BaronVonRed

This manuever is also taught at most certified (don't ask) bodyguard schools. From what I understand, though, it DOES require quite a bit of practice. It wouldn't stop me from owning one of those fine pistols, though!

As much as I like LOTR, I, too, went with the Matrix, which IMO is one of the best movies ever made

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shadow @ Dec. 18 2002,13:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BaronVonRed @ Dec. 18 2002,12:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">there are like um, 12 OTHER SHOOTERS at our range, uh, is that okay with you? Um, should I draw a picture? Can you figure it out from there?<span id='postcolor'> If there's only 12 shooters at the range at a time, there's way too much jamming. The range I talked about (is very small) has around 500-600 members and 40-50 of those are active. The range is open 3 days a week. And still I've only heard of those two jams I saw myself (I was there when it happend). If you know so much about handguns then I'm amazed you don't consider 1 jam a month to be way too much with so few active shooters <span id='postcolor'> Oh, then I guess I was lying. Whatever.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shadow @ Dec. 18 2002,12:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'd start by looking at the maintenance. If maintenance is okay, I'd start looking at the cartridges. Maybe try a different brand and/or load.<span id='postcolor'> Good point; we are given cheapie reloads for most practice, although you can bring your own if you like. That would explain a large percentage of it. Even my .357 has had some strange reactions to this ammo at times, and it's really nasty cleaning up after a session.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> So...if you get a well designed pistol, use unharmed and good cartrifges and clean your pistol properly, then you have removed atleast 90% possibility for the weapon to missfire. <span id='postcolor'> Then according to your formular, there is a 10% chance of failure? </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> "If the slide of the pistol touches a wall or other object" hmmm.....Assuming is an object is to stop the slide from going backwards the object have to be behind the slide. BaronvonRed: assuming you took a handgun-safety-course. Did'nt you learn that the shooter shall allways stay behind his weapon? How are you going to get "a wall or other object" between you and your handgun then? <span id='postcolor'> Firstly, it doesn't have to STOP the slide. The eject/feed process is more sensitive than you think. If anything interferes with the slide while firing, the process is impacted. HOW that happens isn't necessarily important, but to completely understand your weapon means that you are aware of this. You don't just teach gun saftey on the range, you teach all aspects of the weapons, including the fact that the users are aware of the sensitivity of the slide-in-action. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> If the ejection port is blocked.... well just grab that slide, pull it back, tilt the weapon to your right, shake (the cartridge usually falls out) and release the slide again. <span id='postcolor'> This is correct (mostly), but again, the point is to be AWARE of the conditions under which the weapon may not function properly. Clearing jams is another topic entirely. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> "Firing the pistol with the muzzle in contact with an adversary is likely to cause a jam of some sort." Why would you want your muzzle to touch the object your are going to shoot at? btw; you've seen way too many movies. Its very uncommon that the weapon fail to reload when the barrel is obstructed. Usually it means that the slide going harder and faster backwards (more wear on the rails on the frame and slide). If you manage to hold the gun hard enough at a object you might cause a blowback but you'll point that barrel through a person if you try, cuz you'll have to push it so hard <span id='postcolor'> "Why would you want your muzzle to touch the object your are going to shoot at?" Again, the issue is not WHY or HOW that happens, but to be aware of what happens in that case. Gun safety doesn't just mean know how to stand in the booth and shoot under ideal conditions. It is important to understand your weapon from as many different perspectives as possible. "btw; you've seen way too many movies. Its very uncommon that the weapon fail to reload when the barrel is obstructed." Um, sorry to disagree, but when the barrel is obstructed it has a negative impact on the bullet. Instead of the gasses and heat being pushed outward, these get reflected back down the barrel (called back-pressure), and this interferes with the eject/feed process. And I fail to see how the number of movies that I watch has any bearing on this. Perhaps you are unware that military and (most) law enforcement personnel are trained to understand the operation of their weapon in a variety of combat and environmental conditions? </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> sidenote: I have now fired approx 2500 rounds with my 92FS. It has never failed me. The last 1000 rounds went without any problems and any cleaning. But then again the 92-series is also known for its reliability and wide ejection-port. <span id='postcolor'> Definitely one of the best handguns money can buy.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Dec. 18 2002,11:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The last 1000 rounds went without any problems and any cleaning.<span id='postcolor'> Uh, oh ! Better give your gun some love now They are in general very thankful for a little technical service. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am at the range at LEAST once a month and there is always at least one jam while I am there but I cannot vouch for the maintenance of those guns. <span id='postcolor'> I dont understand this one. I am always using my own gun when I am doing my trainings. So how is this to understand Baron ? You go to range but dont use your own weapon to train with ? I dont understand that. And one jam per training is a bit much isn´t it ? During the last 12 years I had 4 jams. 3 of them were in the desert as G3 was not very compatible to sand. And one was with an old P1. The gun was very done... One jam per training would really worry me. Or did you mean that the jams happen to other persons during training ? Most of the jams I have seen on the range were not gun- but user caused. For example bad fed ammo clips, movie style combat shootings that resultet in blocked ammo feds and so on.<span id='postcolor'> Ummm, well, uh, gee, there are like um, 12 OTHER SHOOTERS at our range, uh, is that okay with you? Um, should I draw a picture? Can you figure it out from there?

"Another secret service wannabe... " Who asked you, greasmonkey? We were having a nice little chat in here before you came in - get lost. "Better fix the size of your pic or post another link." I don't know how to change the size. That's why I posted immediately after asking how. (duh?) "Or post pics of your real gun. " I don't have any pictures of it; it never occurred to me to photograph my gun.... But I can if it will make you go away. I have a digital pen camera, how would I go about getting the picture here from my local computer?

Geeze - why did that image post so big?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frizbee @ Dec. 16 2002,07:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It depends on your need for a handgun. If you are a police officer, then a Semi-auto is definately the way to go, having a revolver is just asking for trouble in situations where you need more than 6 shots. Even with speed loaders, revolvers take far too long to reload. If you are just a security guard however, a revolver is enough for your day-to-day usage. My preference is a semi-auto however, as if you keep your gun in good condition, and make sure you use good quality ammunition, the likely-hood of a jam in standard usage is very low.<span id='postcolor'> Mostly true, but not entirely. I agree with the loading aspects, provided there are pre-loaded clips available. My .357 Magnum revolver actually has seven shots, and a co-worker friend of mine has a .357 revolver that actually holds 8. But, you can still get more from a clip, so I will have to concede that point. As far as reliablility, that is not an open and shut case.  Semi-automatic pistols have two major sources of unreliability which revolvers do not share - the automatic feeding of fresh cartridges into the chamber, and the automatic ejection of empty cases. Failures to feed are related to the exact geometry and surface characteristics of the parts of the pistol which the fresh round touches during its journey into the chamber, the geometry and surface characteristics of the fresh round itself, and the force with which the slide moves back and forth (this last factor is influenced by the shooter's method of gripping the gun). Failures to eject are influenced by the design of the extractor (the claw-shaped part which pulls the cartridge case out of the chamber), the surface characteristics of the chamber and cartridge case, and the geometry of the ejection port. Failures to feed and eject can also be caused by any mechanical interference with the normal operation of the pistol's moving parts. For instance, care must be taken when shooting a semi-automatic pistol from behind cover. If the slide of the pistol touches a wall or other object, a jam of some sort is likely. If the ejection port is blocked in any way (by an adversary's hand grasping the gun, by clothing, by proximity to a wall or other cover, etc) a failure to eject is almost guaranteed. Firing the pistol with the muzzle in contact with an adversary is likely to cause a jam of some sort. Thus, "just keeping the gun clean" is not a guarantee your next shot will not jam. While I cannot be too explicit about what I currently do, I can assure you I am not a security guard  My life literally depends on my weapon, and call me an old fart, but I like my ported/compensated 7-shot .357 magnum! Taurus689 edit: ralph: pic size > 100k

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Dec. 13 2002,20:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Aaaaah yes, I always thought that those are normally used for hunting boars and stuff like that...<span id='postcolor'> Actually, the slug is used for a variety of applications these days, including boar hunting! You can also make them saboted nowadays: http://www.corbins.com/slugs.htm

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Dec. 13 2002,20:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BaronVonRed @ Dec. 12 2002,21:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Dec. 13 2002,20:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">how the hell did your friend get paralised ? the thief or whetever used slugs or rimfire ?<span id='postcolor'> Slug went through abdominal area and hit the spine.<span id='postcolor'> [dumb mode 'on'] What's a slug?[Dumb mode stuck on 'on']<span id='postcolor'> Like a really big bullet - used in shotguns in place of buckshot, etc.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Dec. 13 2002,20:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">how the hell did your friend get paralised ? the thief or whetever used slugs or rimfire ?<span id='postcolor'> Slug went through abdominal area and hit the spine.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Dec. 13 2002,20:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Adventure games are one where you walk a character through a series of quests, adventures and stories. It does seem to be a dying genre. If you want an oldie but a goodie, pick up Fallout/Fallout 2. Neverwinter nights is pretty cool too.<span id='postcolor'> I thought Never Winters Night was a RPG? Is it the same thing?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Dec. 13 2002,18:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i'f wait for GF Fx. go to troubleshotting section and ppl are complaing about OFP and Radeon 9700.<span id='postcolor'> This is why I always pay for the "name". Nvidia is more reliable and will cause less issues with future games. Otherwise you will always be tweaking this that or the other to get a certain game to work. Personally, I'd stay with the Geforce3. Helluva a good bargain right now and the 128MB version has plenty of horsepower for years to come.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Dec. 13 2002,20:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What exactly are adventure games? I don't spend my life behind screens so i always have a hard time knowing what everyone's talking about... Is the legend of zelda series an adventure game?<span id='postcolor'> Yes, I am a bit confused by the term as well....