The Iraq Thread

[Jinef 2]

4 posts to say the same thing.

[PitViper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ 12 May 2003,15:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">4 posts to say the same thing.<span id='postcolor'>

pardon? I'm addressing different subjects.

[Pukko 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ 12 May 2003,20:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Pukko @ 10 May 2003,21:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and latsly but not least - gives reason to implement a "1984" society - the power hungry's wettest dream...<span id='postcolor'>

where?  in Germany?

http://www.ananova.com/news....unlucky

That's funny. I see government protests on cars all the time in the U.S.<span id='postcolor'>

That sucks big time, maybe its more of situation based interpretion by the police than a more widespread policy/phenomenon though...

As for the USA under TBA; have you heard of the Patriot Act and its sequel - dont you think there will be space for Patriot Act 27 with some more terrorism in the USA in the closest decades? Have you heard of americans losing jobs and positions for being unpartiotic or saying the 'wrong' thing?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ 09 May 2003,12:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Pukko @ 09 May 2003,18:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">btw, you Americans! Does mainstream US media at all report of the more and more destabilized situation in Afganistan?<span id='postcolor'>

Not really. All we hear is that things are slowly getting better.<span id='postcolor'>

well.. we are working on standing up a united afghani army as we speak.<span id='postcolor'>

A united warlord army that will continue fight each other once they have driven out the western forces?  

No, seriously, if there is any chance of success with that (an Afgan army answering to a democratic Afgan government) I wish them all luck.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Pukko @ 12 May 2003,23:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ 12 May 2003,20:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Pukko @ 10 May 2003,21:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and latsly but not least - gives reason to implement a "1984" society - the power hungry's wettest dream...<span id='postcolor'>

where?  in Germany?

http://www.ananova.com/news....unlucky

That's funny. I see government protests on cars all the time in the U.S.<span id='postcolor'>

That sucks big time, maybe its more of situation based interpretion by the police than a more widespread policy/phenomenon though...<span id='postcolor'>

Well, we don't want to discuss dumb laws now do we? There are plenty of those to go around

Newark, New Jersey:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It is illegal to sell ice cream after 6pm, unless the customer has a note from his doctor.

<span id='postcolor'>    

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SpeedyDonkey @ ,,)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FallenPaladin @ 11 May 2003,22:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">denoir is losing it... <span id='postcolor'>

No, Sweden is losing it, oh... wait they allready lost. <span id='postcolor'>

Actually you have come closes to guessing the nature of my earlier post. I'm not at liberty to say it all, but I can say that it was directly Canda's fault

[Jinef 2]

In my humble and quite tired opinion PitViper you were saying the same thing, but then again all of George's speeches sound the same to me now.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ 12 May 2003,23:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually you have come closes to guessing the nature of my earlier post. I'm not at liberty to say it all, but I can say that it was directly Canda's fault <span id='postcolor'>

LOL. That's right, blame Canada

[Bernadotte 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ 12 May 2003,20:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ 10 May 2003,09:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">PitViper, how do you feel about VP Dick Cheney spending 5 years as CEO of Halliburton?  Do you think there might be some connection between that and Halliburton having received two huge Iraqi oil services contracts without any competitive bidding?<span id='postcolor'>

That's funny.  I thought they withdrew from the bidding process. Of course, this has nothing to do with the fact that they are the number one company at these processes in the U.S.  So, obviously, they will recieve microsoft-esque criticism like this. If you want some real juicy oil company mischief, check out the TotalFinaElf cases in French court.<span id='postcolor'>

My question was more about Dick Cheney than Halliburton.  

And the whole point of my question was to see if you would find Dick Cheney to be innocent of oil-money connections (in the face of strong evidence) as quickly as you found Scott Ritter guilty of Saddam Hussein connections (in the face of weak evidence).

[Pukko 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ 13 May 2003,00:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ 12 May 2003,23:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually you have come closes to guessing the nature of my earlier post. I'm not at liberty to say it all, but I can say that it was directly Canda's fault <span id='postcolor'>

LOL.  That's right, blame Canada <span id='postcolor'>

Well, its actually because only minutes after Tre Kronor lost against Canada, the Swedish Patriot Act #1 was implemented. It was prepared in advance, and announced by Swedish primeminister Göran Persson live from the stadium. It consist severe limits of our civil rights, but its all worth it - because we all really have to support our national hockey team in these hard times.

Amongst many other sections in the act, the reason for denoir's patriotic post is probably due to section #5 which clearly state that all patriots around the world must support eachother, no matter what are the grounds for different patriotism. Failure to do so is to be punsihed by "seriouis consequenses". Ofcourse there are false "patriots" around the world, like Canadian hockey supporters, but they have to be looked at for what they are: evil, lying and decieving terrorists.

btw, I dont care much for hockey, so I'm living undercover now hiding in a cave by the sea. Its a hard life being an unpatriotic rebel......  

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Pukko @ 13 May 2003,01:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Amongst many other sections in the act, the reason for denoir's patriotic post is probably due to section #5 which clearly state that all patriots around the world must support eachother, no matter what are the grounds for different patriotism.<span id='postcolor'>

LOL. Nice try, but no I'm not kidding when I'm say that Canada is directly responsible for my post. Ask Warin, he can confirm it

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ 13 May 2003,02:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Pukko @ 13 May 2003,01:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Amongst many other sections in the act, the reason for denoir's patriotic post is probably due to section #5 which clearly state that all patriots around the world must support eachother, no matter what are the grounds for different patriotism.<span id='postcolor'>

LOL. Nice try, but no I'm not kidding when I'm say that Canada is directly responsible for my post. Ask Warin, he can confirm it <span id='postcolor'>

It's true! I am afraid that Canadas win in the World Championship of Hockey caused a dramatic shift in Denoirs political ideology. It's stunning. I had no idea that he took hockey that seriously

[PitViper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Pukko @ 12 May 2003,17:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As for the USA under TBA; have you heard of the Patriot Act and its sequel - dont you think there will be space for Patriot Act 27 with some more terrorism in the USA in the closest decades?<span id='postcolor'>

I don't support the patriot act at all. It needs to be revised drastically.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Have you heard of americans losing jobs and positions for being unpartiotic or saying the 'wrong' thing?<span id='postcolor'>

No.

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ 13 May 2003,04:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Have you heard of americans losing jobs and positions for being unpartiotic or saying the 'wrong' thing?<span id='postcolor'>

No.<span id='postcolor'>

It has happened a number of places.

The Patriot Act has nothing to do with being a Patriot. If anything it has more to do with tyranny and oppression than anything else. The Republicans, thinking that their electoral wins gives them a mandate, have started pushing an agenda that is all but insane.

[Schoeler 0]

The fact that the Republicans want to remove the sunset clause from the Patriot Act frankly scares the hell out of me. I think they forgot about two elements of our government in their deliberations, namely: The Bill of Rights and The Supreme Court. Contrary to some people's ambitions, we do not yet live in a totalitarian democracy.

[Jinef 2]

Haha

Point and laugh!

Umm anyway, we are not much better.

[Jinef 2]

Hmm we should have had bets on how many hundreds and tens of pages this thread would take up. Measure the war by how much people natter on about it.

This thread documents people's ideas, predictions (mainly wrong ones by Denoir of death and destruction to the infidel forces ) and events that happened throughout the GW2, it is a valuable resource.

So let's have some more predictions shall we?

- America will be suprisingly good hearted, forget about superficial values and help the Iraqi people into a stabilised country in the ME.

- America will load up the oil, build a few mcdonalds to aid in the 'food' distribution and then fuck off.

- The UN will be left to rebuild it and criticised heavily in doing so by the Americans, we will all have forggoten it was thye who started it in the first place.

Let's have some more ideas, the aftermath of Bush's liberty giving/oil taking sort of thing.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ 14 May 2003,00:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">mainly wrong ones by Denoir of death and destruction to the infidel forces  <span id='postcolor'>

Heh. I challange you to find quotes of me predicting stuff

Perhaps some things in this thread, but check the dogs of war thread - I was very careful not to make any decisive predictions except for perhaps some very obvious ones ("If it will come to urban combat in Baghdad, a lot of people will die"... etc). So I don't think I've been wrong very much simply because I was careful not to post to bold predictions

Of course I might have selective memory too

Off the record I did not expect the Iraqis to be such pushovers.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

I've found that Denoir is a master at hedging his bets

That's why it's so hard to beat him in an argument, because as soon as you have him beat on a point he's maneuvered it so that he was never even arguing said point to begin with.

[Jinef 2]

Lol

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Edited by denoir on 14 May 2003,00:50<span id='postcolor'>

'Nuff said!

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ 14 May 2003,00:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I've found that Denoir is a master at hedging his bets  

That's why it's so hard to beat him in an argument, because as soon as you have him beat on a point he's maneuvered it so that he was never even arguing said point to begin with.  

<span id='postcolor'>

Why of course! Constructive discussion? Pfft... Who wants that when you can be right all the time and in the worst case at least not wrong

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Edited by denoir on 14 May 2003,00:50<span id='postcolor'>

'Nuff said!<span id='postcolor'>

Hehe, you are so right I added the "selective memory" part in case you actually managed to dig up some predictions

[Jinef 2]

I don't need to dig any up, i remember perfectly well our own little information minister ranting on.

Anywho, back to Iraq (good slogan that for GW3 or 4)

[Guest]

Eh? I'm serious, find some hard predictions that I made. As I remember it you were more the predicting type (wrong predicting type that is)

General Says 2nd Mobile Bioweapons Lab Found in Iraq

Anybody want to place some bets on what it will turn out to be this time?

[Jinef 2]

Ahh yes i did predict stuff, mainly that they would put up more resistance than they actually did.

I'll have a look for quotes when i'm not tired.

[Acecombat 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ 11 May 2003,16:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ 11 May 2003,15:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Huh, are we suprised?

You still need to justify this war.<span id='postcolor'>

No they don't.

They only need to present another heap of bogus evidence; this time claiming that the WMDs were smuggled out of Iraq into Syria, Iran and maybe North Korea.<span id='postcolor'>

You mean those test tubes containing pure Sodium and potassium?

[toadeater 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ 13 May 2003,19:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Eh? I'm serious, find some hard predictions that I made. As I remember it you were more the predicting type (wrong predicting type that is)  

General Says 2nd Mobile Bioweapons Lab Found in Iraq

Anybody want to place some bets on what it will turn out to be this time? <span id='postcolor'>

It's undoubtedly an Iraqi iLoo prototype.

[Jinef 2]

We had pure sodiem and pottasium in high school, reactive metals in group 2 i think.

I was shit at chemistry, but anyway you chuck them in water and they go fizz and boom etc.

Maybe it was for high school experiments?