ale2999 0 Posted January 1, 2003 K, I upgraded my pc from a p3 1.1 gz with 521 sdram to a p4 2.4 gz with pc 2700 ram 12 days ago. When I assembled it, it ran great but 2 days ago the pc wount start, not even get to the bios, the only thing that I heard a voice saying cpu detection failure over and over again. this doesnt make sense cuz it worked like a charm the day b4! I used to live the case open so the temperature was at like 25 for the cpu instead of 45 when the tower was closed. I took it in 4 service and they dont know so I had to leave it there.. so guys what do u think happened? What is a healthy temperature 4 the pc? ty 4 ur time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted January 2, 2003 I doubt that heat had anything to do with it, even if the system was running with a case temperature of 45 degrees Celcius -- the P4 2.4GHz is designed to run with case temperatures as high as 70 degrees Celcius (see http://www.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/thermal.htm). If you overclocked the processor or rest of the system, you may have done some damage to it that way. If you didn't, it may have been one of those unfortunate failures that just happens to electronic components. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted January 2, 2003 what does your mother board user guide put CPU failure as? my guess at the moment is that your CPU is a defective one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Warin 0 Posted January 2, 2003 I'm going with Frag on this one. 45 degrees isnt going to cause damage to the CPU. As I have discovered, no matter how good things seem to work, sometimes they just fail. No explanation, no reasosn... just POOF. Hopefully the vendor you bought the parts from will replace the defective ones quickly so you get your machine back soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ale2999 0 Posted January 2, 2003 thx 4 the quick replays. Ya I hope they will exchange the cpu or whatever is defective cuz I didnt OC or anything, and hopefully they dont charge me . Bizzarre. Mr Frag when I upgraded I had to format my hd cuz it didnt boot windows, do u think I will have to format again if they replace with identical components? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted January 2, 2003 You won't have to reformat just because they swap out the processor for you. The reason why you had to reformat before is because your system setup changed completely. The Windows installation you had had the appropriate drivers for your system, such as the processor, chipset, bus type, peripherals etc., and when you swapped out the motherboard, the drivers required for the new system weren't there. Thus, the system couldn't boot. You actually could have avoided reformatting your system and losing all your programs, data, and settings. All you would have had to do is reinstall Windows into the same location, and doing an "Upgrade" or "Repair" type installation, depending on what exact OS you have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ale2999 0 Posted January 2, 2003 Mr frag u r amazing, ty so much. You have so much knowledge and I thank you in name of all the ofp community about ur help and efforts to us. (OFP tech) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JAP 2 Posted January 2, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Jan. 02 2003,03:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You actually could have avoided reformatting your system and losing all your programs, data, and settings. All you would have had to do is reinstall Windows into the same location, and doing an "Upgrade" or "Repair" type installation, depending on what exact OS you have.<span id='postcolor'> Well, Win2000/xp mostly have probs with changing chipset. (Intel Via, SIS, etc ) It doesn t always work to repair the windows then, infact, it almost NEVER works when you get the bluescreen of death with an 0x0000007b error ( could be a 0 too much   ) When getting that error, you can t boot in safe mode and most of the time during repair or reinstall you get the error too which ofcourse will halt the install/repair of the windows. You can always put your old motherboard + cpu back in and it will boot fine again.  Change the setting and start over. You can however put your IDE drivers to standard while old hardware is still in, turn it off,  change the hardware and then and then it should boot fine and replace the standard drivers with the right ones. Still it s always guessing with win2000/xp how they will react to hardware changements About the problem with your pc right now ..... Im guessing you have a faulty motherboard.  If i look at the ratio of broken cpu or motherboard here i get a broken motherboard 99% of the time. Infact i don t think we had a single faulty cpu last year, not one ! ( we build them ourselfs ) But we had however a serious amount of faulty Motherboards last year.  Most of the time you get a hardware failure withing 2 weeks of placing it.  After that it almost always keeps on running.  Most hardware that breaks after that period is harddisks, cd roms, coolers, etc ... ( so the turning stuff ) Cheers. BTW, they need to fix it under warranty.  If not contact mobo supplier or Intel directly. ( at least the hardware ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolips71 0 Posted January 2, 2003 its the power suply m8 got it written all over it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JAP 2 Posted January 2, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nolips71 @ Jan. 02 2003,14:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">its the power suply m8 got it written all over it  <span id='postcolor'> If he changed from P3 to P4 he had to switch it anyway. If they gave him a P4 PSU that was too little in wattage they are criminals , minimal for good functioning in a P4 config is 340W in my opinion. Still i doubt it, cause if the psu is not powerfull enough he would ve got random crashes. If his PSU is totally waste, he wouldn t get nothing out his pc and now he got an error saying something about his cpu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedyDonkey 0 Posted January 2, 2003 I hope they fix the computer for you but </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I heard a voice saying cpu detection failure<span id='postcolor'> I didnt know computers could talk (well my printer did) anyway, is it some kind of future on the mobo or what? I doubt my good old duron 700 would so such thing tho.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted January 2, 2003 some mobos come with simple voice files to indicate what could be wrong in the booting process. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolips71 0 Posted January 3, 2003 my asus a7v8x has that its quite cool Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ale2999 0 Posted January 5, 2003 it seems nolips is right. The power supply wasnt powerfull enough. I thought it was good cuz the manual of my asus board sid 230 W o 400W and they send it to the RMA for repairins. It is gonna take 6 to 8 weeks so I thought about putting my all old pc togethere.The problem is when I fitted back the original p3 motherboad in the pc the hd wouldnt boot again. So as Mr. Frag adviced I decided to epair my windows xp installlation. to my sadness, my cd and cd burner were not recognized from the pc (not in the bios). they had power as the leds were on but not recognized. I checked the stupid ide cables and switched them but didnt work.Also even thoe the led was on my cd rom wouldnt even up, only the burner would. I am so unlucky. I am scared that those got fried as well whenthe motherboard got fried. What do u guys think? Thanks again.Also what power supply do u advise me o get when my motherboard is back? 400W? thx guys Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted January 5, 2003 What is the rating of your old power supply? Power consumption should be highest when everything is cranking (CD spinning or burning, sound coming from the card etc.), so even if the PSU is iffy, it should at least be enough to get the system to POST. Heck, it did that for a while a few days earlier. I'm sure they aren't telling you the whole story. Also, I don't understand why they would have to RMA anything -- if the PSU doesn't deliver enough juice, all they have to do is sell you a new ATX power supply. Cheap ones can be had for about $30, but I would stay away from those -- get a nice ANTEC or Thermaltake PSU that's rated at about 350W. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ale2999 0 Posted January 5, 2003 ya I thought it was wierd that it wount even post, but they say that it's broken now and it doesnt work with higher rating power supplies. the one I used is 250 w Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JAP 2 Posted January 5, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ale2999 @ Jan. 05 2003,10:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">it seems nolips is right. The power supply wasnt powerfull enough. I thought it was good cuz the manual of my asus board sid 230 W o 400W and they send it to the RMA for repairins. It is gonna take 6 to 8 weeks so I thought about putting my all old pc togethere.The problem is when I fitted back the original p3 motherboad in the pc the hd wouldnt boot again. So as Mr. Frag adviced I decided to epair my windows xp installlation. to my sadness, my cd and cd burner were not recognized from the pc (not in the bios). they had power as the leds were on but not recognized. I checked the stupid ide cables and switched them but didnt work.Also even thoe the led was on my cd rom wouldnt even up, only the burner would. I am so unlucky. I am scared that those got fried as well whenthe motherboard got fried. What do u guys think? Thanks again.Also what power supply do u advise me o get when my motherboard is back? 400W? thx guys<span id='postcolor'> I m still with my first guess of a defective mobo. About the cd roms. If they dont open usually it means you have the jumpersetting slave/master wrong on one of the two drives. Check if one is slave and other is master ( if they re on same ide channel ) Also try to put the bios to default setting again, could be the secondary ide channel got disabled. One of those two should work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallenPaladin 0 Posted January 5, 2003 I have a 400W power supply, so I`m on the secure side, because all the new graphic cards devour energy like I cereals for breakfast Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ale2999 0 Posted January 6, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (JAP @ Jan. 06 2003,00:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ale2999 @ Jan. 05 2003,10:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">it seems nolips is right. The power supply wasnt powerfull enough. I thought it was good cuz the manual of my asus board sid 230 W o 400W and they send it to the RMA for repairins. It is gonna take 6 to 8 weeks so I thought about putting my all old pc togethere.The problem is when I fitted back the original p3 motherboad in the pc the hd wouldnt boot again. So as Mr. Frag adviced I decided to epair my windows xp installlation. to my sadness, my cd and cd burner were not recognized from the pc (not in the bios). they had power as the leds were on but not recognized. I checked the stupid ide cables and switched them but didnt work.Also even thoe the led was on my cd rom wouldnt even up, only the burner would. I am so unlucky. I am scared that those got fried as well whenthe motherboard got fried. What do u guys think? Thanks again.Also what power supply do u advise me o get when my motherboard is back? 400W? thx guys<span id='postcolor'> I m still with my first guess of a defective mobo. About the cd roms. If they dont open usually it means you have the jumpersetting slave/master wrong on one of the two drives. Check if one is slave and other is master ( if they re on same ide channel ) Also try to put the bios to default setting again, could be the secondary ide channel got disabled. One of those two should work.<span id='postcolor'> thx jap, i'll try the cdroms tmr. Ya I have a geforce 4ti 4200 so that suked up lots of power I guess. I dont think that the mobo was faulty yet no explanation made sense to me as the pc worked for 10 days lol an notin happened to it b4 it stopped working. thx guys Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JAP 2 Posted January 6, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ale2999 @ Jan. 06 2003,09:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (JAP @ Jan. 06 2003,00:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ale2999 @ Jan. 05 2003,10:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">it seems nolips is right. The power supply wasnt powerfull enough. I thought it was good cuz the manual of my asus board sid 230 W o 400W and they send it to the RMA for repairins. It is gonna take 6 to 8 weeks so I thought about putting my all old pc togethere.The problem is when I fitted back the original p3 motherboad in the pc the hd wouldnt boot again. So as Mr. Frag adviced I decided to epair my windows xp installlation. to my sadness, my cd and cd burner were not recognized from the pc (not in the bios). they had power as the leds were on but not recognized. I checked the stupid ide cables and switched them but didnt work.Also even thoe the led was on my cd rom wouldnt even up, only the burner would. I am so unlucky. I am scared that those got fried as well whenthe motherboard got fried. What do u guys think? Thanks again.Also what power supply do u advise me o get when my motherboard is back? 400W? thx guys<span id='postcolor'> I m still with my first guess of a defective mobo. About the cd roms. If they dont open usually it means you have the jumpersetting slave/master wrong on one of the two drives. Check if one is slave and other is master ( if they re on same ide channel ) Also try to put the bios to default setting again, could be the secondary ide channel got disabled. One of those two should work.<span id='postcolor'> thx jap, i'll try the cdroms tmr. Ya I have a geforce 4ti 4200 so that suked up lots of power I guess. I dont think that the mobo was faulty yet no explanation made sense to me as the pc worked for 10 days lol an notin happened to it b4 it stopped working. thx guys<span id='postcolor'> Well all the more reason to think mobo is defective. Is the mobo still at your place or also at the supplier ? What brand was the mobo and type ? We ve had some serious problems with new series of Asus, we even stopped using asus for the last 2 years cause of it. They have a habbit of bringing buggy new mobo's on the market in my opinion. But that s personal i taste i guess. If i could make a choice of mobo, i would always go for MSI. Also don t get it, that it takes 8 weeks to exchange a psu that is ( and they should know that ) not sufficient for the system you use it in. :o Where do you live anyway ? If we do that here, we ve lost the customer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolips71 0 Posted January 6, 2003 it usaually is the power suply after a big upgrade but. motherboards are prone to not work because of what they are pcbs with millions of circuits that can go wrong and the fact that they are made in tiawan with hardly any quality control they should pay them higher wages to get better quallity so my next bet is to get a new motherboard. they should exachange it or give you your money back Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Die Alive 0 Posted January 6, 2003 Ok, how bout this. My comp restarts randomly while browsing the net. I can and do play OFP for 10 hours in a row, no probs at all. I'll alt-tab and check the forums, and 2 clicks in, my system would just restart. No warning, nothing. Or I get "This program has preformed a stupid function and will piss you off by shuting down"... I use Opera web browser and i get the same probs with IE and even netscape. I'd never had a crash with other programs, other for known bugs in those games, so I have no clue what's going on. I reinstalled Opera and even IE, but no help. And it happens on site with very little pics or colors, I'd go onto a java filled site and I'll have no probs, but in a simple text filled site, I crash. Even at time when I scroll down I'll crash at the bottom of the page, not at the top. I'm thinking it could be my PSU, I have A P2.2 and a 350w PSU, so I not sure if I got enough juice for my GF4400 and 2 rom drives and 2 HDs. And it's not an antec and I might replace it with one of those. Or I also suspect bad ram or maybe my Win98se is just pissing me off. -=Die Alive=- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JAP 2 Posted January 6, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Die Alive @ Jan. 06 2003,16:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ok, how bout this. My comp restarts randomly while browsing the net. Â I can and do play OFP for 10 hours in a row, no probs at all. Â I'll alt-tab and check the forums, and 2 clicks in, my system would just restart. Â No warning, nothing. Â Or I get "This program has preformed a stupid function and will piss you off by shuting down"... Â I use Opera web browser and i get the same probs with IE and even netscape. Â I'd never had a crash with other programs, other for known bugs in those games, so I have no clue what's going on. Â I reinstalled Opera and even IE, but no help. Â And it happens on site with very little pics or colors, I'd go onto a java filled site and I'll have no probs, but in a simple text filled site, I crash. Â Even at time when I scroll down I'll crash at the bottom of the page, not at the top. I'm thinking it could be my PSU, I have A P2.2 and a 350w PSU, so I not sure if I got enough juice for my GF4400 and 2 rom drives and 2 HDs. Â And it's not an antec and I might replace it with one of those. Â Or I also suspect bad ram or maybe my Win98se is just pissing me off. -=Die Alive=-<span id='postcolor'> You forgot to mention the most important part we need to know. How much ram do you have ? Also Win98 is a "little" resource hungry Most of the time it s just that your system is out of resources. If you would get random crashes in all programs it couldve been the psu, but it only happens when you perform a certain action, so i think you can rule out the psu. Upgrade the ram or switch windows version would be the possible solution i think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Die Alive 0 Posted January 6, 2003 512 DDR ram is what I got. I was going to go to WinXP over the break but I was too lazy to do so and then get everything back to normal. Anyways, as long as OFP keeps on working, I do 99% of my web surfing here at work and go home and play OFP. One day I'll find out what's wrong and fix it. -=Die Alive=- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ale2999 0 Posted January 7, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (JAP @ Jan. 06 2003,11:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ale2999 @ Jan. 06 2003,09:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (JAP @ Jan. 06 2003,00:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ale2999 @ Jan. 05 2003,10:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">it seems nolips is right. The power supply wasnt powerfull enough. I thought it was good cuz the manual of my asus board sid 230 W o 400W and they send it to the RMA for repairins. It is gonna take 6 to 8 weeks so I thought about putting my all old pc togethere.The problem is when I fitted back the original p3 motherboad in the pc the hd wouldnt boot again. So as Mr. Frag adviced I decided to epair my windows xp installlation. to my sadness, my cd and cd burner were not recognized from the pc (not in the bios). they had power as the leds were on but not recognized. I checked the stupid ide cables and switched them but didnt work.Also even thoe the led was on my cd rom wouldnt even up, only the burner would. I am so unlucky. I am scared that those got fried as well whenthe motherboard got fried. What do u guys think? Thanks again.Also what power supply do u advise me o get when my motherboard is back? 400W? thx guys<span id='postcolor'> I m still with my first guess of a defective mobo. About the cd roms. If they dont open usually it means you have the jumpersetting slave/master wrong on one of the two drives. Check if one is slave and other is master ( if they re on same ide channel ) Also try to put the bios to default setting again, could be the secondary ide channel got disabled. One of those two should work.<span id='postcolor'> thx jap, i'll try the cdroms tmr. Ya I have a geforce 4ti 4200 so that suked up lots of power I guess. I dont think that the mobo was faulty yet no explanation made sense to me as the pc worked for 10 days lol an notin happened to it b4 it stopped working. thx guys<span id='postcolor'> Well all the more reason to think mobo is defective. Is the mobo still at your place or also at the supplier ? What brand was the mobo and type ? We ve had some serious problems with new series of Asus, we even stopped using asus for the last 2 years cause of it.  They have a habbit of bringing buggy new mobo's on the market in my opinion.  But that s personal i taste i guess. If i could make a choice of mobo, i would always go for MSI. Also don t get it, that it takes 8 weeks to exchange a psu that is ( and they should know that ) not sufficient for the system you use it in. :o Where do you live anyway ? If we do that here, we ve lost the customer  <span id='postcolor'> ok My defetive Mother Board is an ASUS P4S 533 (theyjust got it in the store lol). As they took away only the motherboard and there is so much time to wait, I am buiding my old system back p3 1.1 gz on chaintech motherboard, and there is where I got trouble with my cdroms. maybe they r fried> I am gonna try em on a diff system tmr to check it out. I live in calgary canada thx cya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
