Tell us about your political attitude

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Sep. 18 2002,17:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Remember, if you invest too much in the military you will have to use it to justify the cost<span id='postcolor'>

Same goes for investing too little.

Our submarines are leaking

Our S&R Helos are falling out of the sky every month

Over half our CF-18's are mothballed, those flying have outdated communications equipment that's uncompatible with that of other NATO countries

A lot of our howitzers and cargo trucks are unusable because of rusting of the axles

And that's just some of the material problems, the very size of our armed forces is pathetic.

[PitViper 0]

Don't like parliamentary systems. Naturally, I think constitutional republics are the best type of system.

The best argument against direct democracy (mob rule) is in the Federalist papers.

http://memory.loc.gov/const/fed/fed_10.html

The federalist papers are enlightening

http://memory.loc.gov/const/fed/fedpapers.html

"Political Parties" were in general disdained by our founding fathers.

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Sep. 18 2002,11:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Sep. 18 2002,17:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Remember, if you invest too much in the military you will have to use it to justify the cost<span id='postcolor'>

Same goes for investing too little.

Our submarines are leaking

Our S&R Helos are falling out of the sky every month

Over half our CF-18's are mothballed, those flying have outdated communications equipment that's uncompatible with that of other NATO countries

A lot of our howitzers and cargo trucks are unusable because of rusting of the axles

And that's just some of the material problems, the very size of our armed forces is pathetic.<span id='postcolor'>

I don't see your point, that's basically not different from what I said.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Remember, if you invest too much in the military you will have to use it to justify the cost<span id='postcolor'>

Ever heard of peacekeeping?

How much do you think is too much? We spend about $11 Billion per year, that's less than 2% of our GDP. The U.S. uses 10%.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hmm i don't know about being so ticked off, in many European countries the total tax is much higher than 15%.

<span id='postcolor'>

We don't live in Europe, so I don't want their taxes.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually Chretien says they are not going to raise the tax<span id='postcolor'>

Do you beleive him? I remember him saying he would get rid of the GST....... strange.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">like the US which absolutely wants to use theirs all over the world to cover the cost and retrieve some lower Oil prices. <span id='postcolor'>

Blah.

Blah.

Blah.

Can you elaborate on that, or are you just talking out of your @$$ ?

Tyler

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ever heard of peacekeeping? <span id='postcolor'>

No I never head of peace keeping... if you have a shred of sense in you, you can think about what I said, it's not complicated...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We don't live in Europe, so I don't want their taxes.<span id='postcolor'>

This is why you think Chretien is a dumbass, you can't agree with him because he understands much more about world issues. You on the other hand have a very narrow point of view.

Honestly, I have talked to dozens of Canadians like you, and my relationship with them is non existant now, I don't have time for these discussions.

other than that; have a nice day.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Sep. 18 2002,21:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Sep. 18 2002,11:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Sep. 18 2002,17:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Remember, if you invest too much in the military you will have to use it to justify the cost<span id='postcolor'>

Same goes for investing too little.

Our submarines are leaking

Our S&R Helos are falling out of the sky every month

Over half our CF-18's are mothballed, those flying have outdated communications equipment that's uncompatible with that of other NATO countries

A lot of our howitzers and cargo trucks are unusable because of rusting of the axles

And that's just some of the material problems, the very size of our armed forces is pathetic.<span id='postcolor'>

I don't see your point, that's basically not different from what I said.<span id='postcolor'>

You speak of the dangers associated with spending too much. I'm bringing up the actual danger -we're spending much too little.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This is why you think Chretien is a dumbass, you can't agree with him because he understands much more about world issues. You on the other hand have a very narrow point of view.

<span id='postcolor'>

Yes of course, Chretien knows what he's talking about. For christ's sake, this is the man who replied. “Well, pepper is something I put on my plateâ€. when he was asked if the pepper spraying of protestors at the APEC summit was neccesary .

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

I voted "Right wing"... But I dont walk about saying I belong to a party or anything, I find the danish Political system a bit too mediea focused to take it seriously, im sure thats how it is anywhere.

Anyway, I find it hard to like one party, since i might be liking some of that, and a bit of that, and alot of that but i hate the rest of that, and i cant live with that etc...

Anyway, telling a person that he can either be something, or he is something else seems very hypocritic to me... Just like when Bush said about the terrorist attacks a year ago:

"Either you are with us, or you are supporting the terrorists!".

Well... I wonder if he is gonna attack Europe when they wont go into another Slaughtering of civilians since he apperently goes for the "50 eyes for an eye".

Reminds me of WWII on the easter front where alot of Russian and german civilians were killed in payback operations. Every time a soldier was killed, 10 civilians were killed. The higher rank the soldier was, the more civilians was killed.

[dayglow 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Sep. 18 2002,13:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ever heard of peacekeeping? <span id='postcolor'>

No I never head of peace keeping... if you have a shred of sense in you, you can think about what I said, it's not complicated...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We don't live in Europe, so I don't want their taxes.<span id='postcolor'>

This is why you think Chretien is a dumbass, you can't agree with him because he understands much more about world issues.  You on the other hand have a very narrow point of view.

Honestly, I have talked to dozens of Canadians like you, and my relationship with them is non existant now, I don't have time for these discussions.

other than that; have a nice day.<span id='postcolor'>

This attitude I don't understand. Chretien is a proven lier and what is more scary is the amount of money he has used in open patronage. Don't tell me millions in grants to well off companies that give money to the Liberal party is right. He is dirty and does everything in his own best interest, not the country. It has been proven that his government 'lost' over a billion dollars in the Human Resources Department and a lot of that money went to companies that support the Liberals, not because they qualified for the grants. Strange how the 2 provinces that are supporting the rest of the country, Alberta and Ontario, both have conservative governments that have been labouring to cut taxes, not raise them. The Liberals are destroying this country plain and simple.

COLINMAN

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Sounds like you Cannucks need Dubya and his subliminal podium background messages!!!

[Tovarish 0]

Oh yes, almost forgot. I voted left wing. I've lived under a couple of different communist systems and I can affirm that they didn't work, but I still feel that a democratic socialism is the way to go. I find Canada is kind of like that, although right now calling it "democratic" might be a bit of a stretch (for all practical purposes, it seems that the Liberal party is the only one that counts, allthe other parties are busy arguing with each other and screwing up internally).

When I came here with my mom and my sister 10 years ago, we recieved a LOT of help from the government, for which I'm very grateful, until we learnt the language and were able to find work. The social assistance system here is great, but unfortunately people do abuse it.

A good example of this is government student loans, a few years ago, college and uni students would take out loans, and then declare personal bankrupcy and the loans would be forgiven. Plus good credit was ridiculously easy for them to regain. As a result it's now very hard to get one.

Last year I was denied a student loan and had to work 24 hours a week during school to support myself. This year the same thing happened, but I realized I could appeal the decision, and just last week $2100 was deposited into my bank account, and $1400 is coming next semester. At least that's rent taken care of

[bn880 5]

Yes Tovarish put it all pretty well.

They deny student loans if family income is too high, in which case they justly assume you should be supported by your family. Although it doesn't work well for many students.

The social system abuse is extensive. Especially govt. funded housing gets abused by people who have incomes well above average. I hate to say it, but most people abusing the system were not born in Canada. Although the next generation usually doesn't go down that route.

[Die Alive 0]

Oh no, Canadians have hijacked this thread! Hurry up and close it before they start talking about hockey! Then it will be too late!

-=Die Alive=-

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">He is dirty and does everything in his own best interest, not the country.<span id='postcolor'>

Exactly, he puts money into programs that his voters like. By pleasing as many voters as he can, he gets re-elected. I remember him in one of his interviews when he was asked; "What is your favorite part about being a PM" His answer; "Winning Elections"

What ever happened to those RCMP investigations?

Tyler

[Tex -USMC- 0]

This about sums up my political attitude:

Mostly confused, with a 90% percent chance of mockery

[Aaron Kane 0]

I love The Daily Show....

*cries*

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Sep. 18 2002,23:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Exactly, he puts money into programs that his voters like. By pleasing as many voters as he can, he gets re-elected. I remember him in one of his interviews when he was asked; "What is your favorite part about being a PM" His answer; "Winning Elections"<span id='postcolor'>

No worries, he's leaving in 2004. He just want's to mess around a little more.

Actually one thing I have observed is that his conduct has changed since he first got elected.

RCMP? Well, what can possibly happen, they pepper sprayed people... in the end it's not very punishable for a Police force. I guess you should wear some eye protection or even a mask to protest next time, but actually there have been no more incidents like that since now the RCMP completely blocks people they think will cause trouble from getting to a site.

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Sep. 18 2002,12:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 18 2002,00:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ Sep. 18 2002,00:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SirLoins @ Sep. 18 2002,00:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">which one would you consider the best?<span id='postcolor'>

The British system is better but the Swiss is best.<span id='postcolor'>

I have no beef with the British system, but the Swiss just sucks. They have referendums on all possible micro-decisions. This practically disables the politicians to make any long term decisions. Also, their political system is also to blame for the vast amount of really underdeveloped and poor parts in the country.<span id='postcolor'>

This is very true. For every damn lame decision of the Canton and even your silly city-district makes you vote. Since decades this highly conservative system hinders politicians to take nationwide actions. Switzerland has indeed pretty poor Cantons (counties), and that is also the fault of the politics. On the other hand because everything is so decentralised the cities and villages can decide themselves what is best for them. Switzerland is the country wih the highest amount of imigrants in entire europe but the income per capita still is 1/3 higher than europes average, criminality rates are realy low as well. The cities know best how to deal with their problems.

But lets not forget, that what we consider as a lame conservative political system is what makes switzerland so strong => zero currency fluctuations!<span id='postcolor'>

Actually,. Denmark is the country with most immingrants per citizen, we are also the country that gives most money away percentage of our BNP.

AND, we are also the country that is called a very offensive towards immigrants, we can thank the media for that.

We arent against immigrants, but trueth is, that after our last election, the media in europe got the idea that we were very hostile towards immigrants. This resulted in the lowest immigration to Denmark in 20 years, the crime rate went down, and our economics seemed to work fine again.

Now we only need our damn medical system to work properly....

But, we arent hostile towards immigrants, if people need shelter they are more than welcome to come here, but when people claim to NEED shelter to not getting killed, then 5 months later they go onvacation to their homecountry (where they are supposed to be hunted) and bring back their whole family.... then they continuisly go on vacaton to their old country... year after year.

our interest is, that the countries need to be able to work by themself, thats why we give them money to build cities up after wars, floods etc. Its not helping at all giving people hollydays to their old country, they need to get back. If Denmark got attacked ad i had to go to another country for shelter, I would be the first to go back and help rebuilding.

//Edit

Also, we are most likely to be called racists etc. from our neighbors such as sweden and norway for our sense of humor. In sweden for instance, people that buys and wears a t-shit with the Swedish flag are called nationalists... here its entirely different. We have no problem talking down to black people or any other race, just as well that black people doesnt have a problem talkin down to white people or any other race. We find it funny and since we know that race has nothing to do with behavior we dont take various accusions serious. This summer, I was in Sweden and weared a danish fćag on my T-shirt (Because im a member of a marching band and it requires it), then some guy come over calling me a racist, and since i cant help provocating him, i yell out loud: "HEIL HITLER!"... Omg, you should hear the silence afte that, and people just stared at me... well, thats the most embarrising moment of my life, and it told me that swedes absolutely no humor have left after the many racist attacks they have gotten. Obviously racism is a very tender subject over there. It happyli isnt here. It is no secret that many immigrants do crime, but alot of them behave llike we do thank god. Multiple magazines even made statistics (which btw is ilegal in other countries) like... 8 out of 10 crimes in my town (aalborg) is made by a person from another country, while only 8% of Aalborgs citizents is from other countires. Sure you can say its racism to make a judgement lik,e that. But we tend to believe its nessecary to know the problems before solving the,.

Anyway, im pretty drunk now and should goto bed... and thats why im gonna do it., so... bye bye, nighty nighty!

[Guest]

Ok, if we take it step by step.

The reason for the criticism towards Denmark is because Dansk Folkeparti got 12% of the votes in the election 2001. For you who don't know what Dansk Folkeparti is, it is an immigrant-hostile party, very similar to Heidler's in Austria or Le Pen's in France.

From their home page:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Denmark is not a country open for immigration, and the DF will not accept that Denmark develops into a multi-ethnic society.<span id='postcolor'>

Make your own conclusions.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually,. Denmark is the country with most immingrants per citizen, we are also the country that gives most money away percentage of our BNP.

<span id='postcolor'>

Utter rubbish. Croatia, with a population of 4,5 million has recieved over 1 million refugees from Bosnia and Yugoslavia.

Denmark is actually recieving far less refugees/capita then several other countries in the EU. Sweden is not so far behind you:

Source:European Council on Refugees and Exiles .

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This summer, I was in Sweden and weared a danish fćag on my T-shirt (Because im a member of a marching band and it requires it), then some guy come over calling me a racist, and since i cant help provocating him, i yell out loud: "HEIL HITLER!"... Omg, you should hear the silence afte that, and people just stared at me... well, thats the most embarrising moment of my life, and it told me that swedes absolutely no humor have left after the many racist attacks they have gotten.<span id='postcolor'>

Oh yes, yelling "heil hitler" is very humorous

Racist attacks? Huh?

[bn880 5]

Espectro, I think you should just agree you misunderstood some things, rather than argue with denoir. You will most likely not "win" and if you do he will ban you.

j/k

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">RCMP? Well, what can possibly happen, they pepper sprayed people<span id='postcolor'>

I was reffering to the RCMP investigations about the Liberal patronage scams, not the pepper-spray incedent.

Tyler

[UnSub 0]

Australia has two main political parties - the Liberals (centre right) and Labor (centre left). The Coalition (made up of the Liberals and the National Party, who don't seem to get much attention outside of elections) is very socially conservative. Other posts have already listed the attitudes of this Government to immigrants and welfare recipients - pretty poor. There's also been a quiet campaign of censorship that has been initiated by the Government. Thank god they do this or I may have to think for myself! :-]

I don't mind the GST - Australia needed a consumption tax. What wasn't done was an adequate reform of the tax system to accompany the GST's introduction. That's what has left a number of people screwed around.

Sadly, there is no real competition in the Australian political scene. Labor is pretty ineffectual while the Democrats (a left-wing protest party) is currently fighting itself. The Greens hold some power, but they will never get high enough to make large changes.

With any luck the Prime Minister John Howard will step down (although they may have to pry the position from his cold dead fingers) and someone else will step in... who will most likely be Peter Costello (personality of dead fish but semi-effective as Treasurer). Oh well...

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (UnSub @ Sep. 20 2002,05:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sadly, there is no real competition in the Australian political scene. Labor is pretty ineffectual while the Democrats (a left-wing protest party) is currently fighting itself. The Greens hold some power, but they will never get high enough to make large changes.

With any luck the Prime Minister John Howard will step down (although they may have to pry the position from his cold dead fingers) and someone else will step in... who will most likely be Peter Costello (personality of dead fish but semi-effective as Treasurer). Oh well...<span id='postcolor'>

That sounds so much like the Canadian political scene, it's scary.

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

3--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 20 2002,033)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ok, if we take it step by step.

The reason for the criticism towards Denmark is because Dansk Folkeparti got 12% of the votes in the election 2001. For you who don't know what Dansk Folkeparti is, it is an immigrant-hostile party, very similar to Heidler's in Austria or Le Pen's in France.

From their home page:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Denmark is not a country open for immigration, and the DF will not accept that Denmark develops into a multi-ethnic society.<span id='postcolor'>

Make your own conclusions.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually,. Denmark is the country with most immingrants per citizen, we are also the country that gives most money away percentage of our BNP.

<span id='postcolor'>

Utter rubbish. Croatia, with a population of 4,5 million has recieved over 1 million refugees from Bosnia and Yugoslavia.

Denmark is actually recieving far less refugees/capita then several other countries in the EU. Sweden is not so far behind you:

Source:European Council on Refugees and Exiles .

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This summer, I was in Sweden and weared a danish fćag on my T-shirt (Because im a member of a marching band and it requires it), then some guy come over calling me a racist, and since i cant help provocating him, i yell out loud: "HEIL HITLER!"... Omg, you should hear the silence afte that, and people just stared at me... well, thats the most embarrising moment of my life, and it told me that swedes absolutely no humor have left after the many racist attacks they have gotten.<span id='postcolor'>

Oh yes, yelling "heil hitler" is very humorous

Racist attacks? Huh?<span id='postcolor'>

The only reason why Dansk Folkeparty got 5% in the last election, is because alot of old people are voting on them, and they are happily not the future of our country.

I just think we are more relaxed here, and we dont really care what other countries think about us, as long as Denmark stays as the center of the universe

//Edit, and im talking about immigrants & refuegees, not only refugees. Well, it might be the wrong english word, but immigrants is people who come to a country just because they want to, either for job reasons etc. or because they want a better life etc. While refugees is people that are in danger for their life, and need shelter/suply temporary until things have cooled down in their home country.

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The only reason why Dansk Folkeparty got 5% in the last election, is because alot of old people are voting on them, and they are happily not the future of our country.

<span id='postcolor'> The far-right is on the rise all around Europe, but the're vote will plateau. The vote for the Danish Far-right is just like the rest of Europe.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Espectro @ Sep. 20 2002,10:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The only reason why Dansk Folkeparty got 5% in the last election, is because alot of old people are voting on them, and they are happily not the future of our country.<span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Danska valet 2001:

Socialdemokraterna 29,1% (–6,8)

Venstre 31,1% (+7,3)

Dansk folkeparti 12,0% (+4,6)

Konservative folkeparti 9,1% (+0,2)

Socialistiskt Folkeparti 6,4% (–1,2)

Centrumdemokraterna 1,8% (–2,5)

Radikale venstre 5,2% (+1,3)

Enhetslistan 2,4% (–0,3)

Kristeligt folkeparti 2,3% (–0,2)

Fremskridtspartiet 0,6% (–1,8)

<span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I just think we are more relaxed here, and we dont really care what other countries think about us, as long as Denmark stays as the center of the universe <span id='postcolor'>

Pia Kjćrsgaard is anything but relaxed. I don't see how locking up your borders is relaxed. The whole Dansih immigration policy has nothing relaxed about it. You are going on a minority witch hunt, and then try to claim that you are relaxed? Please!

Paratrooper: The difference is between the rest of Europe is that in Denmark Dansk folkeparti is the third largest party and holds many seats in parliament. The current Danish immigration policy is a product of them having that power. You can guess what people would be saying about France if they let Le Pen write the immigration laws.