Vietnam?

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

Vietnam?

Does anyone know about US/Allied operations carried out in Vietnam during the war?

Especially interesting would be Army, Seal's, Green Berets and Air Cav.

I don't mean any of the movie rubbish, but more about the real deal

Cheers

[mr. Duck 0]

Here id something. Just scroll down a bit.

If you have the time, you can search for operations on this site too.

[Harnu 0]

Seals and such did their normal hostage rescue and all that.  Air Cav did all their typical bombing and transport.  Army/Marines did their fighting.  A lot of fighting...  We killed way more of them than them of us.

[hovmand 0]

Planning another mission ey?

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hovmand @ Dec. 21 2002,17:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Planning another mission ey? <span id='postcolor'>

Busted

[FSPilot 0]

There are tons of easy to read paperbacks written by vietnam vets at barnes & noble and probably all the other good bookstores. I must have 2 or 3 of them in my room.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

Is it realistic that a 5-man LRRP would be inserted by helo behind enemy lines to conduct a "Hit+Run" mission against an enemy AAA post, then get extracted again?

Or which outfit would do that...?

[FSPilot 0]

As far as I know, LRRPs were just for recon (Long Range Recon Patrol), but they may have done special ops as well. Navy seals could of done that, so could any special ops basically.

If you ask me, until they get the leaf bug fixed (you know, AI seeing you through leaves and bushes) there shouldn't be much jungle fighting. It'd be too easy to get shot and to hard to shoot back.

[DarkLight 0]

GOOGLE.COM

[Die Alive 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Dec. 21 2002,12:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There are tons of easy to read paperbacks written by vietnam vets at barnes & noble and probably all the other good bookstores.  I must have 2 or 3 of them in my room.<span id='postcolor'>

I must have 50-60 of 'em in my room

Anyways, that AA attack mission, that probably wouldn't of happen in South Veitnam, more likely in North Vietnam, Laos, or Cambodia. That sort of AA was more likely found guarding the Ho Chi Minh trail or bridges factories etc in the north. There were some LRRP missions and Special Forces missions that crossed the DMZ, but they went not that deep into North Vietnam, maybe 60km at most.

-=Die Alive=-

[FSPilot 0]

Most of the stuff in cambodia was counter-Ho Chi Mihn trail.  Blowing up bridges, stuff like that.

[Harnu 0]

Edit. Too paranoid to post this stuff.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

Ok, just to verify, LRRP was a type of job usually done by Airborne and similar Spec Ops outfits, wasn't it?

Or did LRRP actually exist as a type of outfit?

Or could Seals/Green Berets walk around in the LRRP outfit of the Nampack?

[Die Alive 0]

LRRP Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol. After January 1969, LRRPs were called Rangers. LRRPs are the eyes and ears for the Division. The men in these LRRP/Ranger companies were all volunteers, some of them went to Recondo school in Vietnam that is runned by Special Forces. Some went on to become SF, others trained state side at Fort Bragg, but didn't make it to SF. Whatever the case may be, the job of LRRP/Rangers were to go out and find locations and presence of enemy in given AO (area of operation). Since they were usually 6 per team, they weren't expected to stay and put up a fight against a company of enemy. They'd call in arty, air strikes, or what have you.

The Marines had a similar recon groups called Marine Force Recon.

Seals worked mainly in and around the Mekong delta, in the south of Vietnam. Since there were US Army also worked in the Mekong, there were LRRPs there too. Tho, the Seals worked mainly with Navy (patrol boats, choppers, etc).

Special Forces were found mainly along the boarder areas along Cambodia and Laos. They used indigenous people (Nungs, Montagnard, Cambodians, etc) as mercs to run recon patrols, strike forces, and other missions in and around the boarder areas of Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. Usually, there would be 2 to 4 US SF advisors in a patrol.

-=Die Alive=-

[pzvg 0]

Think outside the box, most active operations outside the MACV area were not conducted by regular military forces.

Thus, force composition, in fact the exact details of many of these missions is unknown.

What is known?

Air America was real

Shadow Company was real, <whether or not they operated as described is still a matter of conjecture>

US Navy Seals carried out missions around Haiphong harbor, which is as North as you can get without learning Manderin.

Knock yourself out

Sing Loi

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (pzvg @ Dec. 22 2002,11:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Think outside the box, most active operations outside the MACV area were not conducted by regular military forces.<span id='postcolor'>

Ahh yes, they must of been conducted by a different type of force. A force not usual, a force not of the normal.

A... special force, if you will.

[Cloney 0]

Weren't there rumors of Spec Ops going into China?

[FSPilot 0]

I only know of spec ops going into cambodia. i've got no idea why they'd go into china, uness it was to cut any direct Soviet - North Vietnam supply line. But I wouldn't know.

[pzvg 0]

Before you go running off with ideas, no SF groups operated "out of country" The beanie boys were a new outfit back then, in an army that wasn't sure it wanted them, but had a president force the creation, The inside history of the goings on at MACV-SOG would make a great novel, if anyone could get clearance to write it.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

Ok, back to OFP world, the guys in the LRRP DPMs from the Nampack, can they pass as Seals or other Spec Ops?

[Cloney 0]

I guess they could but why would you want to do that? There are SEALs and most of the other major spec ops teams already in the pack.

I personally like the MFR guys in the ERDL camo the best.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Cloney @ Dec. 22 2002,16:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I guess they could but why would you want to do that? There are SEALs and most of the other major spec ops teams already in the pack.

I personally like the MFR guys in the ERDL camo the best.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, and I really like the LRRP DPM

[Cloney 0]

Some of the SEALs have it. As do the Special Forces guys.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Cloney @ Dec. 22 2002,17:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Some of the SEALs have it. As do the Special Forces guys.<span id='postcolor'>

But not them cool jungle hats

And that patters is really good, I managed to miss a squad of them even though I walked passed them by about 30 yards only

It took 4 attempts to find them

[Harnu 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Cloney @ Dec. 22 2002,07:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Weren't there rumors of Spec Ops going into China?<span id='postcolor'>

We never fought China directly like that. We never infiltrated China itself.