmmmmhhh. I think Garth was just being sarcastic. Am I the only one who interpreted his post that way?

[Jinef 2]

I interpreted it that way as well, most people aren't that exhuberant if they believe in what they are saying.

I was commenting on the reply by the guy who got PRed.

Why does death motivate you to fight harder? Don't you fight very hard anyway? I suppose in a justified war you would but in Iraq you only seem to want to fight when it's justified by the Iraqi's killing some of the attacking force.

[Badgerboy 0]

Whats your Sqn and type Jinef?

I'm confused if your RAF or a dirty sailor!

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ 11 May 2003,20:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why does death motivate you to fight harder? Don't you fight very hard anyway? I suppose in a justified war you would but in Iraq you only seem to want to fight when it's justified by the Iraqi's killing some of the attacking force.<span id='postcolor'>

They fight hard anyway, but when they're more motivated, they fight harder. More motivated by Iraqis killing civilians, killing their friends, so forth.

[garth 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (syco @ 10 May 2003,16:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I took A LOT of fire from the Iraqis in Desert Storm, and I lost a friend in THIS war!<span id='postcolor'>

So a friend of yours was killed in this war and you think it was a successful war?   I hope you understand that war mongers like you are directly responsible for the death of our boys - including the death of your friend.

[PitViper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (garth @ 12 May 2003,11:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So a friend of yours was killed in this war and you think it was a successful war?<span id='postcolor'>

WTF does his friend's sacrifice have to do with whether the war was successful or not?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I hope you understand that war mongers like you are directly responsible for the death of our boys - including the death of your friend.<span id='postcolor'>

In case its totally oblivious to you, he is one of "our boys".

[garth 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ 12 May 2003,22:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (garth @ 12 May 2003,11:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So a friend of yours was killed in this war and you think it was a successful war?<span id='postcolor'>

WTF does his friend's sacrifice have to do with whether the war was successful or not?<span id='postcolor'>

Read his first post:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bottom Line (like it or don't) THE US AND BRITAIN KICKED ASS ONCE AGAIN!!! All the while being careful to avoid civilian casualties, and with minor loss of life. Sorry NAYSAYERS! We win!!!! <span id='postcolor'>

If you would have lost somebody you care about would you be so cheerful? Would you consider it a "minor loss of life"? Either he is full of BS (my guess) or he is a sad excuse for a human being.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I hope you understand that war mongers like you are directly responsible for the death of our boys - including the death of your friend.<span id='postcolor'>

In case its totally oblivious to you, he is one of "our boys".

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Really? I don't think so. Then he would have been in Iraq right now, like my father and my brother. Or he would have come home in a casket like my neigbour.

[FSPilot 0]

Or maybe his friend believed in sacrificing his life so other people could have a better life.

And people have been coming home from Iraq for a while now.

[Bernadotte 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Harnu @ 11 May 2003,01:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We've got such a problem with our soldiers dying because we value life greatly.  We know there will be casualties in war, we know shit happens.  But it doesn't mean we can't get pissed off over our friends dying.<span id='postcolor'>

You might want to keep in mind that nobody here can verify what syco has posted about losing a buddy 12 years ago.  There are plenty of forum participants across the net who invent shit like that just so they can get away with flaming other members who they disagree with.

If it's true what syco said then he should summon the courage to seek the sympathy of real people in the real world instead of coming here to make total strangers feel as miserable as he does.

[garth 0]

Thank you Bernadotte.

I think syco's problem is unfortunately common among my countrymen. They make the mistake of thinking that patriotism is supporting your government. It is not. It is about supporting what's best for your country.

Our founding fathers, the first patriots - Washington, Jefferson and Adams were not patriots because they supported their government. King George was their government! They supported their country against a government that was hurting it.

Just because Bush loves to have his picture taken with the American flag does not automatically make him the best for this country.

Now everybody is entiteled to their opinion but if you do not agree with your governement then it is not only your right but your duty to this country to make your voice heard.

[PitViper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (garth @ 12 May 2003,16:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Really? I don't think so. Then he would have been in Iraq right now, like my father and my brother. Or he would have come home in a casket like my neigbour.<span id='postcolor'>

He quite plainly says that he was in Gulf War 1.

also, your bit about the "father, brother, and neighbor" sounds contrived to me. if it is the case, you live on a post somewhere. What post would that be? what unit are they in?