Leon86 13 Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) depends on the mission, some missions will always run terrible. Let me see if I can find comparison between cpu's in arma. http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2012/05/01/intel-core-i5-3570k-cpu-review/6 it's operation arrowhead, seems to run better on a 3570K compared to FX, but it's not twice the framerate or something. if you go for a 3570K, get a Z77 (or Z68, P67, or Z75) motherboard, otherwise you cant overclock. A normal 3570 is also quite restricted for overclocking, Z77+K cpu is the preferred combo. Edited March 13, 2013 by Leon86 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyBee 8 Posted March 13, 2013 Thanks man that will be great cuz I just oced my CPU from 3.5-4.5 and its 6 core where as 3570 is 4 core with 3.5 so how come 3570 performs better that my oced 6300..sorry for being noob in this computer thing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leon86 13 Posted March 13, 2013 Some cpu can do more per core and per clockspeed than others. Arma doesnt use 6 cores, it only uses 2 effectively, sometimes 3. So for arma what matters is performance per core / clockspeed, and the clockspeed itself, and in that area the 3570K is king. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyBee 8 Posted March 13, 2013 So I should buy 3570.wat about 3770??or should I keep my 6300 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zordon 1 Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) Hope you guys can give me some insight about my own rig lol, im not very good when it comes to building a pc. Intel Core I5 2400 @3.10GHz (4CPUs), 3.1GHz Nvidia GeForce GTX 660 (2048 MB DDR5) 8GB DDR3 RAM Win7 Ultimate 64 bit Motherboard: ECS H67H2-M Hard drive: Some cheap 465 GB HDD (ST3500413AS ATA Device) Stuck at 1400x900 my LED monitor died, so ya back to the VGA era for a while :mad: Edited March 13, 2013 by Zordon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leon86 13 Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) @Krazybee 3770 is def not worth it for arma and gaming in general. I'd keep the 6300, see if the performance improves when patches are released. In the summer intel will launch some new cpu's. So if performance hasn't improved by then that'll be a good time to upgrade. @Zordon, that's a decent rig, not overclockable, but pretty fast, wont be able to run arma much better without something that's heavily overclocked. and what's wrong with VGA? I get better image quality on my CRT than the much bigger LCD. Edited March 13, 2013 by Leon86 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyBee 8 Posted March 13, 2013 Thank you sir..ill stuck with 6300 it's good CPU for other games I can max every thing and get 30-40 in arma 3 hopefully ill get good fps when game is optimized Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zordon 1 Posted March 13, 2013 @Zordon, that's a decent rig, not overclockable, but pretty fast, wont be able to run arma much better without something that's heavily overclocked.and what's wrong with VGA? I get better image quality on my CRT than the much bigger LCD. Thanks for the fast response man, do you think that with time and game optimization i would be able to get 50-60 stable fps on high? And nah nothings wrong with CRT forgot how good it resolution was lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiple 1 Posted March 13, 2013 I'm looking to buy a good gaming computer and I figure that if it could run Arma3 it would be able to run most games and be good for a few years to come. I originally thought about getting: Case COOLERMASTER CM STORM ENFORCER Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-3570K (3.4GHz) 6MB Cache Motherboard ASUS® P8Z77-V LX: USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs, ATI®CrossFireX Memory (RAM) 8GB SAMSUNG DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (2 X 4GB) Graphics Card 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 670 - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP - 3D Vision Ready Memory - 1st Hard Disk 500GB 3.5" SATA-III 6GB/s HDD 7200RPM 16MB CACHE Power Supply CORSAIR 650W ENTHUSIAST SERIES™ TX650 V2-80 PLUS® BRONZE (£69) Processor Cooling Corsair H80i Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler (£69) I was going to get my brother to overclock the cpu to ~4.5 GHz. However, when I posted the spec on the pcspecialist forums they said that overclocking for gaming is not necessary and thus suggested to get the 3570 over the 3570k and not bother with the H80i. Are they right? Will overclocking make ARMA3 run smoother? An alternative design was also suggested: Case COOLERMASTER CM STORM ENFORCER Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-3570 (3.4GHz) 6MB Cache Motherboard ASUS® P8Z77-V LX: USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs, ATI®CrossFireX Memory (RAM) 8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz, X.M.P (2 x 4GB KIT) Graphics Card 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 670 - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP Memory - 1st Hard Disk 1TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD1002FAEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm) Power Supply CORSAIR 650W ENTHUSIAST SERIES™ TX650 V2-80 PLUS® BRONZE (£69) Processor Cooling Super Quiet 22dBA Triple Copper Heatpipe Intel CPU Cooler (£19) Which would be better for running Arma3? Thanks for any help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ubascouser 0 Posted March 13, 2013 Guys im looking to get a 120GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD I currently have x2 wd raptor hdd 10000rpm 300gb and a 120gb Windows 7 64 bit I5 2500 3.3ghz 580 gtx 3gb ddr3 Power cool 650w Do you think I would see much improvement by installing a ssd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foofi 1 Posted March 13, 2013 @all alot of people use only 8GB RAM. Why dont u do 16GB (2x8gb) inside? I think arma need them.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zordon 1 Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) @all alot of people use only 8GB RAM. Why dont u do 16GB (2x8gb) inside? I think arma need them.... most apps don't use more than 2-4 gb if you're not doing other stuff while gaming like recording, rendering its not worth to have that much ram. Edited March 13, 2013 by Zordon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leon86 13 Posted March 13, 2013 Guys im looking to get a 120GB OCZ Agility 3 SSDI currently have x2 wd raptor hdd 10000rpm 300gb and a 120gb Windows 7 64 bit I5 2500 3.3ghz 580 gtx 3gb ddr3 Power cool 650w Do you think I would see much improvement by installing a ssd. SSD's are good for boot and loadtimes, might reduce some hickups, but will not increase fps. and foofi, 8GB is more than enough, arma is 32bit LAA, will never use over 4. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
k3lt 3 Posted March 13, 2013 Thanks for the fast response man, do you think that with time and game optimization i would be able to get 50-60 stable fps on high? No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foofi 1 Posted March 13, 2013 most apps don't use more than 2-4 gb if you're not doing other stuff while gaming like recording, rendering its not worth to have that much ram. yes, i think that arma3 will use them... it have very big maps and if somebody have a 64bit OS and use it good with the cpu, then - i think - 16GB of RAM are perfect for them... I read that people use only 4GB ram and want to change the hdd with a ssd disk, Thats a lot of money for the wrong work... better a good ram and more than 4GB... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zordon 1 Posted March 13, 2013 yes, i think that arma3 will use them... it have very big maps and if somebody have a 64bit OS and use it good with the cpu, then - i think - 16GB of RAM are perfect for them...I read that people use only 4GB ram and want to change the hdd with a ssd disk, Thats a lot of money for the wrong work... better a good ram and more than 4GB... if im not mistaken arma 3 is a x32 program, theres even a thread asking for reasons on why BI chose it to be that instead of x64. Now im not saying having 16 GB of ram is a waste of money but just that it won't increase the performance that much with the average average PC, i think that 8 gb of ram is fine for the next year at least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foofi 1 Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) if im not mistaken arma 3 is a x32 program, oh! thank you. ok :D i thought it have a 64bit "version" too... ! what did say bohemia interaktive for that. Is it only 32bit? Update: http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?119544-Arma-3-Dx11-amp-64-bits ive found this here. Edited March 13, 2013 by foofi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sklaar 1 Posted March 13, 2013 AMD Athlon II Dual-Core Processor 2 CPUs, 2.1ghz ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5650 Windows 7 64bit 4gb of ram Can my laptop run this? At least on low settings? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gliptal 25 Posted March 13, 2013 Just posting to remember that even though ArmA III won't be 64bit, it will be Large Adress Aware, meaning it will use all the available RAM and will not be limited to 2GB... AMD Athlon II Dual-Core Processor 2 CPUs, 2.1ghzATI Mobility Radeon HD 5650 Windows 7 64bit 4gb of ram Can my laptop run this? At least on low settings? It could, but at a pretty low resolution...Yay! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kahssymhir 1 Posted March 13, 2013 AMD Athlon II Dual-Core Processor 2 CPUs, 2.1ghzATI Mobility Radeon HD 5650 Windows 7 64bit 4gb of ram Can my laptop run this? At least on low settings? I run Arma 2 AO with something roughly similar... and it's barely playable. You can try with a free alpha access but be prepared to be a little bit frustrated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sky999 10 Posted March 13, 2013 It will not exactly solve the problem, but it will certainly help in most situations: VGA remains important...I wouldn't reccomend upgrading your rig at this stage of developement though: the game will get optimized better as time passes, and the final release could end up being playable even on systems that now have difficulties... Yay! Sorry, I'm not knowledgable on a lot of PC things, what exactly is a VGA? Googling it gives me images of my monitor cable? it wont, but an intel overclocked to 4,5ghz+ will help a lot. Alright, hang on a sec, I thought my system was better than this and that it was pretty much just the CPU that was the problem. Let me post my specifications again. Operating System: Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit (6.0, Build 6002) - Service Pack 2System Manufacturer: Dell Inc. System Model: Dell XPS420 BIOS: Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS Version 1.10 A06 Processor: Intel® Core2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz (4CPUs), ~ 2.33Ghz Memory RAM: 3326MB RAM Page File: 1960MB used, 4919MB available Windows Dir: C:\Windows Direct X version: DirectX 11 Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Manufacturer: NVIDIA Chip type: GeForce GTX 560 DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC Display Memory: 2385 MB Current Display Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz) 278 GB free HDD space So which part, or parts, of this build is the reason for such bad FPS with lots of units around? I was under the impression the GPU was relatively decent, and that it was the CPU that was the issue, but now you're saying even with a new CPU the problem would persist? So what do I need to remove and replace with a new purchase to improve things? :confused: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gliptal 25 Posted March 13, 2013 Sorry, I'm not knowledgable on a lot of PC things, what exactly is a VGA? Googling it gives me images of my monitor cable?My bad, what I meant was graphic card... I have always used VGA, and find out now that apparently it isn't a proper name for it...MyWholeLifeIsALie.jpeg Yay! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leon86 13 Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) With a lot of units around the cpu is pretty much always the bottleneck, yes. If you're in a multiplayer game chances are the server is the limiting factor if you turned down viewdistance and model detail. although there are a few areas that are heavy on the gpu, like camp maxwell, trees load up the gpu a lot and around maxwell there are a lot of them. Edited March 13, 2013 by Leon86 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shooter489 1 Posted March 13, 2013 Will a sager np9370 be able to run arma 3 with theses specs? -windows 7 64 bit -Intel 3rd gen i7 3630qm -amd hd Radeon 7970m crossfire -12gb DDR3 1600mz -750gb hdd at 7200rpm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gliptal 25 Posted March 14, 2013 Will a sager np9370 be able to run arma 3 with theses specs?-windows 7 64 bit -Intel 3rd gen i7 3630qm -amd hd Radeon 7970m crossfire -12gb DDR3 1600mz -750gb hdd at 7200rpm You should be good...Yay! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
