The jip argument revisted

[Aculaud 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Aug. 27 2002,00:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One thing lets assume ofp did get JIP, theres one thing you could do is, have a passworded server for all you super mature ppl who fear any game with JIP because it has jip which means only cheaters and kids play it.<span id='postcolor'>

lol, have we touched a nerve?

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Aug. 27 2002,09:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">global ops is also a simalr game to cs gameplay and nothing like ofp, and also thats a free demo "free". Look at cs its an arcade dm game the ppl that play that r different to ofpers, pretty much every mp game ive played my life has had jip and i have yet to have a problem with cheaters. All i can say is if ppl arnt cheatin and stuff now they never will be.<span id='postcolor'>

maybe i didn't do a good followup, but i bet most of the demo players have now moved to 2.0 patch. the demo was 2.0beta, and with $20, you can buy Global Ops 1.0 and get free patch.

so i doubt if it was only related to demo.

yes, all FPS so far had JIP, but they all had cheaters and kiddies cursing. ppl are not cheating and seldom happens in OFP, but i do occasionally see them. and if OFP opens its gate now, then it is still ripe for those kiddies to come and cheat and curse.

we still ahve kiddies around. as i said earlier, i was playing with a squad, and this one kid screws it all up. if that was a DM or CTF, i don't mind. but some kiddies will eventually flood into COOP and that i don't want. kiddie who get tired of human players will come to coop for easy AI killing and mess up the mission if JIP is avaialbe.

but then again, no coop server will have JIP so my worry for coop is that those kids will wait around(they got tired of DM,CTF) and then screw things up.

[HellToupee 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Aug. 27 2002,21:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">IL2, flight sims are for mature ppl thesedays. so you automatically have mature ppl playing only. unfortunately, OFP is FPS degrees.

it's not speculation. what does ofp lack from other FPS MP? JIP. right..OFP distinguishes itself from other FPS MP with lack of JIP. as i said earlier, those who have little patients tend to be those who curse and cheat. if it is ieasier for them to comein, they will come.<span id='postcolor'>

OFP may be fps buts its just as a simulation as il2 so it falls into the same group the competeing game if ofp got jip is bf1942, now which one would the kids flock to?

OFP distinguishes itself? well it dosnt most ppl havent even heard of the game even these so called hardcore realsim fans who play infiltration and AA dont know. They wotn come because its not the came thats suits them, infiltration has jip wheres the kiddies there?

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Aug. 27 2002,09:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One thing lets assume ofp did get JIP, theres one thing you could do is, have a passworded server for all you super mature ppl who fear any game with JIP because it has jip which means only cheaters and kids play it.<span id='postcolor'>

that's not a good idea...for ppl who are not in a clan, and seldom play, how can they convince the server admin that they are serious and get password?

[Aculaud 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Aug. 27 2002,00:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">OFP distinguishes itself? well it dosnt most ppl havent even heard of the game even these so called hardcore realsim fans who play infiltration and AA dont know. They wotn come because its not the came thats suits them, infiltration has jip wheres the kiddies there?<span id='postcolor'>

Ever played DF:landwarrior? That game was meant to be just as much of a simulation as all these others we're talking about, and that was swarming with all sorts of evil-doers.

[HellToupee 0]

with the gogogog thing i get that every game still, not from kids but from the regualars, and even they get pissed after 3 reassigns from brief to get more players. I play rtcw thats a big JIP game yet cheats are not a problem, kids few, dont compare ofp to cs or similar game, kids find ofp too hard they wont come.

And if they ever did come, but im sure kids dont play ofp you can always go play on a passworded server.

[Aculaud 0]

Maybe its just me, but i have yet to see OFPs difficulty dissuade anyone of a younger age from playing it.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What proof is there that JIP will turn ofp into a kiddie cheater feast, and how many of those new ppl that will actually play the game be in the unwanted catgeroy?<span id='postcolor'>

then what proof do you have that JIP will not affect player pool?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">OFP may be fps buts its just as a simulation as il2 so it falls into the same group the competeing game if ofp got jip is bf1942, now which one would the kids flock to?

OFP distinguishes itself? well it dosnt most ppl havent even heard of the game even these so called hardcore realsim fans who play infiltration and AA dont know. They wotn come because its not the came thats suits them, infiltration has jip wheres the kiddies there?<span id='postcolor'>

IL2 has age group that is more mature then FPSs in general. I know some ppl on forum who plays that are still in early yrs of highschool, same agae group as kiddies. kids would flock to both IMO. then they will see OFPR's superior graphics and then come over here.

reason why Infiltration has not been so famous is because it's a user-mod, not to mention that UT negine is not famous for kiddies. look at AA, upon beginning all servers were full of kiddies going "i'm tha man". but soon they started complaing that guns don't shoot accurately and so on. good thing that Army is the one who made it. otherwise those kiddies would claim that they know how to shoot and know what 'realism' is. one time i checked on gamespy and there were 320-ish ppl playing on it. OFP's numbers were similar to that.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Aug. 27 2002,09:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I play rtcw thats a big JIP game yet cheats are not a problem, kids few, dont compare ofp to cs or similar game, kids find ofp too hard they wont come.<span id='postcolor'>

or use cheats

[HellToupee 0]

there are 6000 servers for AA so more than 300ppl play Aa has got one up on ofp, it supports All seeing eye and now has ingame browser, and JIP, i dont play it and if there r kids playin ofp beeing young dosnt make you a tker useless cheater etc, ive beein playin mp since i was 12 im 17, ive never cheated or been a lamer ive had enjoyable games and even beatin alot of so called mature ppl.

I repeat again passworded server.

[HellToupee 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Aug. 27 2002,21:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Aug. 27 2002,09:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I play rtcw thats a big JIP game yet cheats are not a problem, kids few, dont compare ofp to cs or similar game, kids find ofp too hard they wont come.<span id='postcolor'>

or use cheats <span id='postcolor'>

and where will they get these cheats sum coder will have to make em, aim bots would be useless in ofp as they only point crosshair at target. Unlim ammo has been brought up but ive yet to see it, if sum one is going thru the trouble to make them a 30min wait wont stop them, the 30min wait is a negative externailty not positive, i cant see waitin 30min to play a game.

And that remark about infiltration beeing not well know etc, its got more people playin mp than ofp.

You r so short sighted all u see is cheats and kids coming hell why play any game kids and cheats must play, JIP would make so many new ways of playin ofp possible.

[HellToupee 0]

a picture tells 1000 words.

http://www.gpforums.co.nz/attachment.php?s=&postid=1386222

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and where will they get these cheats sum coder will have to make em, aim bots would be useless in ofp as they only point crosshair at target. Unlim ammo has been brought up but ive yet to see it, if sum one is going thru the trouble to make them a 30min wait wont stop them, the 30min wait is a negative externailty not positive, i cant see waitin 30min to play a game<span id='postcolor'>

we already have cheats for OFP. i personally saw unlimited ammo AND no-dieing cheat. aim bots are not going to be in OFP, but you ca nbet that some idiot will think of ways to place red dot on enemy's face and thus make it easier to identify.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And that remark about infiltration beeing not well know etc, its got more people playin mp than ofp.

You r so short sighted all u see is cheats and kids coming hell why play any game kids and cheats must play, JIP would make so many new ways of playin ofp possible. <span id='postcolor'>

and proof of that?

all i see is clear possibility of cheats. i never thought i'd see that during my MP games(until a few weeks ago). JIP, would make one thing possible. easier to get in. that's it. not much else. and benfit and cost needs to be looked. benefit. long CM,DM matches. cost: kiddies just joining for a few frag fest, then talk bullshit about how 'unrealistic' or sucky OFP is.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Aug. 27 2002,09:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">a picture tells 1000 words.

http://www.gpforums.co.nz/attachment.php?s=&postid=1386222<span id='postcolor'>

yes...a picture of a ping that reaches 1000.

see the point? in any game ppl over 300 pings are seldom welcome. you are showing me some pics of pings that are way too high for any game to play adequately. and there are a few servers on that picture that seems playable.

[HellToupee 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Aug. 27 2002,21:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">we already have cheats for OFP. i personally saw unlimited ammo AND no-dieing cheat. aim bots are not going to be in OFP, but you ca nbet that some idiot will think of ways to place red dot on enemy's face and thus make it easier to identify.<span id='postcolor'>

one every person has a unique id from the cd key, like rtcw most nz servers all work together to all ban players that cause probs, if the cheats r there not havin JIP wont make them go away and how many ppl that would then start playin ofp would be cheaters well only a tiny fraction, still better than no players and as i said before passworded server

AA i dont like it much but it dosnt have cheat or kid problems and look at how many ppl play, givin ofp wont make ofp cs popular but more AA as it is now popular.

http://www.gpforums.co.nz/attachment.php?s=&postid=1386279

[HellToupee 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Aug. 27 2002,22:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Aug. 27 2002,09:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">a picture tells 1000 words.

http://www.gpforums.co.nz/attachment.php?s=&postid=1386222<span id='postcolor'>

yes...a picture of a ping that reaches 1000.

see the point? in any game ppl over 300 pings are seldom welcome. you are showing me some pics of pings that are way too high for any game to play adequately. and there are a few servers on that picture that seems playable.<span id='postcolor'>

i ahve games stacked with players ranked highest to lowest showing about 12 ppl playin ofpr in total, oo ofpr is doing well not.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">one every person has a unique id from the cd key, like rtcw most nz servers all work together to all ban players that cause probs, if the cheats r there not havin JIP wont make them go away and how many ppl that would then start playin ofp would be cheaters well only a tiny fraction, still better than no players and as i said before passworded server

AA i dont like it much but it dosnt have cheat or kid problems and look at how many ppl play, givin ofp wont make ofp cs popular but more AA as it is now popular.

<span id='postcolor'>

in Nz, you can regulate since there are a few servers. in US alone there are numerous servers. how do you think we are able to coordiante all the ban list? we had that discussion a few months ago on the forum, but it went no where.

not having JIP won't stop some cheatings, but it will deter them. if JIP is iplemented, some no-patient kiddie will come and start frag fest. the point of those kiddies is that they want instant fun. and what lack of JIP does is that such players are prevented from playing by making them not able to have that instant fun. should JIP be implemented, that little device will go away, and we can expect a shit load of kiddies run around.

and AA is more popular cause? it is backed by 7 million dollar project funding, which pretty much is from my tax money( ) and thus able to afford more servers. and the game is FREE!. so kids can just dl them without parent's permission.

also, AA just released some patch, so they must be having problems too. not to mention that they released new maps just a few days ago. so the numbers might dwindle down in a few weeks.

AA has been ok so far, but i thnk it's due to the fact that it's FREE. since it's free, there is no psychology to get the most out of it. if you payed 40 bucks for a game, you want something out of it, and that is instant fun/gratification. and one way to get that is through cheats. but AA is free, so there is not desire to get instant gratification. you didn't pay a shit, so you don't have this subconscious thought that drives you to have cheats.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i ahve games stacked with players ranked highest to lowest showing about 12 ppl playin ofpr in total, oo ofpr is doing well not.<span id='postcolor'>

and i'm guessing you took the picture now? NZ, it's 5pm, b4 prime time, and US, it's sleeping time. and EU, it's morning.

and most OFP players do have jobs.

[ralphwiggum 6]

and it's nearly 1:30am here in LA.

i'll continue discussion when i wake up.and when my boss is not looking. *sigh*

[HellToupee 0]

at its busyist time ive only ever seen 50ppl on and thats nothing, AA has lost all its kids the game dosnt appeal to them, there r more unoffical servers than ofps servers and its free, it has many bugs but no cheats and kids, ofp is alot hard for kids to get goin tho so think about it, and heres another pic of waiting with uneven teams. Even you could see the point here.

http://www.gpforums.co.nz/attachment.php?s=&postid=1386403

[DarkLight 0]

I know this isn't a good place to ask this, but do you guys think OFP has a good multiplayer?

If there aren't enough ppl playing why not post a message about the server that you're gonna start, post the time, and ask for everyone to come, it might help a bit...

[HellToupee 0]

all i can say if all u fear with jip is kids and cheats u shouldnt be playing online game, ild rather have 1000new ppl play which about only 1%would be kids and cheats than have less and less ppl play as it is now, orginal ofp is more popular online than resistance, the nz/aus community for rtcw is bigger than ofprs entire mp one. Most of the time i play ofp the games r shit cos the map dont have enough ppl the coop is too big and too many ppl leave in game.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

You know, frankly, I dont care if OFP is a blockbuster with thousands of people online at a time. All I care is that BIS made enough cheese to justify an OFP 2. I have my group of people I play with, and I dont give two licks if I didnt play with anyone else for the duration of OFP's online existence. CS kiddies, lamers, cheaters, hackers, glitchers, people who think BF1942 is realistic, Americas Army wannabe rangers, 1337 j@ck@$$3$, and anyone else I mightve missed- fuck em.

[Renagade 0]

There are stupid kids and lamers,in all their glory,their home is a place called GAYmspy

One thing that i`ve never got a straight answer on and this isn`t strictly limited to OFP but how exactly do high pingers lag a server

[HellToupee 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Aug. 28 2002,14:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You know, frankly, I dont care if OFP is a blockbuster with thousands of people online at a time. All I care is that BIS made enough cheese to justify an OFP 2. I have my group of people I play with, and I dont give two licks if I didnt play with anyone else for the duration of OFP's online existence. CS kiddies, lamers, cheaters, hackers, glitchers, people who think BF1942 is realistic, Americas Army wannabe rangers, 1337 j@ck@$$3$, and anyone else I mightve missed- fuck em.<span id='postcolor'>

what would ofp2 be? i wouldnt have super grahpics or anything because ofp right now has higher requirements than any other game beeing sold, and as the showed with resistance keeping ofp up with the times was a simple matter, why should they have to go build a new one when they can just add new things and features to this one like more gunner positions, swimming etc, i doubt it needs a new engine for that. And if it only sold 1 million warcraft 3 sold 1 million in like a week, join in progrees would make ofp more popular and more incentive for more addons and updates. You might say ild rather play with 10 mates than 30 strangers but from BIS's view its the other waya round they want to sell the game.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Dude, you dont get it. JIP is not the reason Warcraft, RTCW, MOHAA, and all the others have done so well. They do well because their netcode is well done, the formula is familiar and comfortable for gamers, and of course, they have been hyped waaaaaayyyyyy out of proportion. Rogue Spear didnt have JIP, neither does Ghost Recon, they do all right.