Ac-130 gunship

[killagee 0]

Would an AC-130 Gunship be possible in OFP? If so I think it would be very useful in the game. Oh go on, some one must want to make it. Its a pity there is no way to fund an Addons collective...

[~Too Tall~ 0]

sure its possible the guns cant flex or anything, and cant fire at once. .but it would be possible to orbit around a city and blow the hell out of it. . just nt very accuratly

[Wonder 0]

Would it be possible? Because I'm under the impression that all weapons on fixed-wing aircrafts will point straight forward. I hope I'm wrong!

[miles teg 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wonder @ Feb. 04 2003,09:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Would it be possible? Because I'm under the impression that all weapons on fixed-wing aircrafts will point straight forward. I hope I'm wrong! <span id='postcolor'>

I'm just curious if anyone has even tried to do this...

Quakergamer along time ago made a very crude looking AC130 that he never released, but I don't know if he ever got it to fire anything to the side. I've been trying to get someone to try working on it for the longest time but so far nobody has tried it seriously. They would just need to modify Adammo's (Cpt. Moore's) C-130 addon. At any rate I hope someone at leasts tests the sideways gun idea. If it was made where the aim dot was visible through the side window then it might be possible for the pilot to aim the weapons by simply turning the aircraft. The AI probably wouldn't be able to fire very well, but at least human pilots could use it for MP games.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[~Too Tall~ 0]

i think teh only problem that SHOULD occur in making this would be teh AI being able to fire it. . . they arent programed to fire sidways. . .but other then that it should be possible

[airbornewarrior 0]

i think you could probably use some kinda script to get the guns to fire sideways but it wouldnt be very realistic.

[-crow- 0]

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't they use the C-130 in Vietnam with side mounted mini guns? This could be done with AI even. It is done with the choppers.

[USMC Sniper 0]

Well one time I never made the memory lod for my Colt Commando, and if you don't make that then the gun fires sideways. I armed a soldier with it, and he used it correctly.

[JAP 2]

To stimulate the addonmakers

[-crow- 0]

Did I hear some one say stimulate the addon makers?

This is a picture of tracers from a Lockheed AC-130A "Spectre" Gunship.

Armament: Two 7.62mm mini-guns, two 20mm and two 40mm cannons and one 105mm cannon.

More photos and information at the following sites.

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/annex/an18.htm

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/8758/gunship.html

I wonder if they (addon makers) are drooling yet!?

[soul_assassin 1750]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (|crow| @ Feb. 04 2003,16:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Correct me if I am wrong but didn't they use the C-130 in Vietnam with side mounted mini guns?  This could be done with AI even.  It is done with the choppers.<span id='postcolor'>

Im correcting u then. Choppers and Planes in the game are of two different classes in the config. The chopper config includes the ability to have a gunner and the plane doesnt.full stop.

[-crow- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Soul_Assassin @ Feb. 04 2003,11:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (|crow| @ Feb. 04 2003,16:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Correct me if I am wrong but didn't they use the C-130 in Vietnam with side mounted mini guns? This could be done with AI even. It is done with the choppers.<span id='postcolor'>

Im correcting u then. Choppers and Planes in the game are of two different classes in the config. The chopper config includes the ability to have a gunner and the plane doesnt.full stop.<span id='postcolor'>

I realize that fixed wing and choppers are in different class. All I am saying is if it can be done in choppers some fine mod maker should be able to figure it out. It is not a full stop. Couldn't the config be modified to allow for a gunner?!

[Eviscerator 0]

it isnt made in the config, its made in the simulations, which are hard coded, so we cant do a thing about it

[philcommando 0]

hehehe........never say NEVER!

[-crow- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Eviscerator @ Feb. 04 2003,16:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">it isnt made in the config, its made in the simulations, which are hard coded, so we cant do a thing about it<span id='postcolor'>

Thanks for the clarification. Some one will try and figure out a way to "CHEAT" and make it work. I hope.

[Wonder 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Soul_Assassin @ Feb. 04 2003,19:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The chopper config includes the ability to have a gunner and the plane doesnt.full stop.<span id='postcolor'>

Then who's the guy sitting behind me in DKM's OV-10 Bronco, Deadsoldier's F-15E Strike Eagke and G8's Tornado?

[miles teg 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wonder @ Feb. 05 2003,06:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Soul_Assassin @ Feb. 04 2003,19:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The chopper config includes the ability to have a gunner and the plane doesnt.full stop.<span id='postcolor'>

Then who's the guy sitting behind me in DKM's OV-10 Bronco, Deadsoldier's F-15E Strike Eagke and G8's Tornado?<span id='postcolor'>

Hehehe...yeah there's a gunner in them... but the guns don't move. That part is hard-coded into the airplanes. It's like the boats not being able to fire missiles. Now with boats (and to a lesser extent ground vehicles) you can attach other addons to them using a script. However the item must be right in the middle of the vehicle or else whe the vehicle or ship turns the gun will stick out to the side. I've used this script to put .50 cal machine guns on the Humvees.

However...it doesn't work with aircraft because when the airplane turns...the addon attached to it doesn't which means in a sharp turn the weapons would be sticking out of the roof of the aircraft or the floor of the aircraft.

The only alternative is a sideways facing, fixed gun system.

That is assuming that you can position a cannon facing sideways on an aircraft. Can someone with some O2 knowledge please test this out and then tell us if it's possible?

Please?

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[DragoFire 0]

Here's something I've been thinking of playing with.

The following is from the 1.90config file for the class Plane: Air

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Code Sample </td></tr><tr><td id="CODE">

minGunElev=0;

maxGunElev=0;

minGunTurn=0;

maxGunTurn=0;

weapons[]={"MachineGun12_7","MaverickLauncher"};

magazines[]={"MachineGun12_7","MaverickLauncher"};

<span id='postcolor'>

I think if you were to set the Guns to the following, it might just work.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Code Sample </td></tr><tr><td id="CODE">

minGunElev=-30;

maxGunElev=-10;

minGunTurn=-45;

maxGunTurn=-135;

weapons[]={"MachineGun30W","Gun105"};

magazines[]={"Bullet30W","Shell105"};

<span id='postcolor'>

Something to play with guys.

DragoFire

[soul_assassin 1750]

Even Suma admitted that gun positions WITH MOVABLE TURRETS cannot be implemented, I wanted them on my B17, but it doesnt work.

[DragoFire 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Soul_Assassin @ Feb. 05 2003,20<!--emo&)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Even Suma admitted that gun positions WITH MOVABLE TURRETS cannot be implemented, I wanted them on my B17, but it doesnt work.<span id='postcolor'>

Well yes I agree, but this isn't under a turret class, it sits in the addon's main class area.

Here's a exact copy from the 1.90config file;

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Code Sample </td></tr><tr><td id="CODE">

class Plane: Air

{

vehicleClass="Air";

icon="a10";

displayName="$STR_DN_PLANE";

nameSound="plane";

accuracy=0.100000;

maxSpeed=450;

landingSpeed=0;

flapsFrictionCoef=0.500000;

formationX=200;

formationZ=300;

precision=200;

brakeDistance=500;

steerAheadSimul=1.000000;

steerAheadPlan=2.000000;

wheelSteeringSensitivity=1.000000;

unitInfoType="UnitInfoAirplane";

gearRetracting=1;

ejectSpeed[]={0,40,0};

minFireTime=60;

cost=2000000;

soundEngine[]={"Vehicles\01F5",1.000000,0.500000};

soundEnviron[]={"Objects\noise",0.316228,1.000000};

soundServo[]={"Vehicles\gun_elevate",0.100000,0.400000};

soundDammage[]={"Objects\alarm_loop1",0.010000,1};

simulation="airplane";

minGunElev=0;

maxGunElev=0;

minGunTurn=0;

maxGunTurn=0;

weapons[]={"MachineGun12_7","MaverickLauncher"};

magazines[]={"MachineGun12_7","MaverickLauncher"};

type=2;

threat[]={0.100000,1,0.500000};

aileronSensitivity=1;

elevatorSensitivity=1;

noseDownCoef=1;

landingAoa="10*3.1415/180";

class ViewPilot: ViewPilotBase

{

initFov=0.700000;

minFov=0.400000;

maxFov=0.850000;

initAngleX=8;

minAngleX=-15;

maxAngleX=25;

initAngleY=0;

minAngleY=-100;

maxAngleY=100;

};

class ViewOptics: ViewOpticsBase

{

initAngleX=0;

minAngleX=0;

maxAngleX=0;

initAngleY=0;

minAngleY=0;

maxAngleY=0;

initFov=0.500000;

minFov=0.500000;

maxFov=0.500000;

};

extCameraPosition[]={0,5,-30};

class Reflectors

{

class Reflector

{

color[]={0.900000,0.800000,0.800000,1.000000};

ambient[]={0.100000,0.100000,0.100000,1.000000};

position="L svetlo";

direction="konec L svetla";

hitpoint="L svetlo";

selection="L svetlo";

size=0.500000;

brightness=1.000000;

};

};

class IndicatorAltRadar

{

selection="alt";

axis="osa_alt";

angle=-360;

min=0;

max=304;

};

class IndicatorAltRadar2

{

selection="alt2";

axis="osa_alt2";

angle=-360;

min=0;

max=304;

};

class IndicatorAltBaro

{

selection="nm_alt";

axis="osa_nm_alt";

angle=0;

min=0;

max=0;

};

class IndicatorSpeed

{

selection="mph";

axis="osa_mph";

angle=-350;

min=0;

max=300;

};

class IndicatorVertSpeed

{

selection="vert_speed";

axis="osa_vert_speed";

angle=-360;

min=-45;

max=45;

};

class IndicatorVertSpeed2

{

selection="vert_speed2";

axis="osa_vert_speed2";

angle=-360;

min=-45;

max=45;

};

class IndicatorRPM

{

selection="rpm";

axis="osa_rpm";

angle=-320;

min=0;

max=1;

};

class IndicatorCompass

{

selection="kompas";

axis="osa_kompas";

angle=360;

min=-3.141593;

max=3.141593;

};

class IndicatorCompass2

{

selection="kompas2";

axis="osa_kompas2";

angle=360;

min=-3.141593;

max=3.141593;

};

class IndicatorWatch

{

hour="hodinova";

minute="minutova";

axis="osa_time";

reversed=1;

};

class IndicatorWatch2

{

hour="hodinova2";

minute="minutova2";

axis="osa_time2";

reversed=1;

};

};

<span id='postcolor'>

DragoFire

[thetruth 0]

Well, as far as I know, the original Dakota gunship (DC-3) mounted three 7.62 miniguns (fixed mount) firing out the left side of the aircraft, occupying the first three passenger windows above the wing. Sights started out as nothing more than a rod extending from the left wing leading edge, and a ring or mark on the left windscreen. I'm not sure of the sighting system on the C-130, but both versions turn a tri-level tropical forest into an instant salad.

aint no lie

[miles teg 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (thetruth @ Feb. 11 2003,04:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, as far as I know, the original Dakota gunship (DC-3) mounted three 7.62 miniguns (fixed mount) firing out the left side of the aircraft, occupying the first three passenger windows above the wing.  Sights started out as nothing more than a rod extending from the left wing leading edge, and a ring or mark on the left windscreen.  I'm not sure of the sighting system on the C-130, but both versions turn a tri-level tropical forest into an instant salad.

aint no lie<span id='postcolor'>

That's fine and all, but right now, the technical difficulties need to be overcome on a test model (like the BIS Cessna or Adammo's C130) before any gunships can be made. The sighting systems on the AC-130 by the way are all via cameras, AG radars, and thermal imaging equipment.

But I'd be happy with almost any sighting system for the weapons if an AC130 can be made.

To Dragofire: Do you think from you tests that some type of gunship will be feasible? If so someone should really jump on this because it would really make for an INCREDIBLE addon!!!

Plus there is already a good C130 addon by Adammo that can be modified so the addon wouldn't have to be made from scratch. I really hope that someone pursues this further.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[NAA_Us_Marine 0]

Ok im from the F15E party... You cant have turrets on a plane it doesnt work ;( but of course there is a way... Someone made a script i remember where it would just setpos a mg on the back of a cessna simulating the gunner i guess that would work for now. you could even setpos multiple gunner spots if you wanted- one gunner for each weapon.

[FerretFangs 0]

Can anyone confirm this? I thought I remembered hearing about a Cessna like that but I've never seen it. I always thought the AC-130 problem could be solved with some clever scripting and/or config writing... But it definately needs to be solved! Somebody please HELP us!!!

[pathfinder 0]

Well. I'm totally a clueless idiot about scripts ,and to prove it here's my idea. Someone made a script that makes weapons fire/missles appear out of nowhere. Could that script be made to have weapons fire coming from the side of an aircraft? Yep I'm an idiot.