Rob 1 Posted September 4, 2002 I think this one is quite funny but your going to have to wait for it...             Military       Civi Soviet Union:   10,000,000    10,000,000 China:        2,500,000     7,400,000 Great Britain:    300,000       50,000 United States:   274,000        0 < FUNNY PART France:       250,000       350,000 Germany:      4,500,000     2,000,000 Japan:        2,000,000     350,000 Italy:         400,000       100,000 It seems funny how the Americans didn't loose 1! single soul out of WW2, and its strange how the US, Britain and France were the one to loose nothing compaired to the other countries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hit_Sqd_Maximus 0 Posted September 4, 2002 Are nurses considered civillian? if so im sure the US lost some. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted September 4, 2002 I dont think its that funny. Plus, those numbers are obviously rounded by the 1000s Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted September 4, 2002 cause the war never reached US soil. except for pearl habor. but then pealr harbor was a military installation. soviets lost a lot since they were relying heavy on human numbers, Germany was the perpetraitor who fought in all fronts. France lost a lot of civilians, but i guess some of them were part of resistance. but llok at china.civilian death is 3 times that of soldiers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted September 4, 2002 Rob, you (or your original source) are misinterpreting widely quoted numbers. <span style='font-family:Courier New'>European Military and Civilian Casualties Country Military Strength KIA/MIA  WIA    POW     Civilian Casualties Belgium 650,000 8,000 15,900 200,000 12,000 Bulgaria 500,000 32,000 50,000 (1) Canada 1,100,000 39,300 53,200 9,000 Czechoslovakia 5,000 21,500 Denmark 6,600 1,000 Finland 6,500 158,000 3,400 France 4,000,000 122,000 335,000 1,456,500 470,000 Germany 17,900,000 3,250,000 4,606,000 7,856,600 2,350,000 (2) Greece 18,300 60,000 78,300 415,000 (3) Hungary 136,000 250,000 300,000 Italy 226,900 60,000 Netherlands 400,000 13,700 6,900 150,000 (4) Norway 25,000 2,000 3,800 Poland 1,490,000 70,800 146,700 787,000 5,300,000 (5) Rumania 540,000 381,000 243,000 340,000 UK 5,896,000 305,800 277,100 172,600 146,800 USA 16,354,000 405,400 670,800 139,700 USSR 30,000,000 11,000,000 6,000,000 6,700,000 Totals 78,866,600 16,017,700 6,822,600 16,699,700 16,323,500 (6) German occupied countries continued to have armies in exile. Eastern occupied countries fought for the Germans, and the Russians against the Germans. Empty cells indicate information is unavailable. Loss figures are for all theaters of operation.   1) Bulgarian losses KIA/MIA/WIA could not be broken down. Civilian losses include 40,000 Jews  2) Civilian losses include 300,000 killed by the NAZI's.   3) 260,000 civilians died from famine.   4) Civilian losses include deaths in the pacific theater.   5) Civilian losses include 4,800,000 concentration camp victims.   6) Yugoslavian losses total 1.5 to 1.7 million which are not included in this table.  </span> The important part is that Empty cells indicate information is unavailable, not that there were zero losses. Otherwise, you might conclude from this information that Italy did not fight in WWII, for example. (Edited to try to teach stupid IconBoard how to format tables) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duke_of_Ray 0 Posted September 4, 2002 Im glad no U.S. civilians died, and its is very sad that other civilian people died. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob 1 Posted September 4, 2002 Mister Frag you always have to push it that little bit further to show everyone how intelligent you are Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Warin 0 Posted September 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rob @ Sep. 05 2002,01:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Mister Frag you always have to push it that little bit further to show everyone how intelligent you are   <span id='postcolor'> Nah, he was just making a point. But your point is also very valid. The US suffered no major civilian losses, and virtually no destruction on it's home soil (Other than Pearl Harbour, and that was technically before WWII ) Canadians were even luckier. Us North Americans dont really understand the concept of having our homes reduced to rubble just because we live too close to a factory Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edc 0 Posted September 5, 2002 Civilians died during Pearl Harbor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted September 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rob @ Sep. 04 2002,16:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Mister Frag you always have to push it that little bit further to show everyone how intelligent you are   <span id='postcolor'> I never claimed to be more intelligent than anyone else, nor do I make claims to the contrary about you or any other forum members. Have a good look at my signature... Anyway, I only pointed out why your interpretation of that data was incorrect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Warin 0 Posted September 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (edc @ Sep. 05 2002,02:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Civilians died during Pearl Harbor.<span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The US suffered no major civilian losses<span id='postcolor'> Anyone who wants to compare US civilian losses in WW II with any Eurpopean nation had better put on a flameproof suit, because I will happily point out their rather flawed and feeble logic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob 1 Posted September 5, 2002 well i wasn't making a statement to the nearest 1 death, but it can't be "incorrect" because i got it from a history book. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Warin 0 Posted September 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rob @ Sep. 05 2002,03:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well i wasn't making a statement to the nearest 1 death, but it can't be "incorrect" because i got it from a history book.<span id='postcolor'> Heh. Be careful with that statement I am sure history books written in every nation have a slightly different view of things. History is a pretty tenuous thing. Read 1984 by George Orwell for a better idea of what I mean. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted September 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rob @ Sep. 04 2002,18:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well i wasn't making a statement to the nearest 1 death, but it can't be "incorrect" because i got it from a history book.<span id='postcolor'> You actually have a history book that says that no American civilians died in WWII? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Assault (CAN) 1 Posted September 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Read 1984 by George Orwell for a better idea of what I mean.<span id='postcolor'> Quite a good read, and a scary one at that. Have you read 'Brave New World' by Aldous Huxley? Anyways, doesn't anyone remember that one family that was killed by a Japanese 'Balloon Bomb' in the U.S.? Does anyone have the casualty list from the Pacific theatre? </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Military Strength: Canada = Â 1,100,000 Â <span id='postcolor'> Think about it, from a nation of barely 11 million people, we managed to get 1.1 million of them in uniform without using consription, no wonder our taxes are so high. Â Tyler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Col. Kurtz 0 Posted September 5, 2002 The fact that no US civilaisn on the mainland were killed is not true. I have no links or pics to show it, put a family of 7 were killed when a Japanese parachute bomb landed outside their farmhouse door. They went to investigate and it exploded killing them all. Most of the parachute bombs never even got close to America. It was just their bad luck it landed near them.REMEMBER, THIS IS FROM THE TOP OF MY HEAD, ACTUAL FACTS MAY DIFFER. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted September 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 05 2002,09:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The fact that no US civilaisn on the mainland were killed is not true. I have no links or pics to show it, put a family of 7 were killed when a Japanese parachute bomb landed outside their farmhouse door. They went to investigate and it exploded killing them all. Most of the parachute bombs never even got close to America. It was just their bad luck it landed near them.REMEMBER, THIS IS FROM THE TOP OF MY HEAD, ACTUAL FACTS MAY DIFFER.<span id='postcolor'> Baloon bombs, someone mentioned them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Col. Kurtz 0 Posted September 5, 2002 I mentioned them a few weeks ago. They were very innefective and most were blown off course or exploding in the wildness of Alaska. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted September 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 05 2002,09:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I mentioned them a few weeks ago. They were very innefective and most were blown off course or exploding in the wildness of Alaska.<span id='postcolor'> Well they could have carried some very nasty stuff to America but cleverly they covered them up, Japan assumed they weren't working and gave up on them. Japan did have the plague which they used on China. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Col. Kurtz 0 Posted September 5, 2002 Lucky indeed. If all the Americans here had not been born becuase their families had been annialahted in the 40',who would we be mean too? Forums with no Duke of Ray? Wheres all the fun? And on another note,Im sure I read somewhere that Britain suffered 1,000,000 casulties during the course of the war.I think it was KIA, but Ill say Casaulites to be safe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLight 0 Posted September 5, 2002 Hmmm, I suppose the Resistance is not included? Cuz they probable suffered many loses too... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted September 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Sep. 05 2002,07:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hmmm, I suppose the Resistance is not included? Cuz they probable suffered many loses too...<span id='postcolor'> Which country are you referring to? Resistance losses would be included under civilian losses, I would think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLight 0 Posted September 5, 2002 Pretty much every country i think, as far as i know most countries had a resistance..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bogo 0 Posted September 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Sep. 05 2002,01:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Rob, you (or your original source) are misinterpreting widely quoted numbers. <span style='font-family:Courier New'>European Military and Civilian Casualties Country Military Strength KIA/MIA  WIA    POW     Civilian Casualties Belgium     650,000    8,000   15,900   200,000   12,000  Bulgaria     500,000      32,000           50,000 (1)  Canada     1,100,000   39,300   53,200    9,000   Czechoslovakia   5,000   21,500  Denmark      6,600                   1,000  Finland      6,500   158,000   3,400  France     4,000,000   122,000  335,000  1,456,500  470,000  Germany    17,900,000  3,250,000 4,606,000  7,856,600 2,350,000 (2)  Greece            18,300   60,000   78,300  415,000 (3)  Hungary           136,000  250,000        300,000  Italy            226,900             60,000  Netherlands   400,000   13,700   6,900  150,000 (4)  Norway      25,000    2,000   3,800  Poland     1,490,000   70,800  146,700   787,000 5,300,000 (5)  Rumania     540,000   381,000  243,000   340,000  UK       5,896,000   305,800  277,100   172,600 146,800  USA      16,354,000   405,400  670,800   139,700   USSR     30,000,000 11,000,000 6,000,000  6,700,000  Totals    78,866,600 16,017,700 6,822,600 16,699,700 16,323,500 (6) German occupied countries continued to have armies in exile. Eastern occupied countries fought for the Germans, and the Russians against the Germans. Empty cells indicate information is unavailable. Loss figures are for all theaters of operation.   1) Bulgarian losses KIA/MIA/WIA could not be broken down. Civilian losses include 40,000 Jews  2) Civilian losses include 300,000 killed by the NAZI's.   3) 260,000 civilians died from famine.   4) Civilian losses include deaths in the pacific theater.   5) Civilian losses include 4,800,000 concentration camp victims.   6) Yugoslavian losses total 1.5 to 1.7 million which are not included in this table.  </span> The important part is that Empty cells indicate information is unavailable, not that there were zero losses. Otherwise, you might conclude from this information that Italy did not fight in WWII, for example. (Edited to try to teach stupid IconBoard how to format tables)<span id='postcolor'> Wich source have u used? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted September 5, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Sep. 04 2002,23:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">France lost a lot of civilians, but i guess some of them were part of resistance.<span id='postcolor'> not every frenchman was a resistant , in fact , we can consider that actually less than 5% of the french population resisted (by resistaing , i mean fighting with a gun in your hands and participating to sabotage actions) most of the losses were due to the german and then allied bombers then come the german represails against the french population Share this post Link to post Share on other sites