Revolver vs. auto pistol

[DarkLight 0]

That's rather nasty...

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Dec. 13 2002,20:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That's rather nasty...<span id='postcolor'>

Criminals dont have scruples about who they hurt or how they hurt them.

Personally I love the idea of there being a special place in hell for criminals that kill/maim law enforcement officers. Hopefully with lots of sharp things and sadistic minions tormenting said scumbags

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Dec. 13 2002,21:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Personally I love the idea of there being a special place in hell for criminals that kill/maim law enforcement officers.  Hopefully with lots of sharp things and sadistic minions tormenting said scumbags  <span id='postcolor'>

don't worry , when they get caught , they fall in good hands

[DarkLight 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Dec. 12 2002,22:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Dec. 13 2002,20:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That's rather nasty...<span id='postcolor'>

Criminals dont have scruples about who they hurt or how they hurt them.

Personally I love the idea of there being a special place in hell for criminals that kill/maim law enforcement officers.  Hopefully with lots of sharp things and sadistic minions tormenting said scumbags  <span id='postcolor'>

Naaah, don't kill them, let them work, all the money that they earn goes to the family of the victim or the person that got injured. Make sure that they work very hard and that they don't have lots of food. Just enough so they can continue working, oh and toilets and stuff like that are forbidden.

Let them work till they die...

It's better for all of us, except for the stupid criminal

[madmedic 0]

Sorry to hear about your friend...sounds as though he was a capaple operator, who was let down by his equipment.

You cant go wrong with a well maintained, QUALITY auto. (H&K, SIG, GLOCK, ect.)

The comment about lack of proper gun care is absolutely true.

(with law enforcement also).

There are police officers who take it upon themselves to become skilled, and knowledgeable with firearms....and there are ALSO police officers who only take their sidearm out of the holster once a year, when they HAVE to requalify.

The AVERAGE (note, I said average,...not ALL) police officer in the U.S. recieves very remedial firearms training, and treats firearms qualification as a pain in the neck "chore" they have to do.

Many never practice.

AND...On the other hand,...there are other officers who are just as much of a "gun nut" as I am.

Here are links to pics of two of my sidearms:

SIG P229 in 40 S&W  and H&K USP 45

[ran 0]

my military experience helped me during my police carreer

and i totally agree with what you are saying madmedic

it's a shame that today most of the "errors" comitted by police forces are because of an important lack of training , and that not only in the domain of the firearms , but also with less than lethal weapons and crisis gestion

[CosmicCastaway 0]

Not entirely related, but madmedics pic of his P229 surprised me a bit, simply because it shows how authentic airsoft replicas can look (apart from the occasional obviously plastic bits):

(not the exact same model, but close enough)

We're not allowed to own real ones where I live any more, so this is about as close as we can get.    But if we could, I'd opt for the pistol type over the revolver.

Happy festive season  

[FSPilot 0]

What kind of business are you guys in where you have to carry around pistols?

And what do they generally issue to U.S. pilots? I know they switched over to the Beretta 9mm, but I also heard they used a .38 (may have only been in Vietnam, so I don't know).

We have, for recreational/hunting use, a browning .22lr, S&W (i think) .22, .358 magnum (:0) and something smaller, I forget it's caliber. The S&Ws are revlovers and the browning is a semi-auto I think 8 shot mag. pretty useless for hunting but it's good to finish off the deer if it needs it. I probably wouldnt take it out over that .358 magnum.

[Lazarus_Long 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And what do they generally issue to U.S. pilots? I know they switched over to the Beretta 9mm, but I also heard they used a .38 (may have only been in Vietnam, so I don't know).

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You're right, all the pilots all carry M9's now as a part of their little standard survival kit. Even the Navy pilots, some who used to carry '38's as late as the mid nineties have comletely swiched to the Beretta.

[pzvg 0]

Bail enforcement

I get to choose my own <my backup piece is a mossberg>

[FSPilot 0]

In other words a bounty hunter, lol

How exactly did you get into that line of work?

[Renagade 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Dec. 13 2002,21:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Dec. 13 2002,20:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That's rather nasty...<span id='postcolor'>

Criminals dont have scruples about who they hurt or how they hurt them.

Personally I love the idea of there being a special place in hell for criminals that kill/maim law enforcement officers.  Hopefully with lots of sharp things and sadistic minions tormenting said scumbags  <span id='postcolor'>

Thats a rather simple blanket statement by the same token i could say all cops were trigger happy and corrupt

I think theres more than just bucksho and slugs that u can get for shotguns like fletchlets and and other odd things but i can`t say for sure.

As for semi-auto v revolver  cant rreally see why u would pick a rrevolver over a good made semi if u really need it too save ur skin then why not pack 2 guns incase of emergency situations ?

ps, why do the tops if bullets have the lead exposed and not completely coverred in the metal,copper?,jacket?

like this

[madmedic 0]

9--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ Dec. 14 2002,029)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ps, why do the tops if bullets have the lead exposed and not completely coverred in the metal,copper?,jacket?

like this

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So the projectile will expand, or "mushroom"...on impact, and as it passes through flesh.

Not all bullets are like that.

The bullet in your pic is a "semi-jacketed" round. It is also most likely a hollow point (but you cant tell from that angle.

"Fully jacketed" (full metal jacket) rounds, have the tips covered.

There are also non-jacketed rounds, hollow points, compressed copper rounds, ect, ect.....there are MANY different types of bullets.

[dayglow 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Dec. 13 2002,14:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">my military experience helped me during my police carreer

and i totally agree with what you are saying madmedic

it's a shame that today most of the "errors" comitted by police forces are because of an important lack of training , and that not only in the domain of the firearms , but also with less than lethal weapons and crisis gestion<span id='postcolor'>

How is police work over in France? Do you confront a lot of armed suspects? Up here in Canada (Calgary) most armed suspects still have knives. Handguns are still plentiful. But no where as near as many as the US.

I'm not on the police force here yet, just past my polygraph test and now just have the physc screening to complete and my application will go before the hiring board. Hopefully I'll be in a spring class if all goes well.

COLINMAN

[Renagade 0]

polygraph test ?? isn`t that also known as one type of lie detector

[FSPilot 0]

Which is pretty unreliable if you ask me. All it monitors are heartrate, breathing rate, and persperation I've heard. It only tells the physical signs of lying, not if you're actually lying.

[dayglow 2]

Yep, actually it doesn't 'detect' lies, but can measure you phisilogical response to questions to see if you answer truthfully. Basically it tests if you believe you are telling the truth.

It's part of the selection prossess and let me tell you it is the most stressful thing I have done. It took 3.5 hours, but you are only hooked up to the machine for around 15 minutes. The first 3 hours you spend going over your personal discloser form and they basically ask you questions about every little dirty sin in your life. You basically come clean about everything. You are then hooked up to the polygraph and they ask you 12 questions, including if I have lied to any question from the interview or left anything out.

The test is to see if I have been truthful about my past and if I have lied or misled in anyway during the selection process. I understand 2 out of 3 people fail the test and then you are done. If you lie to them during the polygraph there is no second chance, but if you come clean before hand they may defer you for a year or two. Hopefully I'm sucessful because I have no desire to go through that again

COLINMAN

[Renagade 0]

The firrst bits prrobably to soften u up and make u more vulnerable so i guess the only ppl who lie and go throguh would be a vulcan ,a psychopath or a lobotomy out-patient plus the mistakes

u know what i always thought would be funny,would be to delibrately screw around if u ever got one of those tests like biting ur tongue real hard when hes asking basic questions and stuff

[r71 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Dec. 14 2002,04:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Which is pretty unreliable if you ask me.  All it monitors are heartrate, breathing rate, and persperation I've heard.  It only tells the physical signs of lying, not if you're actually lying.<span id='postcolor'>

I can tell you for sure that they dont work. I had a friend that used to smoke pot, and he passed it. (He now works as a police officer) Just because He was clean cut looking he was able to get away with it. I have long hair and have never done any drugs at all. I got told that there was something showing up on that question. I have taken two test and they both said that. The people that give thoes test are full of $h!t! I was told by a few friends that I would have problems because of that, but I wanted to get the job for who I really am. Now I love it when I see on tv about all the cops that get busted for drugs and other stuff.

[FSPilot 0]

If they're worried about you taking drugs why don't they just piss test you at irregular intervals?

[dayglow 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (R71 @ Dec. 13 2002,22:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">8--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Dec. 14 2002,048)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Which is pretty unreliable if you ask me.  All it monitors are heartrate, breathing rate, and persperation I've heard.  It only tells the physical signs of lying, not if you're actually lying.<span id='postcolor'>

I can tell you for sure that they dont work. I had a friend that used to smoke pot, and he passed it. (He now works as a police officer) Just because He was clean cut looking he was able to get away with it. I have long hair and have never done any drugs at all. I got told that there was something showing up on that question. I have taken two test and they both said that. The people that give thoes test are full of $h!t! I was told by a few friends that I would have problems because of that, but I wanted to get the job for who I really am. Now I love it when I see on tv about all the cops that get busted for drugs and other stuff.   <span id='postcolor'>

Well, my question to you is why wouldn't you get a hair cut? I mean if you want the job you would present yourself in the image that is expected. I wore a suit to the interview because I wanted to project a good image, etc. How many cops with long hair have you seen? Your image says a lot about who you are. If you don't take the time to comb your hair, shave, etc for the interview of course they are going to question you.

As for the polygraph. Was your friend smoking pot all the time or did he in the past. I know here in Calgary the rule is not in the last 3 years before applying. They don't expect you to be squeaky clean, just honest about your past.

If you tripped up on the polygraph on the question about pot use, why did you feel nervous, etc about the question. They will often say things to see if you change your story. I was told, quote "please if you need to change an answer, for heavens sake do it now" during the 3rd round of questioning. They were trying to trip me up, make me doubt my answers, but I knew I wasn't lying so I stuck with it. Or are you saying they purposely failed you because of your appearance, making up a false positive? I'm sorry, but I don't buy consiriousy theories. Your saying that a police organization made up something to flunk you? I don't believe in grandious plans like that. I think they would have found fault in you long before the polygraph if they didn't want you.

COLINMAN

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DayGlow @ Dec. 14 2002,03:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Dec. 13 2002,14:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">my military experience helped me during my police carreer

and i totally agree with what you are saying madmedic

it's a shame that today most of the "errors" comitted by police forces are because of an important lack of training , and that not only in the domain of the firearms , but also with less than lethal weapons and crisis gestion<span id='postcolor'>

How is police work over in France? Do you confront a lot of armed suspects? Up here in Canada (Calgary) most armed suspects still have knives. Handguns are still plentiful. But no where as near as many as the US.

I'm not on the police force here yet, just past my polygraph test and now just have the physc screening to complete and my application will go before the hiring board. Hopefully I'll be in a spring class if all goes well.

COLINMAN<span id='postcolor'>

almost the same as in canada

but we face another problem : the urban violence

large bands of teenagers from defavorised quarters throwing rocks and whatever they can get

the normal uniform policeman isn't confronted a lot to armed suspects , but it gets different for the PJ and other things such as antigang where it happens relatively often

[ultimategamerdobert 0]

obviously the auto pistol is better because they can be calbred the same but the auto pistol will have a larger capacity

[pzvg 0]

FS, kinda fell into it working with a friend, who put me in touch with the "right" folks.

Not quite as daring and glamorous as hollywood makes it, I've only pulled once in 3 years, and in that case the mere act of putting a gun in the guy's face pretty much solved his problems, most of the time we try to not leave them any outlet or hope of an outlet, if they think it's a done deal, they tend to get docile, and we like docile.

[FSPilot 0]

Yeah but its better than cutting down trees and mowing golf courses all day.

Maybe I'm just one of those types that needs a new job every now and then to keep interested.