Igi-2: codemasters sign sas hero as military cons

[theavonlady 2]

http://www.codemasters.com/igi2/english/chris_ryan.php

[theavonlady 2]

Ummm..................

The last word on the thread's subject line has been truncated. It should have said "consultant".

[Col. Kurtz 0]

Having military consultents seems to be bit of a trend with games these days. Soldier of Fortune has John Mullins, Delta Force:Black hawk Down is been developed wiht the help of Special Forces soldiers who were there etc. It is good, becuase then you know that what you are playing is at least partly authentic.

[Pukko 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 12 2002,13:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Having military consultents seems to be bit of a trend with games these days. Soldier of Fortune has John Mullins, Delta Force:Black hawk Down is been developed wiht the help of Special Forces soldiers who were there etc. It is good, becuase then you know that what you are playing is at least partly authentic.<span id='postcolor'>

based on that logic Americas Army would be 100% autenthic    

[Col. Kurtz 0]

It nearly kinda is.........

Hey, it has Shrapnel moddeling in it, not other FPS I have played has had Shrapnel moddeling, so AA is special

[kegetys 2]

I wonder how much stuff he can tell, I would quess SAS has their secrets... And how much of the stuff he tells the makers of IGI2 really care about. Might be just a marketing thing to make it seem more realistic than it really is

[ralphwiggum 6]

well, now we can con kiddies that some games are so realistinc

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Sep. 12 2002,18:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well, now we can con kiddies that some games are so realistinc <span id='postcolor'>

That's why they call them con sultans.

[IceFire 0]

Chris Ryan? He was in a discovery channel special on the Gulf war.

That guy, and his escape story from the gulf war is famous.

Why would he be doing games now though?

[Col. Kurtz 0]

Money......

Why right books about it and do interviews?

Money.........

Or maybe he has other reasons.

[Warin 0]

Chris Ryan isnt his name. That is his pen name.

Michael Asher wrote an excellent book about Bravo 2 0 called 'The Real Bravo Two Zero'. In it he debunks the McNab and Ryan books by doing two things:

He visits Iraq and meets with people actually involved.

He compares the Ryan and McNab books, and uses them to point out the inconsitencies and half truths in both books.

The thing is the story is just as 'heroic' in the way that it likely happened, but both Ryan and McNab took a shot at making themselves out as more than either really was.

Funny that he's being a front man for a video game. Sort of an ignominious fate for someone a part of one of the finest special forces groups in the world.

[IceFire 0]

Yeah exactly.  I mean he was an SAS soldier and a war legend from the gulf where he almost died if it was not for walking like a hundred miles in the desert while hallucinating.  It was one of the very legendary escape stories of SAS operatives.  

Now he's doing video games?

[WKK Gimbal 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kegetys @ Sep. 12 2002,16:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Might be just a marketing thing to make it seem more realistic than it really is <span id='postcolor'>

Ofcourse! It's not like Soldier of Fortune 2 has even a shard of realism in it, despite Mullins. I bet they put these guys' names on the cover of those games that are *least* realistic, in order to keep costumers from complaining.

[ran 0]

for ofp we got ......... erm ........ wait .... ah , yes , erex served in the czech army

[loopy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Sep. 13 2002,14:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">.

Michael Asher wrote an excellent book about Bravo 2 0 called 'The Real Bravo Two Zero'.  In it he debunks the McNab and Ryan books by doing two things:

He visits Iraq and meets with people actually involved.  

He compares the Ryan and McNab books, and uses them to point out the inconsitencies and half truths in both books.<span id='postcolor'>

What ryan did was lengendary but what gets me is Ryan and Mcnab both bagged off Phillips till the end sort of made him a scape goat it`s not as if he can answer back.(was one of b 2 0 that died rip).

We have done a thread on this.

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 13 2002,03:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Money......

Why right books about it and do interviews?

Money.........

Or maybe he has other reasons.<span id='postcolor'>

too much free time in hands ?

sudden interest for adventure and fiction litterature ?

pencils stock to waste ?

-edit-

for the fun's sake ?

narcisism ?

arrogance ?

[Longinius 1]

Exactly... money, money, money, mooooney.

And the guy isnt even really that special, except maybe for the fact that his books sold well.

[KingBeast 0]

I think anyone that can do what he did, ie walking across such a vast expanse of land and evading capture is special. However glorification on his part is something inevitable, and in truth i doubt there is a single book relating to a particular soldiers experiences that doesnt add a bit of glory. Even the so called "The truth about blah blah" books seem to me like another guys bid to get involved with the glory in claiming that he is right, and the others are wrong. As for him being an adviser to a game? its no more big a deal than him writing a book about his experiences. And in that I mean, his old comrades likely think very little of him for writing his book and betraying the secretive SAS , so advising for a game matters little after such disgrace.

[Longinius 1]

"I think anyone that can do what he did, ie walking across such a vast expanse of land and evading capture is special."

Well, I meant that he wasnt anything special considering what he has been trained for. I think most (every) other SAS soldier is capable of the same. And anyone else with the same "job" as they have. Yes, special when compared to an average couchjockey but not special when compared to his peers.

[Snake Plissken 0]

Military consultants won't make a game. I'm sure that many of the suggestions for realism they give are utterly ignored by the dev team, saying it's too difficult or it isn't fun, usually synonymous in game developement. I played the IGI demo and it failed to strike me as a half-decent game. The graphics were bad, there was no real reason for 'stealth,' since all the enemies were idiots, and did I mention the AI sucked? I don't know how they managed to get a second try, but after the first I have virtually no expectation of a decent game.

As for an SAS 'hero' working as a game consultant, why is it such a big deal? It beats walking 100 miles through the desert while hallucinating.

[Vinsen 0]

At least IGI2 will be quite good (hopefully). Whereas Andy McNabb's Team SAS looks dire.

[Col. Kurtz 0]

Yeah........

The engine looks alright for the jungle part, but look at the top right corber and it has a 'score bar'

That dosnt really paint a picture of it been a sim, more like an arcade shooter.

Just another example of someone trying to cash in on their title.

[Vinsen 0]

And as for "the most intense jungle environments ever seen in a videogame" Judging by the screenshots you'd be lucky to see your hand in front of your face due to the most intense fog ever seen in a videogame. I hope that sniper's got a thermal scope.

[DarkLight 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Vinsen @ Sep. 15 2002,18:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I hope that sniper's got a thermal scope.<span id='postcolor'>

What's a thermal scope?

[dayglow 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 16 2002,07:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah........

The engine looks alright for the jungle part, but look at the top right corber and it has a 'score bar'

That dosnt really paint a picture of it been a sim, more like an arcade shooter.

Just another example of someone trying to cash in on their title.<span id='postcolor'>

I don 't know if he's 'just' cashing in on his experiences. If he has no real knowladge of video games and such ( a lot of people don't play them ) He may have been approached and was told we'll give x amount of money to use your name and if he didn't really care about games, why not?

COLINMAN