U.s. makes plans for invading the netherlands

[Texican 0]

Ok so the US is all of a sudden going to attack the Netherlands because we dont care what anypne else in the world thinks and yet that would never happen because Nato wouldnt allow it. Ok so which is it, people? Either the US cares or it doesnt. Anyway, I cant believe three pages were dedicated to unsubstantiated news. Does anyone really believe this, oh and can the communists please not answer, we already know what you think.

[WKK Gimbal 0]

It's all a load of bollox

[RedRogue 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WKK Gimbal @ June 11 2002,21:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's all a load of bollox<span id='postcolor'>

The most sensible statement yet on the subject.

Don't let Redstar bother you Ralph, he's just wallowing in his own self-glorification.

[RedRogue 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RedStar @ June 11 2002,20:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ June 11 2002,20:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I laughed at RedStar's list. So US shouldn't intervene? hell, fuck no! if US didn't take action against Butcher of Balkans could have finished their genocide happily.

oh wait..let me guess..Kuwait ppl were happy that Iraqi soldiers were fucking their sisters and executing ppl<span id='postcolor'>

genocide, torture, execution, rape.

They learned those from the best.

Thats exactly what the US troops did in WW2, Korea and Vietnam.

P.s. dont give me the usual freedom and democracy sh1t the US didnt care what was happening to the people in Kuwait they just cared about the price of oil.<span id='postcolor'>

So its was only the American troops that did the "dirty" deeds in WW2.

Aparently your history education has a huge gapping hole in what the Russians did to the German people during their offensive and especially after the capture of Berlin. Or what the Japanese did to the Chinese populations on still unatolled levels. Oh and let us not forget what the Germans did to the French, Belgium, Poland, and Netherland populations.

If you want to keep on going with this every surviving American, British, German, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Italian airman that dropped a bomb deliberately on a civilian center is a war criminal. So please spare us your propaganda BS.

[Postduifje 0]

Offcourse I know USA is never going to invade the Netherlands, but it's respectless to pass a law which allows it, under what conditions, or whatever the weight of the law is.

[AntiPasta 0]

...and if they would, nobody would lift a darn finger against them (not even the Dutch 'army' itself, imho), so only passing this bill would be sufficient to tell the world the US doesn't isn't bragging on this issue, which is the whole point i suppose...

And even if it would take place, I think it will be like commando raids, they seriously wouldn't do a full-scale invasion without British support and moreover it would yield nothing

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Postduifje @ June 11 2002,21:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Offcourse I know USA is never going to invade the Netherlands, but it's respectless to pass a law which allows it, under what conditions, or whatever the weight of the law is.<span id='postcolor'>

So if you know we won't invade whats the big deal. This is in the same vane as the list of countries that possible nuclear war would be waged against.....a list that has been kept and updated since 1945. People rose a big stink against that too....

[Longinius 1]

"yeah well, then what the heck US is supposed to do? let one group kill another while US does nothing? Again, this is what US calls 'damned if you do, damned if you don't'. EU had no action whatsoever on Serbia and all those fucking humanitarian groups cried for international intervention. And when that failed and US got involved, those fuckers cried that US is doing genocide"

The complaint isnt that America does something, the complaint is that America only does something out of self gain. The US has never gotten envolved in a conflict just to help people. Never ever. The second gripe is the way the US choses to solve the problem. Go in with bombers, blow up roads, bridges, railways, powerplants, warehouse districts and so on. Where does that leave the civilians when the US walks away? Crawling in the dust most likely...

[Postduifje 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ June 11 2002,21:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This is in the same vane as the list of countries that possible nuclear war would be waged against.....a list that has been kept and updated since 1945. People rose a big stink against that too....<span id='postcolor'>

No, this is not the same, what are you thinking?

They didn't pass this law because the Netherlands has done something wrong, or are forming somekind of thread towards them. They do it because they want to block the ICC, they're affraid Americans will be brought to trial there, and are undermining it in any way possible.

They say like: "If you bring Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Houssein or any Yougaslavian war criminal to the international court, it's fine! But whenever it's an American, we have the right to invade you"

[Longinius 1]

"So if you know we won't invade whats the big deal. This is in the same vane as the list of countries that possible nuclear war would be waged against.....a list that has been kept and updated since 1945. People rose a big stink against that too...."

You dont see a difference in attacking a nation that poses a nuclear threat to the US and attacking a nation in the UN whose only "crime" is to harbor a court passing judgement on potential warcriminals?

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ June 11 2002,22:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"So if you know we won't invade whats the big deal. This is in the same vane as the list of countries that possible nuclear war would be waged against.....a list that has been kept and updated since 1945. People rose a big stink against that too...."

You dont see a difference in attacking a nation that poses a nuclear threat to the US and attacking a nation in the UN whose only "crime" is to harbor a court passing judgement on potential warcriminals?<span id='postcolor'>

I see no problem because everyone SANE knows that that will NEVER happen. They are both based on HYPOTHETICAL situations that will most likely NEVER arise.

The Nuclear list had allies on it as well....why it raised such a stink if you remember the big post/flame war we all had on it.

We would never attack the Netherlands, whether it be full assault or commando raids. Anyone who thinks this is a possiblity is delusional.

[Akira 0]

Can someone post links on this alleged "bill" so I can look at it. The ones on the first page I got "page can't be found".

[Kep Kelagin 1]

I dont think its wheter the USA will invade the NEtherlands or not, but i think this law is more symbolic meant...anyways, the idea is still sick though..Why having a tribunal wich sets trail for all war crimals, excpet the ones from the USA ? a bit hypocrite, i think...But, they will never invade us ...If u guys do, let me know, becasue it would be awesome to see special forces invading Den Haag, lol

[Longinius 1]

"I see no problem because everyone SANE knows that that will NEVER happen. They are both based on HYPOTHETICAL situations that will most likely NEVER arise."

Yeah, cause we all know how Americans and people like yourself Akira would accept it if the EU made a similar law stating that the US could capture any criminal they wanted but if it was a European citizen it would mean war. Yeah, that would not raise your blood at all, because, well, it would never happen. Its just a "food for thought" law. Laws are not meant to be used anyway, heck no.

Besides, it doesnt at all make America look like a big old hypocrit. "Yes, capture and sentence all war criminals....except Americans".

[Texican 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ June 11 2002,22:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The complaint isnt that America does something, the complaint is that America only does something out of self gain. The US has never gotten envolved in a conflict just to help people. Never ever. The second gripe is the way the US choses to solve the problem. Go in with bombers, blow up roads, bridges, railways, powerplants, warehouse districts and so on. Where does that leave the civilians when the US walks away? Crawling in the dust most likely...<span id='postcolor'>

The US does something out of self gain. So tell me why that is so bad since EVERY country does everything out of self gain. I dont know if you've ever heard this but governments are responsible for the welfare of their own people. It doesnt make any country evil to want to take care of its people and considering all the aid the US gives to other countries who spit in our face Id say we are a pretty good country. We deal with crap all the time from countries who dont have the armies, the economies, or the spines to say things directly to our face but who sure like to talk alot behind our backs to other countries and not act. I dont know any country that gets involved in anything that didn't affect them. Im sorry you dont like our "methods" of helping but we try our best.

Strange, hardly ever hear about the netherlands in world news but always the US in them. Dont criticize our helping until you have every country in the world knocking at YOUR door asking you to do stuff and trying to balance all that.

Ohg and by the way, looked up this bill that passed and I couldnt find it anywhere nor did your link work. Put a working link up please.

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ June 11 2002,22:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"I see no problem because everyone SANE knows that that will NEVER happen. They are both based on HYPOTHETICAL situations that will most likely NEVER arise."

Yeah, cause we all know how Americans and people like yourself Akira would accept it if the EU made a similar law stating that the US could capture any criminal they wanted but if it was a European citizen it would mean war. Yeah, that would not raise your blood at all, because, well, it would never happen. Its just a "food for thought" law. Laws are not meant to be used anyway, heck no.

Besides, it doesnt at all make America look like a big old hypocrit. "Yes, capture and sentence all war criminals....except Americans".<span id='postcolor'>

What do you mean "people like me"? You mean people that don't jump on ever little anti-US (or pro-US) post? People that doubt the authenticity of this "bill" in the first place since I haven't seen ANY links about it yet? He said he can't find any "english speaking" stories....what about the notoriously anti-US BBC? Or the other hundreds of government questioning web sites? Or people like me that think if their are "war crimes" then guilty should be tried regardless of nationality?

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ June 11 2002,22:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The complaint isnt that America does something, the complaint is that America only does something out of self gain. The US has never gotten envolved in a conflict just to help people. Never ever. The second gripe is the way the US choses to solve the problem. Go in with bombers, blow up roads, bridges, railways, powerplants, warehouse districts and so on. Where does that leave the civilians when the US walks away? Crawling in the dust most likely...<span id='postcolor'>

so?

when us went to Somalia, guess what happened?

There are more things that US has done without resorting to military action, but those anti-war ppl seem to focus on certain actions, rather than US solving things diplomatically.

for example current India - Pakistan situation. did US attack them both? no.

Even Us does not go in with M16 in every solution. M16 is the last solution even for US. Those ppl who were commiting atrocities b4 US usually had their chances, and yet they let it go. so US can only use last resort.

[Akira 0]

And naturally we hear nothing about the peace or cooling of tensions that we helped broker....

[PitViper 0]

This is stating the consequences if an ICC goon grabs one of our soldiers without our permission ( we have our own military justice system).  We are no longer involved with the ICC and the ICC should not be poking its nose into our affairs.  If it does, its now understands the consequences.

[ralphwiggum 6]

this brings out an ironic point.

if US wants no part of ICC then it should stop sticking its nose into world affair. but as soons as US declares to do that, EU criticize Us for being isolationist.

[Supah 0]

I am dutch and im not the slightest bit worried ....... any gi who lands on your beaches we will just give loads of our fine produce (yes the green leafy substance). No fight in em left then

[RedRogue 0]

Ah but only if we could Ralph. It would be intresting to see the world have to deal with its problems all by itself for a change. Plus think of all the civilian improvements and programs could be made by saving all that economic and mlitary aid money to the world.

But of course doing so would really put several countries in a horrific bind because their entire economy is from U.S. aid. Bu t that really isn't an American problem now is it, so it shouldn' t concern us then should it. What we could do with the 20 billion in foreign aid given each year.

[Texican 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RedRogue @ June 11 2002,23:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ah but only if we could Ralph. It would be intresting to see the world have to deal with its problems all by itself for a change.<span id='postcolor'>

Ahhh yes, I agree redrogue. We have seen the world try to deal with its problems in its own way, we like to call it WW1 and WW2. And we know how that ended and who had to come in and help. USA

[Indychuck 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (supah @ June 11 2002,23:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am dutch and im not the slightest bit worried ....... any gi who lands on your beaches we will just give loads of our fine produce (yes the green leafy substance). No fight in em left then <span id='postcolor'>

Hehe Only fight you'll see then is over the last chocolate bar

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Indychuck @ June 11 2002,23:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (supah @ June 11 2002,23:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am dutch and im not the slightest bit worried ....... any gi who lands on your beaches we will just give loads of our fine produce (yes the green leafy substance). No fight in em left then <span id='postcolor'>

Hehe Only fight you'll see then is over the last chocolate bar<span id='postcolor'>

yup...those beautiful green leaves will make those US military guys really happy