Oh my! have you seen this?

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This so good:

http://www.flashpoint.ru/news/images/mig25-2.jpg

http://www.flashpoint.ru/news/images/mig29-4.jpg

If this is done by the same guy who did the BTR, then these babies are gonna rock!

L8r

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the 29 is already out as beta

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Schweeeet!!!!

Do you know if anyone is doing a MiG 23 Flogger?

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That MiG-25 isn't going to be spending much time over the island with a top speed of Mach 2.8

Anyhoo, looks like they still need a bit of work

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a SU-9 or a SU-11 would be cool addons to fly or the Mig-15,17 & 19 they will be perfect for OFP and in use in Nam Pack for VC side

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ExtracTioN @ Jan. 02 2003,03:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">a SU-9 or a SU-11 would be cool addons to fly or the Mig-15,17 & 19 they will be perfect for OFP and in use in Nam Pack for VC side<span id='postcolor'>

er the vc were a small terrorist type force, they didnt have the organization to run a airforce, i think you mean the north vietnamese airforce

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I believe the Mig-25 had one seat, not two.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Eviscerator @ Jan. 02 2003,04:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ExtracTioN @ Jan. 02 2003,03:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">a SU-9 or a SU-11 would be cool addons to fly or the Mig-15,17 & 19 they will be perfect for OFP and in use in Nam Pack for VC side<span id='postcolor'>

er the vc were a small terrorist type force, they didnt have the organization to run a airforce, i think you mean the north vietnamese airforce<span id='postcolor'>

He said VC side. The NVA we're on the same side as the VC, so technically he is correct.

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Someone is making a mig-19. Someone is making a mig-21 also so don't give up your hopes for a vietnam style dogfight.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I believe the Mig-25 had one seat, not two.<span id='postcolor'>

You are right, according to fas.org it has a crew of one. On the other hand, you might be wrong, there are 15 different versions of MiG-25. Who knows, one of them might be a 2 seater?

Props to Sea Demon for great textures. I hope he will continue to bring out more aircraft for the Russians. Personally I would like to see some of the first russian jets like MiG-15 or MiG-17.

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Definately are 2 seat versions of the MiG-25..although they are for training only - they have no radar, the second seat being up front where the radar gear used to be. Then there's the MiG-31, an improved -25 thats been a 2-seat interceptor from the beginning.

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I am glad there's opposition for dogfights now. There are so many options as to what to fly with now, its almost hard to choose which one.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Eviscerator @ Jan. 02 2003,05:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the vc were a small terrorist type force<span id='postcolor'>

guerrilla

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Update:

MIG 25 also Beta now!

L8r,

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so u call a gurella force a terrorist force? ..or u call a terrorist force a gurella? did u get this from the CNN dictionary

cheers

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ok, i was looking for guerilla but it kinda slipped out of my mind, however they were also terrorists, from some random webpage after typing in 'vc terrorist' on google.com:

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On the Veterans Day of 1996, there was something new. Among others is the appearance of the Vietnamese woman, Ms Tran Thi Kim Phuc, who has been known to the world in the picture taken by Nick Ut. She was severely burned by a napalm bomb from a South Vietnam Air Force fighter bomber in Trang Bang, 25 miles west of Saigon in 1972 when Phuc was 9 years old.

She was then treated intensively in South Vietnam hospitals and living quietly in her village. In 1984 a Dutch reporter revealed her address and the Communist government brought her to Saigon to stage a propaganda campaign. Then Hanoi sent her to Cuba for schooling. She got married to a Vietnamese fellow there and both ran away from the plane which stopped at Newfoundland, Canada for refueling on its way from Moscow to Havana. The couple asked for and were granted asylum in Canada.

In fact, during he Vietnam War there were thousands of horrible scenes by both sides, much more shocking than the Phuc's photograph. However those scenes seldom caught the sight of reporters. If composite pictures could be drawn from memories of Vietnamese who witnessed the horrors of War, we could have a collection that will frighten the most heartless Mafiosi. Unfortunately, very few or none of such pictures have ever been published outside Vietnam. And rarely did people in the world know that many of the assassins, authors of those horrible pictures are now senior officials and army officers in the current Ha Noi regime.

In the first row of such collection, we could see a woman half naked, eviscerated, her breasts sliced off only because she was the wife of an unarmed village official who refused to support the Viet Cong.

Another picture produces no much shocking at the first look, but very creepy at further thinking . An army officer with both arms tied in his back and hung at the top of a tall bamboo. His eyes were blindfolded with a dirty piece of cloth. Inside the cloth and over his eyes were two slices of raw cowhide. After a day with flies swarms feasting on the cowhide, larvae began worming their way into his eyes balls and then farther inside his skull. No one dared to help him until an army unit arrived. But the young lieutenant had passed away, his eyes eaten up from two bloody sockets.

Any sight of war victims like the picture that brought Nick Ut a Pulitzer prize would certainly shocks people who look at, whether the victims were children of a family supporting the VC or faithful to the South Vietnamese government, whether the victims were injured by a South Vietnamese pilot or a VC guerrilla. Nevertheless, the perception of the individual who used the weapon makes the differences.

A pilot drops a bomb or launches a rocket or triggers his machine-guns on the given target which appear to him more a dot with coordinates on the map more than the humans. The same things happen to the artillery crew, who usually do not see people injured by their shells.

A VC terrorist, sapper, or death squad member however, killed his victims with his knife or his gun or grenade with full perception about their victims as the human, as the individuals. They beheaded, buried alive, dismembered, eviscerated the unarmed local government officials, blew up cross-country buses and theaters whose owners failed to pay money to the VC financial agency, the vital branch of the insurgence..

Any action that causes injuries to the civilian population should be accused. On the side of the South Vietnamese government and the US Armed Forces in Vietnam, unscrupulous use of air and artillery fire did cause unnecessary losses of human lives and properties.

But the losses are far less than death and destruction done by the Vietnamese Communist guerrillas. Though they were all documented by the South Vietnam government, the victims killed by the Communist side - about 1,200 in 1958 to 4,000 in 1961 - were mostly unreported, mainly because the Western media had no space and time to carry such news. But it has been the Communist terrorism that played a major part in the Vietnam War and defeated South Vietnam and its American ally. Although the terrorists' weapons were knives and hand grenades, they proved more effective than the B-52's.

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you'll see they are called both guerilla and terrorist

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both will be made for the nam pack air module, along with and SU-7 and Mig-17 for the north vietnamese airforce (also american planes, but too numerous to mention)

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Eviscerator @ Jan. 03 2003,08:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you'll see they are called both guerilla and terrorist <span id='postcolor'>

Guerilla seems obvious. It "merely" represents the tactics used.

But the terrorist part, weren't they freedom fighters? Is there a difference between a terrorist and freedom fighter, or does it only depend on who you ask?

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after a quick trip to dictionary.com:

ter·ror·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm)

n.

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

ter·ror·ist ( P ) Pronunciation Key (trr-st)

n.

One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.

freedom fighter

n.

One engaged in armed rebellion or resistance against an oppressive government.

guer·ril·la or gue·ril·la ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-rl)

n.

A member of an irregular, usually indigenous military or paramilitary unit operating in small bands in occupied territory to harass and undermine the enemy, as by surprise raids.

i would say the VC fall under all of those, although maybe freedom fighter less so as they werent going against an oppressive government

[Matthijs 40]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Eviscerator @ Jan. 03 2003,09:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">after a quick trip to dictionary.com:

ter·ror·ism    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (tr-rzm)

n.

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

ter·ror·ist    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (trr-st)

n.

One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.

freedom fighter

n.

One engaged in armed rebellion or resistance against an oppressive government.

guer·ril·la or gue·ril·la    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (g-rl)

n.

A member of an irregular, usually indigenous military or paramilitary unit operating in small bands in occupied territory to harass and undermine the enemy, as by surprise raids.

i would say the VC fall under all of those, although maybe freedom fighter less so as they werent going against an oppressive government<span id='postcolor'>

VC were going against a corrupt government. In their eyes the government was oppressive.