Is independance lost really lost? or just hiding

[Speeeedy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mora2 @ Aug. 11 2002,16:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Codemasters is a shit promoting,even their star product (Colin MCrae 3) is badly advertised.

Releasing patches and supporting the game is due to Bis not Codemasters.

I repeat:

BIS=professionality and quality in their work (computing,developing,technical support)

Codemasters=Shit(advertising and promoting).<span id='postcolor'>

This isnt true what so ever....first of all i dont know about your country but in the netherlands there quite a lot of advertisments from flashpoint.

Second if Codemaster decides to stop supporting and fund flashpoint dont expect there to be anymore patches...

[VXR 9]

Dont think they are gone post here that they are working on Independence lost because its all secret they dont want topic such as give us it now and so on

i asked a guy from bis : is bis gone work on independence lost

his anwer secret...i only heard from a other bis guy once that they work on a project that can take as long as the release of ofp to resistance

[moerty 0]

i found out about OFP when i was heavily hooked on CS, someone had a link to it in their signature in the forums. read some reviews and then went and bought it, pretty ironic.

so according to this thread there has been some heavy promotion in europe but according to personal experience none in North America. (when i say none i mean no advertising of any relevance that has reached the average consumer I.E. me.)

i find it pathetic that a company would display such a lack professionalism as to not heavily target and saturate the most lucrative market in the world. BIS should sue them for breach of contract, god knows i would, i find it even negligent that the promoter would so blatantly ignore the biggest cashcow in the history of our time.

P.S. let's not forget about VBS1 though, THAT is a HUGE cashcow and a company that gets a government military contract is set for a long time. so in essence we could be viewed as being second class customers, since our purchasing power cannot even begin to compare to the US DOD.

[VXR 9]

if the OFP community dies they can go on with military simulators or with a other game but i think mil simu is the best thing to head to if i was BIS

[ralphwiggum 6]

let me clarify one thing

VBS was available after OFP. basically, we got it first and then VBS was made. although BIS makes money out of VBS, I don't know how much it is. they are going through a company called 'Coalescent'(?) that is contracted with USMC to provide VBS. so BIS might not get that much money.

also, it's BIS that is giving out support, not CM. CMs job is to make sure distribution is done.(IMO not good at it). when you download a patch, it's from BIS, not CM.

and in NA, I seldom saw advertisement for OFP.....except once in awhile in gaming magazines...

[ralphwiggum 6]

let me add one more thing.

it seems like we are getting some weapons from VBS also. when we had our upgrade 1.3, it came with XMS, Laser Designator, Steyr Aug, and G36. theses are more suitable for these days. and VBS is known to have them.

also, a few months ago, VBS had pictures of wall with open in the center. now with OFPR we have that too(for example, walls at the western part of Velka Ves, Nogovo). and furthermore, ofp.gamezone.cz noted that in Czech version of OFP, they have some VBS objects like VBS church and VBS building.

so in essence, I think BIS is trying to let general OFP users like us not left behind much in comparison to VBS.

[RedStorm 0]

I like BIS...BIS rules!

[Othin 0]

It is interesting to see how much mis-information exists about Independence Lost.  If you do a search on Google you'll find that some sources report that IL is a private project of a (former?) BIS employee.  Tiscali Games article  Other sources have interviewed Marek Spanel who refutes this claim, but refuses to admit whether it is an expansion or a stand-alone product. BonusWeb.cz interview

Other sites have even less to report then we know ourselves IGN, Gamefaqs  Luckily for the community we have Theavonladies What is Indepence Lost faq

Unfortunetly for BIS, this isn't a good type of "buzz".  Now is the time when Codemasters should be dropping little "exclusives" to various gaming mags and websites.  I'm not sure about the politics involved, but maybe CM dosen't allow BIS to do their own exclusives?  I would also agree with an earlier poster who said that CM really dropped the ball on advertising here in the U.S.  If I was BIS I would be extremely disapointed that one of the greatest games of all time would get less advertising then some halfassed game like Virtual resort spring break...

[taimaishu1103 0]

imho, i think that widespread marketing is RELATIVELY pointledd in my honest opinion. Nw, you gtta understand that i am in no way an advoceate of widespread consumer marketing.

for example, why does a bottle of cologne sell for 50 bucks when it takes 50 cents to make? because they pay several thousand dollars PER commercial to have it advertised during some crap show like "sewing with martha stuart". im more easily swayed to buy something if its inexpensive, verusus having to pay 3 times as much and seeing it on tv a few times.

ofp is a VERY well known game, and any person who is into games enuff to dish out 50 bucks for one, is most definitely gonna know about operation flashpoint. so why the need for marketing for ofp??? does the american public have to see ads for ofp during the superbowl in order to buy ofp?!?!!?

if that is true, be prepared to spend twice as much to buy a game.

[killagee 0]

After my week in E.Timor, I am totally hanging out for Independance Lost!! I hope they have many nations models in it, ie New Zealand, Fiji, Chile, there are dozens of countries doing there bit there, though I must say, the Locals love the Kiwis the best... I cant wait a year or two!!

[HellToupee 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (killagee @ Aug. 25 2002,18:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">After my week in E.Timor, I am totally hanging out for Independance Lost!! I hope they have many nations models in it, ie New Zealand, Fiji, Chile, there are dozens of countries doing there bit there, though I must say, the Locals love the Kiwis the best... I cant wait a year or two!!<span id='postcolor'>

every body luvs the kiwis

[Gaswell 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Aug. 10 2002,06:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Who is a good publisher? If anybody say CM....they should be banned. :D<span id='postcolor'>

I happen to think CM is a good publisher. I'm sick and tired of having to wait for months after a "world-wide" US release before the first copies appears where I'm at. With the OFP release it was actually the other way 'round. Feel the pain, US citizens.

And making Red Hammer available as a downloadable purchase was brilliant, no matter what you may think of the add-on itself. No distribution delay while the publisher concentrates on the US market.

Personally I don't need snazzy PR to encourage me to buy games. If I did, I would've bought every Blizzard game released and The Sims to boot. (Shudder!) For me, it's how the publisher acts in regards to support and community building that counts. You wanna talk bad publishers? How 'bout EA and their clueless handling of the Black & White patch/goodies? I'm not saying that CM have done everything right in the past, but they sure could have done a lot worse. IMHO it'd be better to save those harsh words for a more deserving publisher.

[Antichrist 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Aug. 26 2002,05:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">3--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (killagee @ Aug. 25 2002,183)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">After my week in E.Timor, I am totally hanging out for Independance Lost!! I hope they have many nations models in it, ie New Zealand, Fiji, Chile, there are dozens of countries doing there bit there, though I must say, the Locals love the Kiwis the best... I cant wait a year or two!!<span id='postcolor'>

every body luvs the kiwis<span id='postcolor'>

Kiwis rule!!! Not like I am biased or anything

[Cloney 0]

BTW didn't BIS say that they would release some of the VBS units that didn't have "classified" information or something?

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Cloney @ Aug. 27 2002,22:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BTW didn't BIS say that they would release some of the VBS units that didn't have "classified" information or something?<span id='postcolor'>

maybe...but i doubt its going to happen all at once. probably a little by little.

[VXR 9]

i think the some units of VBS1 mostly Marines units armor air etc will be in IL

[TYsiEK 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Vixer @ Aug. 27 2002,22:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i think the some units of VBS1 mostly Marines units armor air etc will be in IL<span id='postcolor'>

Yes of course. In the IL site is no updates beacuse everythink (screens of the best Marines Units) is in the VBS1 site.