The jip argument revisted

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Aug. 28 2002,08:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Speaking of evil mods, where has Placebo been keeping himself recently?<span id='postcolor'>

plotting to take over the world?

[theavonlady 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Aug. 28 2002,09:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i stumbled upon a few snipers they met mr knife<span id='postcolor'>

I have been on both ends of the knife in such cases.

What I loved to do was listen to the approaching knifer's footsteps and when I knew he was about to kill, I'd drop a nade right on the floor and we'd both go to respawn heaven together. It so annoyed them.

See what JIP is good for?

[Tex -USMC- 0]

He can pry my spam from my cold dead hands

[theavonlady 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Aug. 28 2002,09:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Speaking of evil mods, where has Placebo been keeping himself recently?<span id='postcolor'>

and will Wobble ever return?

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Aug. 28 2002,08:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Aug. 28 2002,20:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">oh really? then i see that OFP is not as fun as other games.

mp code and netcode are same? do you know what a socket implementation means?<span id='postcolor'>

well waitin 30mins isnt fun and alot of the games ive had have been crap, the best games ive had r with around 20ppl but thats very rare and many i used to play with have gone. Your view on games is rather dim u think every one will cheat everyone will ruin your game, i think u should get out more met ppl there not all bad.<span id='postcolor'>

shows how much you are knowledgable about technical aspect. since you can't understand my question, let me give you the answer. current MP for OFP can't handle JIP. SUMA already said it long time ago and there is nothing that can be done, unless there is a MAJOR overhaul in MP code. and that is a painful, timestaking, brain teasing process.

i don't like to wait 30 minutes too, but that doesn't mean that i have to give up much to compensate for waiting.

i play alot on public servers and except for a few cases, they are all courteous and nice. however, it only takes one cheater/kiddie to piss off the rest of the players. and that's what i don't want to have in OFP. it doesn't take 10 paedophiles to send a shockwave in a community, just one will suffice. and that OFP equivalent(kiddies) has been deterred in OFP thanx to lack of JIP.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Aug. 28 2002,08:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">SUMA already said it long time ago and there is nothing that can be done, unless there is a MAJOR overhaul in MP code. and that is a painful, timestaking, brain teasing process.<span id='postcolor'>

No shit. I mean christ, look how much they messed up in the netcode just from switching to sockets. Now is NOT the time in OFP's lifespan for BIS to try and redo the netcode completely. I say just call it a wash and save the major changes for OFP2, and stick to refinements and polishing in the remaining patches of OFP's dev life. BTW, whats the ETA on the next patch, because it is desperately needed.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Aug. 28 2002,08:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BTW, whats the ETA on the next patch, because it is desperately needed.<span id='postcolor'>

SUMA is also not clear on this. they want to fix a lot of bugs before releasing it. so far AFAIK, version is 1.81

but once its released i'm hoping it doesn't produce more bugs....suma has been quiet for some time now...and if you start to see forum speed suddenly go down, it will be a good implication that a new patch is on the way soon.

but then again, they can do what they did with 1.60beta patch. distribute it to other places first.

[HellToupee 0]

whats is this ofp2, if its a whole new game built from scratch expect to wait like 4 years, also Ralph why would ofp have soo many kiddies a game like rtcw is more suited to them yet theres none that hve managed to destroy 1 game, JIP will mean for me

1) no stupid waits that waste my time

2) more people would be interested in ofp not only kiddies you need to get out more

3)i might actually play ofp mp more than 2-3 times a week.

im just not prepared to wait 30mins to play a ctf or c&h with -3-8 ppl thats just enough for a coop. OFP normal has 120 servers OFPR has 27 that shows alarming portion of ofp ppl wont even bother to get resistance.

Also you dont have much of a choice where you want to play, your've got about 3 servers that have more than 1 person on them and if after you wait 30min and the admin wants to do sumthing u dont your shit outa luck.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

OFP2 is not a set thing, it could be IL, or any other thing, so long as it is recognised by BIS to be OFP's successor- not a companion, not a compendium, not an expansion, but an heir.

[theavonlady 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Aug. 28 2002,09:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">OFP2 is not a set thing<span id='postcolor'>

In some parts of the tech world, we might call it a "concept".

[Tex -USMC- 0]

yes, a "concept". "concept" is a good "word" to "use" in this particular "situation", or as some would "say", at this "juncture".

[HellToupee 0]

ofp2 then will just be improved ofp 1 where at 1.81(assuming bis patch) what happens at 2.0, a new gold edition featuring everything?

[theavonlady 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Aug. 28 2002,10:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ofp2 then will just be improved ofp 1 where at 1.81(assuming bis patch) what happens at 2.0, a new gold edition featuring everything?<span id='postcolor'>

Well, we're all just postulating. Nothing has been announced, other than the little that's been mentioned about Independence Lost and a half dozen pics.

[ralphwiggum 6]

probably OFP2, should it start, will be based on OFP engine, but will go through so many changes.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">why would ofp have soo many kiddies a game like rtcw is more suited to them yet theres none that hve managed to destroy 1 game, JIP will mean for me

1) no stupid waits that waste my time

2) more people would be interested in ofp not only kiddies you need to get out more

3)i might actually play ofp mp more than 2-3 times a week<span id='postcolor'>

cause kiddies are also known for fast consumption rate. sooner or later, they want to masturbate with a game that they haven't had experience with, and OFP's unique environment will be an interesting point. maybe your server pool don't have much chance for kiddies, but in US, kiddies are still a problem.

for point #2, let me say it again. it takes only one asshole to ruin the game. i've been around long enough to see cheats. just because i don't use 'RalphWiggum' when i log in, doesn't mean that i don't play. i have other names to describe my day's emotions.

sorry to hear that you dont have many ppl in NZ and AU to play with. but let's hope that new OFPR which just srrived help you guys.

[theavonlady 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Aug. 28 2002,10:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">just because i don't use 'RalphWiggum' when i log in, doesn't mean that i don't play. i have other names to describe my day's emotions.<span id='postcolor'>

GlueMe, for instance?

[HellToupee 0]

its been going down hill since ofpr was announced, 1.60 gp server became a waste land, after it became updated that saturday after removing all the addons we had 25ppl most of the day on sunday was back to 3-8ppl it hardly breaks 10ppl during the week and we have even lost regualars to bf1942 and other games, theres like only 2 clans 2.

Looking at the servers now theres 1 server with ppl and thats gp its got 5ppl rest have 0, like that every night this is why ppl r leavin ofp because of the difficulty of gettin a good game going.

[theavonlady 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Aug. 28 2002,10:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">its been going down hill since ofpr was announced, 1.60 gp server became a waste land, after it became updated that saturday after removing all the addons we had 25ppl most of the day on sunday was back to 3-8ppl it hardly breaks 10ppl during the week and we have even lost regualars to bf1942 and other games, theres like only 2 clans 2.<span id='postcolor'>

Have you thought of moving?

[HellToupee 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Aug. 28 2002,21:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Aug. 28 2002,10:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">its been going down hill since ofpr was announced, 1.60 gp server became a waste land, after it became updated that saturday after removing all the addons we had 25ppl most of the day on sunday was back to 3-8ppl it hardly breaks 10ppl during the week and we have even lost regualars to bf1942 and other games, theres like only 2 clans 2.<span id='postcolor'>

Have you thought of moving? <span id='postcolor'>

yep i tried stoners for a while i had 300ping, it was ok but know it dont show up in in game browser, and all other servers r empty.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Aug. 28 2002,09:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">6--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Aug. 28 2002,106)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">just because i don't use 'RalphWiggum' when i log in, doesn't mean that i don't play. i have other names to describe my day's emotions.<span id='postcolor'>

GlueMe, for instance? <span id='postcolor'>

ah crap! now you know it...better be careful.....

HellToupee.

i'm sad to hear that MP is not going well for you. but a JIP implementation is not going to happen soon, and currently, there's patch in works...so let's hope CM doesn't push BIS again.

[HellToupee 0]

as i see it ofp mp is dying i used to have alot of good games but not lately, i see JIP as the cure, i could join any server confident for a game, dissconects will no longer have me attacking my screen, the way i see it were better off having only 1 server for ofpr so it concentrates the ppl if ofp mp is a winning forumla there would be more than 1 server in the southern hemisphere.

[ralphwiggum 6]

OFP is definitely a long living game considering gaming industry's pace. it's been a full year till OFPR release, and now almost 1yr and 3 months. that's like 65% of a PC's life span.

so it will undoubtly have ppl who are tired of playing on same islands.( )

however, considering what kind of players it had, i'd say it beats how 4yr old HL and its mods have done.

JIP might bring many ppl in a server, but lack of ppl can be contributed to many factors. thus JIP might have some effect, but i doubt it'll be significant in terms of reviving community without compromising maturity level.

thanx to HL and Quake engine, FPS market has been overrun by kiddies. and we have a long way to go until those kiddies go away.

[HellToupee 0]

as a correction at this time there are 193 ofp servers with 252 players and 23 ofpr servers with 6 players.

[HellToupee 0]

all i can say is the main deterrant to all mp players with ofp is lack of players, lack of servers, long waits.

[ralphwiggum 6]

and may be due to the fact that 'mature' player have less time to play?

i for one has not been able to play since Sunday. (yesterday, i was busy arguing with you on this thread )

i know some other members who are now back in school, and they seem to be also one of those ppl who actually study. so you'll see a lot of fallout right now.

there are at least 3 ppl on this forum who are over 30, and i'm near 25. denoir is 25 and that means we got better things to worry about. and i think avon is somewhere around 40, so we all have lives.

oh shit..i think avon is pissed off at me again.

/ralph runs for his life after making comments about Avon'a age.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

I dont really care. A patch or two more, and then we can let OFP die a slow graceful death that such great games deserve. As far as I can see, OFP itself, is still 100% BIS's code. Most other games only achieve year plus longevity by having total conversions, and mods that change the game radically. You say that Half Life is a popular game, but who plays HALF LIFE multiplayer anymore? Noone. And most people stopped playing it within 6 months of the games release.

HalfLifes multiplayer life has been completely reliant on mods that couldnt have been further from HalfLifes subject matter. And really, the only reason people are still modding it is because Valve opens up like a 2 dollar hooker for anyone who wants to make a mod, and because HalfLifes code is so damn easy to work with. Why do you think people can hack so easily in HalfLife based games? Because the engine is so accessible that anyone can get into it and fuck with it.

In contrast, OFP is still alive and well by any standards, over a year after its birth, and despite many problems. USMC is in Wargames, that has over about 12 squads and over 60 players, and so does the Combat Zone. Gayspy numbers dont tell the whole tale Hell.