How comes the hellfires can't target helos?

[seba1985 0]

It's only my case or the hellfires in the AH-64 can't target any aircraft? The same goes for the TOWs.

[bn880 5]

That's the way it is for all of us.

When hellfires see rotor blades they run away.

[Aaron Kane 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ July 15 2002,02:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That's the way it is for all of us.

When hellfires see rotor blades they run away.<span id='postcolor'>

Its true, I saw it on the Discovery Porn Channel.

[ran 0]

tows and hellfires are AT (AntiTank) weapons ment to be used agaist TANKS and other GROUND TARGETS (vehicles mainly)

tows and hellfires aren't ment to be AA (AntiAircraft) weapons , which mean that they can't be targeted AIRCRAFTS and HELICOPTERS

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Aaron Kane @ July 14 2002,21:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ July 15 2002,02:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That's the way it is for all of us.

When hellfires see rotor blades they run away.<span id='postcolor'>

Its true, I saw it on the Discovery Porn Channel.<span id='postcolor'>

LOL

That's the funniest thing I'v read today... by far.

[Aaron Kane 0]

Actually, when covered with bean dip, they are deadly anti-aircraft weapons.

They can be used against slow-moving aircraft IRL, but what the hey hey, give me a burrito! LOL! AFK! GTG! BRB! BYOB! Boobies!

[Benze 0]

Hellfires can target air vehicles but it is hard. TOWs can do it easily. They can terget anything. The are wire controlled.

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ July 14 2002,21:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">tows and hellfires are AT (AntiTank) weapons ment to be used agaist TANKS and other GROUND TARGETS (vehicles mainly)

tows and hellfires aren't ment to be AA (AntiAircraft) weapons , which mean that they can't be targeted AIRCRAFTS and HELICOPTERS<span id='postcolor'>

Well a hunting rifle is ment to be used against BEARS and other ANIMAL TARGETS but occasionally they can be used to target HUMANS... not that HUMANS arent ANIMALS themselves....

I'm messing around don't get too angry.

[ran 0]

lol was just trying to find an explication of how it works in ofp

benze , have you ever fired a wire-guided missile during your life ? it's damn hard to control one of these feckers

the main use of the tow and of the hellfire is to attack ground targets , apaches generally have stingers and chaingun to do the job of shooting down slow aircrafts

[seba1985 0]

Even when Hellfire is an anti-armour missile, I still remember targeting aircraft with it in Longbow II. My mind is playing me tricks or Longbow was wrong in such a simple thing?

I'm sure they're anti-aircraft weapon in Comanche but... you know Comanche...

[timmy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ July 14 2002,08:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">benze , have you ever fired a wire-guided missile during your life ?<span id='postcolor'>

have you?

[dayglow 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (seba1985 @ July 14 2002,21:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Even when Hellfire is an anti-armour missile, I still remember targeting aircraft with it in Longbow II. My mind is playing me tricks or Longbow was wrong in such a simple thing?

I'm sure they're anti-aircraft weapon in Comanche but... you know Comanche... <span id='postcolor'>

No, you are not wrong, the Hellfire can target aircraft. Either the laser paints the target for the missile or the radar locksit up. The only thing is that it is designed to attack ground targets so it wasn't designed to be manouverable. Also the Hellfire attack profile is a pop-up and then would follow a pure pursute path towards it target. A fast moving aircraft would cause it to constantly correct it flightpath, thus losing it's energy, etc. Hell a LGB can knock a chopper out of the air if it sitting still

COLINMAN

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (timmy @ July 15 2002,06:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ July 14 2002,08:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">benze , have you ever fired a wire-guided missile during your life ?<span id='postcolor'>

have you? <span id='postcolor'>

yeah , but a french milan , and i think it doesn't work much differently than a tow

[dayglow 2]

With a wire guided don't you put the site on the target and the computer tells the missile where to fly? Or are the sites really unstable and hard to keep the target?

COLINMAN

[Benze 0]

Well, I shouldn't have said it was EASY to control it, but if you can hit a fast moving tank, you should be able to keep your sites on a slow moving chopper.

[Eviscerator 0]

you can make missiles target both ground and air but the ai wont use them, i put them on the hokum im making with the new .cpp code (at-16 can target helos) and the ai wouldnt use them, they switched to the ffar's when attacking tanks, so it looks like it can only have one dedicated target

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Benze @ July 15 2002,19:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, I shouldn't have said it was EASY to control it, but if you can hit a fast moving tank, you should be able to keep your sites on a slow moving chopper.  <span id='postcolor'>

an helicopter is differently shaped than a tank , for a tank , you only have to aim the middle  , or the front in you want to be sure of your shpt , but the helo has more complex forms

and talking about ground to ground wire-guided missile : it's way more hard to use them agaisnt low flying aircrafts or helicopters since most of them only work in two axis (deepness and sides , but not altitude)

[Kermit 0]

Are TOWs optical or not? I always thought they were optical.

[ran 0]

not every versions

[seba1985 0]

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/tow.htm

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/agm-114.htm

The funny thing is, that you cannot use it in OPF to target helos. Edit a mission, put one hind unarmed and sit yourself in a AH-64. Then try to designate the hind as target with TAB or mouse clicking and nothing, there seems to be no way of even try to shutdown aircraft with hellfires. In fact, the only way it can designate the chopper in front of you as a target is with the 20mm cannon. As you mentioned above, you end up shutting it down with rockets.

Would you all confirm this as such, or is it just my experience with OPF?

[Eviscerator 0]

it wont target because it doesnt have this:

airLock=true;

in its config, this makes you able to target them but as i said makes ai use ffar's as the primary air to ground missile

[NavyEEL 0]

what's the point of attacking an aircraft with a hellfire? that's like destroying a single story house with a nuke. it's just overpowering. you don't need that kind of armor penetration to take out an aircraft. and besides that, the hellfire is made to destroy ground targets, not aircraft. it's not maneuverable like an AA missile. some of u say "hows it hit a fast moving tank?" computer calculations. the tank is moving at speed 'x' so the missile aims distance 'y' ahead of the tank in order to hit it dead on. hellfire can destroy any tank in a single blow (in real life) so why waste it on a weak helicopter? just pop it a few times with the chain gun and it's toast.

[dayglow 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NavyEEL @ July 15 2002,22:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">what's the point of attacking an aircraft with a hellfire?  that's like destroying a single story house with a nuke.  it's just overpowering.  you don't need that kind of armor penetration to take out an aircraft.  and besides that, the hellfire is made to destroy ground targets, not aircraft.  it's not maneuverable like an AA missile.  some of u say "hows it hit a fast moving tank?"  computer calculations.  the tank is moving at speed 'x' so the missile aims distance 'y' ahead of the tank in order to hit it dead on.  hellfire can destroy any tank in a single blow (in real life) so why waste it on a weak helicopter?  just pop it a few times with the chain gun and it's toast.<span id='postcolor'>

Because in RL your Helicopter and you are worth more than a Hellfire The hellfire will be used on air targets if it is low and slow b/c it has a greater range than the stinger. The stinger is great for a close dogfight between helicopters b/c it can lockon in an instant without the pilot's input.

Also look at how US attack docturn works. The Hellfire was used in Panama and Somalia to attack houses where leaders were thought to be. They fired the things through a window which isn't a armour target at all. Notice how they didn't use FFARs.

COLINMAN