Ukraine General

[sudayev 27]

subject of polish soldiers in Ukraine, I would rather see them on Russian side.

Good troll, especially after posting a video with separatist who threatened Poland for not letting Shoigu to fly over Polish territory

Edited January 21, 2015 by Sudayev

[beastcat 14]

Meanwhile in Graham Land

Lavrov said that "There are no weapons in Ukraine exept for russian and soviet weapons".

Edited January 21, 2015 by beastcat

[oxmox 73]

Separatists attack on airport

Quiete good camera footage, but Iam impressed with the sound quality i.e. tank drive in the night at the airport and wonder what type of microphone he was using, probably something else than a common RODE micro.

Edited January 21, 2015 by oxmox

[keeway 287]

Good troll, especially after posting a video with separatist who threatened Poland for not letting Shoigu to fly over Polish territory

Oh he threatened Poland, how dare he :(!? That was rather our political than Pavlov fault, Russia should break off diplomatic relations with us after this happened. While we are not local hegemon we should rather keep our heads low than engage in this conflict.

[beastcat 14]

U@W - Donetsk Airport has fallen

[mistyronin 1181]

U@W - Donetsk Airport has fallen

Seems that my predictions were right, unfortunately. That's gonna be a big blow to the Ukrainian morale.

( Kyiv Post ) Donetsk Airport overrun by rebels, say army volunteers

Social networks were abuzz with news that hundreds of Russian special forces and dozens of Russian military vehicles had been used during the takeover of the airport, but this information could not be independently verified.

The report follows announcements by Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council that Russia had sent several battalions of regular troops to Donbas. President Petro Poroshenko announced on Jan. 21 that over 2,000 Russian servicemen had recently crossed the border into Ukraine.

[negah 26]

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/land/army/2015/01/21/ukraine-us-army-russia/22119315/

American soldiers will deploy to Ukraine this spring to begin training four companies of the Ukrainian National Guard, the head of US Army Europe Lt. Gen Ben Hodges said during his first visit to Kiev on Wednesday.

In addition to US trainers, Washington is beginning to provide heavier military equipment to the government in Kiev. On Monday, the United States delivered the first prototype of an armored "Kozak" vehicle for use with the Ukrainian border guard, according to the US Embassy there.

http://ukraine.usembassy.gov/statements/kozak-01202015.html

EDIT:

http://itar-tass.com/en/world/772631

Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, Germany’s Frank-Walter Steinmeier, Ukraine’s Pavel Klimkin and France’s Laurent Fabius have succeeded in negotiating a statement on the withdrawal of heavy weapons from the line of contact stipulated in the Minsk agreements on September 19 as well as on intensifying the Contact Group’s work.

Still, the decision to hold a summit in “Normandy format†that Kazakhstan is ready to host has not been taken yet.

http://itar-tass.com/en/world/772641

Nine people died and nine others were wounded early on Thursday when a shell hit a tram stop in the city of Donetsk, eastern Ukraine, a defense ministry spokesman of the self-proclaimed Donetsk people’s republic said.

According to preliminary data, the shelling which occurred at around 8.30 a.m. local time (0530 GMT) came from a minibus with the use of mortars. As a result, a trolleybus and a car caught fire.

Head of the DPR Alexander Zakharchenko is due to arrive at the scene.

The shelling comes shortly after the foreign ministers Russia, Germany, Ukraine and France discussed steps in Berlin on Wednesday to reach progress in resolving the Ukrainian crisis.

Edited January 22, 2015 by negah

[aleksadragutin 9]

Seems that my predictions were right, unfortunately. That's gonna be a big blow to the Ukrainian morale.

( Kyiv Post ) Donetsk Airport overrun by rebels, say army volunteers

Now that's just irresponsible. You create a meat grinder, send one unit to fend off Separatist attacks, and then blame failure on something else, shifting the blame away from yourself.

[negah 26]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?236054-MPnet-Great-Flame-War-was-The-Original-Butthurt-thread/page8008

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=229293&d=1421913981 (145 kB)

According to one user on that forum this post "explains" why there are no photos or videos of russian forces in Ukraine, but since it is an image I cant use google translator.

Can someone give a more detailed summary?

Edited January 22, 2015 by negah

[mistyronin 1181]

( Al Jazeera ) Deadly shelling strikes bus in Ukraine's Donetsk

At least 13 people have been killed after a trolleybus was shelled in eastern Ukraine's Donetsk, an official said, hours after calls for ceasefire at a meeting in Berlin.

Amid the fresh fighting, Ukraine's military said on Thursday that it had withdrawn its forces from the main part of a disputed airport in rebel-held Donetsk after months of bloody fighting.

[Sub-Human 10]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?236054-MPnet-Great-Flame-War-was-The-Original-Butthurt-thread/page8008

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=229293&d=1421913981 (145 kB)

According to one user on that forum this post "explains" why there are no photos or videos of russian forces in Ukraine, but since it is an image I cant use google translator.

Can someone give a more detailed summary?

I don't think it explains anything...

Specifically, the third paragraph, says (according to my interpretation of Ukrainian :)) "Captured Russian mercenaries are not shown on Ukrainian TV, because for some 'delicate' reason these mercenaries are not allowed to be shown by our Intelligence Services". As for the why, that's anyone's guess.

Edited January 22, 2015 by Sub-Human

[surpher 1]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?236054-MPnet-Great-Flame-War-was-The-Original-Butthurt-thread/page8008

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=229293&d=1421913981 (145 kB)

According to one user on that forum this post "explains" why there are no photos or videos of russian forces in Ukraine, but since it is an image I cant use google translator.

Can someone give a more detailed summary?

Source: https://www.facebook.com/yura.stets.9

Translation via Bing

The reason that prompted me to write this post was not even need to be public and open to the public. And personal commitment, given all those constructively criticized, raised the issue, asked questions and tags. Obviously, I can't respond in on-line mode, except that the night before, as it is now.

So, to me, just like you don't like:-when the cynical bastards, hiding behind the identities of Russian journalists, punched materials in which bullied Ukrainian heroes and Patriots;

-This video on the Internet a lot, instead of frames captured our journalists almost nothing, everything is reduced to the dry statements of spokesmen (MO, ATO, NSDC, Staff, etc.);

videos from the detainees by Russian mercenary who came to destroy my country is not on the Ukrainian telechannels because IM from some "important" reasons not to give to shoot these urodìv our intelligence services;

-our told reporters at the forefront to develop literally burst, breaking wooden, tupu system as an obstacle course.

I also do not like: newspapers reported here in Ukraine, which is almost a copy of toilet paper titled "novorossiya";

-Ukrainian cable operators that allow you to broadcast Russian ÄmoÅ¡nì channels, like "Zvezda";

websites, the name of which ends with the ua, but the content is no different from "kisel′ovÅini."

What I'm going to do: For the immediate meeting of the Council of national security and defence, I make the consideration of all these and not just the issues on the agenda, will offer his vision of their solution and need an exploded solutions with a single and simple argument-war is not fog.

[negah 26]

Thanks both of you.

From what I understood the "proofs" are of the same sort as "we have bullet-proof evidence of blablabla, but we wont show it you, you have to believe us just so".

EDIT:

Kiev has blamed the rebels as always for the shelling (without any investigation yet again).

Seems those rebels are so sure of their cause, that they like to bomb the people they claim to protect just for fun, not fearing to antagonize those people towards themselves :rolleyes:

http://www.n24.de/n24/Nachrichten/Politik/d/6027370/-russland-muss-die-terroristen-stoppen-.html

"Durch solche terroristischen Attacken sterben friedliche Ukrainer. Russland muss die Terroristen stoppen", schrieb Außenminister Pawel Klimkin am Donnerstag bei Twitter.

Translation: "Peaceful ukrainians die because of such terroristic actions. Russia must stop the terrorists", posted the foreign minister Pawel Klimkin on Twitter on Thursday.

Kurz nach der Tragödie gaben die Aufständischen in Donezk die Festnahme mehrerer Verdächtiger bekannt. Die Männer seien für die Tat verantwortlich, behauptete ein Sprecher.

Translation: Shortly after this tragedy the rebels in Donetsk have reported the arrest of multiple suspects. According to them these men are responsible for the crime.

Edited January 22, 2015 by negah

[Tonci87 163]

U@W - Donetsk Airport has fallen

240 days, that is pretty impressive for a few dozen people. As I understand it the separatists managed to get into the lower floor and then blew up the pillars so that the whole building collapsed?

[ProfTournesol 956]

That's quite concerning. If Russia goes on fueling that civil war within one of their biggest neighbours, i fail to see how it could stop. We already see a never ending war in Syria and Irak, we European shouldn't accept one here.

[beastcat 14]

Meanwhile in so called "Novorossiya" the separatists take a captured soldier to the place of the Leninsky bus attack.
You can go to ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl for the article on the bus attack, but I won't directly link it, just to be safe from the forum rules.
The basics:
-A bus was hit by mortars.
-Many civilians died.
-Reports of outgoing mortar fire from the city into the city.
-The front is about 15-20km away.
-The separatists claim the army somehow managed to sneak a Vasilek mortar into the city, fire and get out without being seen by anyone.
-The separatists are know to use these type of mortars.
-These moratrs have a 4.27km max range

http://youtu.be/ZlOFK2mgGmA

240 days, that is pretty impressive for a few dozen people. As I understand it the separatists managed to get into the lower floor and then blew up the pillars so that the whole building collapsed?

I think only the second floor and parts of the first floor collapsed, if I recall correctly.


Oh and another prisoner parade:
Edited January 22, 2015 by beastcat

[Tonci87 163]

And yet more POW abuse. If those guys ever get captured by the Ukrainians or travel anywhere outside of their little region (except for Russia of course) they are in for life.

[mistyronin 1181]

And yet more POW abuse. If those guys ever get captured by the Ukrainians or travel anywhere outside of their little region (except for Russia of course) they are in for life.

Unless there's a serious political change in Russia, then they would be screwed...

[ProfTournesol 956]

That political change isn't really forseeable, sadly.

[negah 26]

And yet more POW abuse. If those guys ever get captured by the Ukrainians or travel anywhere outside of their little region (except for Russia of course) they are in for life.

Yes because the ukrainians are famed for POW abuse themselves. They also like to burn innocent people in a house and beat survivors to death. So everyone is behaving just like they expect the other side will behave.

[mistyronin 1181]

They also like to burn innocent people in a house and beat survivors to death.

Although Goebbles said that "If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth", it doesn't.

It has been commented enough in this thread, for good or for bad, there were live streaming that showed how the fire started because of the Molotov cocktails the pro-Russians threw from the roof. Pro-Russians that had arrived to Odessa with white vans with the DPR logo.

[Tonci87 163]

Yes because the ukrainians are famed for POW abuse themselves. They also like to burn innocent people in a house and beat survivors to death. So everyone is behaving just like they expect the other side will behave.

I have yet to see any Ukrainian soldiers abusing any POWs. The separatists on the other hand are not even shy of abusing journalists they don´t like. As Misty already told you, the thing in Odessa was live streamed, the pro Russians themselves were responsible for the fire.

[negah 26]

Well it doesnt change the fact that people were beaten to death outside of the house.

But it was discussed many times already.

[ProfTournesol 956]

The problem is the extensive use of irregulars on both sides. Volunteers batallions on the Ukrainian side vs irregular separatists and Russian tourists on the other side.

[mistyronin 1181]

Well it doesnt change the fact that people were beaten to death outside of the house.

That's true there were intensive violence between both sides that day, and yeah part of the Ukrainian people wanted to lynch the armed Russians that infiltrated in Odessa ( also shown in the streaming ). And thank God the Ukrainian Police prevented most of that.

And no one is saying that Ukrainians have done everything perfectly. But the main difference is that most of that parades, summary executions and tortures are signed by the "DPR" government ( and approved by their overlords in the Kremlin ) while the Ukrainian Gov. is trying to avoid excesses.

Edited January 22, 2015 by MistyRonin