Ww2 major loses

[Rob 1]

I think this one is quite funny but your going to have to wait for it...

                        Military             Civi

Soviet Union:    10,000,000       10,000,000

China:              2,500,000         7,400,000

Great Britain:      300,000            50,000

United States:    274,000               0 < FUNNY PART

France:             250,000            350,000

Germany:          4,500,000         2,000,000

Japan:              2,000,000         350,000

Italy:                400,000            100,000

It seems funny how the Americans didn't loose 1! single soul out of WW2, and its strange how the US, Britain and France were the one to loose nothing compaired to the other countries.

[Hit_Sqd_Maximus 0]

Are nurses considered civillian? if so im sure the US lost some.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

I dont think its that funny. Plus, those numbers are obviously rounded by the 1000s

[ralphwiggum 6]

cause the war never reached US soil. except for pearl habor. but then pealr harbor was a military installation.

soviets lost a lot since they were relying heavy on human numbers, Germany was the perpetraitor who fought in all fronts.

France lost a lot of civilians, but i guess some of them were part of resistance.

but llok at china.civilian death is 3 times that of soldiers.

[Mister Frag 0]

Rob, you (or your original source) are misinterpreting widely quoted numbers.

<span style='font-family:Courier New'>European Military and Civilian Casualties

Country Military Strength KIA/MIA   WIA       POW        Civilian Casualties

Belgium 650,000 8,000 15,900 200,000 12,000

Bulgaria 500,000 32,000 50,000 (1)

Canada 1,100,000 39,300 53,200 9,000

Czechoslovakia 5,000 21,500

Denmark 6,600 1,000

Finland 6,500 158,000 3,400

France 4,000,000 122,000 335,000 1,456,500 470,000

Germany 17,900,000 3,250,000 4,606,000 7,856,600 2,350,000 (2)

Greece 18,300 60,000 78,300 415,000 (3)

Hungary 136,000 250,000 300,000

Italy 226,900 60,000

Netherlands 400,000 13,700 6,900 150,000 (4)

Norway 25,000 2,000 3,800

Poland 1,490,000 70,800 146,700 787,000 5,300,000 (5)

Rumania 540,000 381,000 243,000 340,000

UK 5,896,000 305,800 277,100 172,600 146,800

USA 16,354,000 405,400 670,800 139,700

USSR 30,000,000 11,000,000 6,000,000 6,700,000

Totals 78,866,600 16,017,700 6,822,600 16,699,700 16,323,500 (6)

German occupied countries continued to have armies in exile. Eastern occupied countries fought for the Germans, and the Russians against the Germans. Empty cells indicate information is unavailable. Loss figures are for all theaters of operation.  

 

1) Bulgarian losses KIA/MIA/WIA could not be broken down. Civilian losses include 40,000 Jews  

2) Civilian losses include 300,000 killed by the NAZI's.    

3) 260,000 civilians died from famine.    

4) Civilian losses include deaths in the pacific theater.    

5) Civilian losses include 4,800,000 concentration camp victims.    

6) Yugoslavian losses total 1.5 to 1.7 million which are not included in this table.  </span>

The important part is that Empty cells indicate information is unavailable, not that there were zero losses. Otherwise, you might conclude from this information that Italy did not fight in WWII, for example.

(Edited to try to teach stupid IconBoard how to format tables)

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

Im glad no U.S. civilians died, and its is very sad that other civilian people died.

[Rob 1]

Mister Frag you always have to push it that little bit further to show everyone how intelligent you are

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rob @ Sep. 05 2002,01:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Mister Frag you always have to push it that little bit further to show everyone how intelligent you are    <span id='postcolor'>

Nah, he was just making a point.

But your point is also very valid. The US suffered no major civilian losses, and virtually no destruction on it's home soil (Other than Pearl Harbour, and that was technically before WWII ) Canadians were even luckier.

Us North Americans dont really understand the concept of having our homes reduced to rubble just because we live too close to a factory

[edc 0]

Civilians died during Pearl Harbor.

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rob @ Sep. 04 2002,16:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Mister Frag you always have to push it that little bit further to show everyone how intelligent you are    <span id='postcolor'>

I never claimed to be more intelligent than anyone else, nor do I make claims to the contrary about you or any other forum members. Have a good look at my signature...

Anyway, I only pointed out why your interpretation of that data was incorrect.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (edc @ Sep. 05 2002,02:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Civilians died during Pearl Harbor.<span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The US suffered no major civilian losses<span id='postcolor'>

Anyone who wants to compare US civilian losses in WW II with any Eurpopean nation had better put on a flameproof suit, because I will happily point out their rather flawed and feeble logic

[Rob 1]

well i wasn't making a statement to the nearest 1 death, but it can't be "incorrect" because i got it from a history book.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rob @ Sep. 05 2002,03:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well i wasn't making a statement to the nearest 1 death, but it can't be "incorrect" because i got it from a history book.<span id='postcolor'>

Heh. Be careful with that statement I am sure history books written in every nation have a slightly different view of things. History is a pretty tenuous thing. Read 1984 by George Orwell for a better idea of what I mean.

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Rob @ Sep. 04 2002,18:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well i wasn't making a statement to the nearest 1 death, but it can't be "incorrect" because i got it from a history book.<span id='postcolor'>

You actually have a history book that says that no American civilians died in WWII?

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Read 1984 by George Orwell for a better idea of what I mean.<span id='postcolor'>

Quite a good read, and a scary one at that. Have you read 'Brave New World' by Aldous Huxley?

Anyways, doesn't anyone remember that one family that was killed by a Japanese 'Balloon Bomb' in the U.S.?

Does anyone have the casualty list from the Pacific theatre?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Military Strength: Canada =  1,100,000  <span id='postcolor'>

Think about it, from a nation of barely 11 million people, we managed to get 1.1 million of them in uniform without using consription, no wonder our taxes are so high.  

Tyler

[Col. Kurtz 0]

The fact that no US civilaisn on the mainland were killed is not true. I have no links or pics to show it, put a family of 7 were killed when a Japanese parachute bomb landed outside their farmhouse door. They went to investigate and it exploded killing them all. Most of the parachute bombs never even got close to America. It was just their bad luck it landed near them.REMEMBER, THIS IS FROM THE TOP OF MY HEAD, ACTUAL FACTS MAY DIFFER.

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 05 2002,09:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The fact that no US civilaisn on the mainland were killed is not true. I have no links or pics to show it, put a family of 7 were killed when a Japanese parachute bomb landed outside their farmhouse door. They went to investigate and it exploded killing them all. Most of the parachute bombs never even got close to America. It was just their bad luck it landed near them.REMEMBER, THIS IS FROM THE TOP OF MY HEAD, ACTUAL FACTS MAY DIFFER.<span id='postcolor'>

Baloon bombs, someone mentioned them.

[Col. Kurtz 0]

I mentioned them a few weeks ago. They were very innefective and most were blown off course or exploding in the wildness of Alaska.

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 05 2002,09:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I mentioned them a few weeks ago. They were very innefective and most were blown off course or exploding in the wildness of Alaska.<span id='postcolor'>

Well they could have carried some very nasty stuff to America but cleverly they covered them up, Japan assumed they weren't working and gave up on them. Japan did have the plague which they used on China.

[Col. Kurtz 0]

Lucky indeed. If all the Americans here had not been born becuase their families had been annialahted in the 40',who would we be mean too? Forums with no Duke of Ray? Wheres all the fun?

And on another note,Im sure I read somewhere that Britain suffered 1,000,000 casulties during the course of the war.I think it was KIA, but Ill say Casaulites to be safe

[DarkLight 0]

Hmmm, I suppose the Resistance is not included?

Cuz they probable suffered many loses too...

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Sep. 05 2002,07:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hmmm, I suppose the Resistance is not included?

Cuz they probable suffered many loses too...<span id='postcolor'>

Which country are you referring to? Resistance losses would be included under civilian losses, I would think.

[DarkLight 0]

Pretty much every country i think, as far as i know most countries had a resistance.....

[bogo 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Sep. 05 2002,01:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Rob, you (or your original source) are misinterpreting widely quoted numbers.

<span style='font-family:Courier New'>European Military and Civilian Casualties

Country Military Strength KIA/MIA   WIA       POW        Civilian Casualties

Belgium         650,000      8,000    15,900    200,000    12,000  

Bulgaria        500,000          32,000                    50,000 (1)  

Canada        1,100,000     39,300    53,200      9,000    

Czechoslovakia    5,000     21,500  

Denmark           6,600                                     1,000  

Finland           6,500    158,000     3,400  

France        4,000,000    122,000   335,000  1,456,500   470,000  

Germany      17,900,000  3,250,000 4,606,000  7,856,600 2,350,000 (2)  

Greece                      18,300    60,000     78,300   415,000 (3)  

Hungary                    136,000   250,000              300,000  

Italy                      226,900                         60,000  

Netherlands     400,000     13,700     6,900   150,000 (4)  

Norway           25,000      2,000     3,800  

Poland        1,490,000     70,800   146,700    787,000 5,300,000 (5)  

Rumania         540,000    381,000   243,000    340,000  

UK            5,896,000    305,800   277,100    172,600 146,800  

USA          16,354,000    405,400   670,800    139,700    

USSR         30,000,000 11,000,000 6,000,000  6,700,000  

Totals       78,866,600 16,017,700 6,822,600 16,699,700 16,323,500 (6)

German occupied countries continued to have armies in exile. Eastern occupied countries fought for the Germans, and the Russians against the Germans. Empty cells indicate information is unavailable. Loss figures are for all theaters of operation.  

 

1) Bulgarian losses KIA/MIA/WIA could not be broken down. Civilian losses include 40,000 Jews  

2) Civilian losses include 300,000 killed by the NAZI's.    

3) 260,000 civilians died from famine.    

4) Civilian losses include deaths in the pacific theater.    

5) Civilian losses include 4,800,000 concentration camp victims.    

6) Yugoslavian losses total 1.5 to 1.7 million which are not included in this table.  </span>

The important part is that Empty cells indicate information is unavailable, not that there were zero losses. Otherwise, you might conclude from this information that Italy did not fight in WWII, for example.

(Edited to try to teach stupid IconBoard how to format tables)<span id='postcolor'>

Wich source have u used?

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Sep. 04 2002,23:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">France lost a lot of civilians, but i guess some of them were part of resistance.<span id='postcolor'>

not every frenchman was a resistant , in fact , we can consider that actually less than 5% of the french population resisted (by resistaing , i mean fighting with a gun in your hands and participating to sabotage actions)

most of the losses were due to the german and then allied bombers

then come the german represails against the french population