Ghost recon realism nit-pick

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (residuum @ June 22 2002,20:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Unless you live in (example) Northern Alabama where if someone steps on your property, you can go ahead and shoot him.<span id='postcolor'>

It appears that the information you were given is not correct -- you cannot shoot someone for simply setting foot on your property. See a cite of the Alabama Statutes below.

Alabama Statutes

Section 13A-3-23 - Use of force in defense of a person.

(a) A person is justified in using physical force upon another person in order to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by that other person, and he may use a degree of force which he reasonably believes to be necessary for the purpose. A person may use deadly physical force if the actor reasonably believes that such other person is:

(1) Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force; or

(2) Using or about to use physical force against an occupant of a dwelling while committing or attempting to commit a burglary of such dwelling; or

(3) Committing or about to commit a kidnapping in any degree, assault in the first or second degree, burglary in any degree, robbery in any degree, forcible rape or forcible sodomy.

(b) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a), a person is not justified in using deadly physical force upon another person if it reasonably appears or he knows that he can avoid the necessity of using such force with complete safety:

(1) By retreating, except that the actor is not required to retreat:

a. If he is in his dwelling or at his place of work and was not the original aggressor; or

b. If he is a peace officer or a private person lawfully assisting a peace officer at his direction.

(2), (3) Repealed by Acts 1979, No. 79-599, p. 1060, §1.

© Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a), a person is not justified in using physical force if:

(1) With intent to cause physical injury or death to another person, he provoked the use of unlawful physical force by such other person; or

(2) He was the initial aggressor, except that his use of physical force upon another person under the circumstances is justifiable if he withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates to the other person his intent to do so, but the latter nevertheless continues or threatens the use of unlawful physical force; or

(3) The physical force involved was the product of a combat by agreement not specifically authorized by law.

[timmy 0]

alabamas laws are so f cked up.

ex: until a few years ago, there was a law in the state constitution, that said it was illegal for a white person to marry a black person. It wasnt enforced of course, but it was still in the constitution. There was a vote to keep the law or do away with it. 60% of the state voted for it to be taken out. 40% voted to keep the law.

That shows how racist many southerners still are. Its common to see someone wearing a confederate shirt at my school. Even the assistant principal at my school has a confederate flag the back window of his "truck"

I cant wait until i go to college so i can get away from the south.

[Aculaud 0]

its pretty bad. i wish we could all just be people

[dayglow 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (timmy @ June 22 2002,17:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">my house is pretty safe too. If a robber ever came in my house id shoot out both of his knees, then id make him call the police on him self.

But i scare myself sometimes. <span id='postcolor'>

I don't know if it would be possible in a stressful situation. Look at police officers. They shoot to kill and one reason is that in a high stess situation such as a gun fight aimed shots at anything but center mass is very hard to pull off. I've seen a few videos from inside the police car where they shoot it out with people and even though 20 rounds are fired no one is hit. Bad aim? Not really, aimed shots are really hard in that situation. If the robber was armed and you tried this, you'd probably end up dead.

My modo in life if I'm ever in a life threating situation: better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6

COLINMAN

[pathfinder 0]

Denior---You Americans scare me

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Naw, the people you got to worry about are the ones who think you don't need a gun.  As they want more of a police state instead of people defending themselves.    

We need you over here denoir ,so you can teach me which button is the safety  

[WKK Gimbal 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ June 23 2002,07:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It appears that the information you were given is not correct -- you cannot shoot someone for simply setting foot on your property. See a cite of the Alabama Statutes below.

Alabama Statutes

Section 13A-3-23 - Use of force in defense of a person.

(a) A person is justified in using physical force upon another person in order to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by that other person, and he may use a degree of force which he reasonably believes to be necessary for the purpose. A person may use deadly physical force if the actor reasonably believes that such other person is:

(1) Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force; or

(2) Using or about to use physical force against an occupant of a dwelling while committing or attempting to commit a burglary of such dwelling; or

(3) Committing or about to commit a kidnapping in any degree, assault in the first or second degree, burglary in any degree, robbery in any degree, forcible rape or forcible sodomy.

(b) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a), a person is not justified in using deadly physical force upon another person if it reasonably appears or he knows that he can avoid the necessity of using such force with complete safety:

(1) By retreating, except that the actor is not required to retreat:

a. If he is in his dwelling or at his place of work and was not the original aggressor; or

b. If he is a peace officer or a private person lawfully assisting a peace officer at his direction.

(2), (3) Repealed by Acts 1979, No. 79-599, p. 1060, §1.

© Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a), a person is not justified in using physical force if:

(1) With intent to cause physical injury or death to another person, he provoked the use of unlawful physical force by such other person; or

(2) He was the initial aggressor, except that his use of physical force upon another person under the circumstances is justifiable if he withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates to the other person his intent to do so, but the latter nevertheless continues or threatens the use of unlawful physical force; or

(3) The physical force involved was the product of a combat by agreement not specifically authorized by law.

<span id='postcolor'>

It appears that this law can be fit onto any situation imaginable, maybe with a little help from postmortal staging...

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (pathfinder @ June 23 2002,12:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

/me runs away

[Assault (CAN) 1]

Why do people feel inclined to take pictures of their weapons with OFP boxes?

As God as my witness, I will never use hot-glue or duct tape to do a repair or mod on my rifle. Mr. Frag, how can you do that and still be able to sleep at night!.

P.S.

Is that one of those crappy plastic mags you have there?

@ Pathfinder, that's a nice collection you have there, I'm envious, most of that stuff is anything but legal in Canada, I could never own one of those without making some mods to it first.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Naw, the people you got to worry about are the ones who think you don't need a gun. As they want more of a police state instead of people defending themselves. <span id='postcolor'>

Exactly.

Tyler

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ June 23 2002,11:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why do people feel inclined to take pictures of their weapons with OFP boxes?  

As God as my witness, I will never use hot-glue or duct tape to do a repair or mod on my rifle. Mr. Frag, how can you do that and still be able to sleep at night!.    

P.S.

Is that one of those crappy plastic mags you have there?  

@ Pathfinder, that's a nice collection you have there, I'm envious, most of that stuff is anything but legal in Canada, I could never own one of those without making some mods to it first.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Naw, the people you got to worry about are the ones who think you don't need a gun.  As they want more of a police state instead of people defending themselves.   <span id='postcolor'>

Exactly.

Tyler<span id='postcolor'>

I took the original picture to show what the Reflex looks like when properly mounted. I put the OFP box in the picture to show that I didn't just go hunting for a picture of the Reflex on the web.

The duct tape doesn't affect the functioning of the weapon or the laser aiming module, it would work just as well without it. But as I said, I'm going to move the wire inside the handguard, at which point the duct tape will no longer be needed.

And yes, that's one of those crappy plastic magazines. It's a Thermold 30-rounder, and I'm rather fond of them. Unlike standard aluminum magazines, they do not dent or corrode, and they are self-lubricating. Besides a bunch of Thermolds, I do have plenty of G.I. Teflon-coated aluminum magazines and a not-so-crappy US$ 600 Beta-C magazine as well.

[timmy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ June 23 2002,04:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I took the original picture to show what the Reflex looks like when properly mounted. I put the OFP box in the picture to show that I didn't just go hunting for a picture of the Reflex on the web.<span id='postcolor'>

you couldve just gone searching on the net for a picture of a reflex site on a gun with an ofp case next to it.

[Mister Frag 0]

Darn, my plan has been foiled again!

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The duct tape doesn't affect the functioning of the weapon or the laser aiming module, it would work just as well without it.<span id='postcolor'>

I know, I just can't imagine putting tape on any rifle of mine. Eww.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And yes, that's one of those crappy plastic magazines. It's a Thermold 30-rounder, and I'm rather fond of them. Unlike standard aluminum magazines, they do not dent or corrode, and they are self-lubricating. Besides a bunch of Thermolds, I do have plenty of G.I. Teflonâ„¢-coated aluminum magazines and a not-so-crappy US$ 600 Beta-C magazine as well.

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Wow!, a C-mag, I can only dream. Other than fun, I don't see much of a use for it, it must be awfuly heavy with 100 rounds in it. But if it was legal here, and I had the money, I would still get one.

As for the plastic mags, I haven't heard a single good thing about them. They might be good for range use, but apparently they aren't too good for repeated field use, the feed lips tend to snap off after a little while. The only advantage to this is that it is useable in a C9 (M-249), when the lips break off it will still feed, then you can just toss the mag away. We avoid corrosion in our aluminium mags because we take the time to lube them, even the dented ones still work fine. I know what you mean though, dents don't look pretty, but neither does duct tape.

My unit has aluminium mags that it bought a few years before I got in. The initial C7's were issued with those mags back when Canada switched from the FN FAL, since then we have gone to the aluminium ones.

Tyler

[red oct 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ June 23 2002,13:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">5--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (pathfinder @ June 23 2002,125)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

    /me runs away <span id='postcolor'>

you shouldnt be scared of that, 1 out of every 20 americans probaly have a arsonal 3 x bigger than that, and they really are crazy. i have a friend w/ a huge collection of guns, his family owns a camp ground, and one day he and his brothers in a pick up pull up to a camper and unload 12 gauge shotguns into a buch a geese. they manage to blow one of their heads' off (and this is right infront of the guests) w/ the head gone the gooses' body is under a reflex and its flappin around w/ blood gushing out all over the place. they have another one of my friends who isnt at all taking a liking to this and make him step on this dead but still moving bird to pin it in the bed of the truck because it flew out. now those are the people you need to be affraid of.

[InRange 1]

Wow, you could play OFP in your own house with an arsenal like that.

And is that a silencer I see on the top left gun? (XM177E2?)

Aren't silencers illegal?

[pathfinder 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (InRange @ June 24 2002,11:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Wow, you could play OFP in your own house with an arsenal like that.

And is that a silencer I see on the top left gun? (XM177E2?)

Aren't silencers illegal?<span id='postcolor'>

No it's not a silencer, it's just a welded barrel extension / flash hider. Use to be a CAR-15 upper but had to extend it to 16 inches to be legal .

You guys don't have to worry about me being crazy .....Wellll..... maybe a little, but most of that comes from living in this crazy world

As for hurting animals , I believe if you aren't going to eat them don't kill them. And I hate people who torture them. I hunt deer and thats about it. And yes I sometimes do use an AK but with all the evil features removed during deerseason.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

This thread was originally about Ghost Recon. Now you people are showing off your guns. I can't see much reason to keep it open. Can you?

[R. Gerschwarzenge 0]

No.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

Fellow moderator agreed, closing