U.s. makes plans for invading the netherlands

[RedStar 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Satchel @ June 12 2002,21:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The "Netherland Invasion" headline is just some byproduct of the U.S. steadily breaking away from international law and basic principles of a constitutional state totally disrespecting human rights, to do whatever action, wherever against whomever, no matter if it´s justified or covered by law, or not.

Just as they are still playing the "war on terror" wildcard, what basically enables them to go on a lunatic rampage against whoever interferes with U.S. interests, with whatever force they have in mind.<span id='postcolor'>

I see what you mean.

Bin Ladens men in Kashmere

Suprise suprise

Is it because India is picking on Pakistan, america's friend.

Bush " Send in the Troops, India will never dare start a war with Pakistan with us there"

[Akira 0]

Odd....says RedStar posted but nothing is here.....strange...very very strange....

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ June 12 2002,21:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ June 12 2002,21:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Satchel @ June 12 2002,21:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The "Netherland Invasion" headline is just some byproduct of the U.S. steadily breaking away from international law and basic principles of a constitutional state totally disrespecting human rights, to do whatever action, wherever against whomever, no matter if it´s justified or covered by law, or not.

Just as they are still playing the "war on terror" wildcard, what basically enables them to go on a lunatic rampage against whoever interferes with U.S. interests, with whatever force they have in mind.<span id='postcolor'>

well, it's not Germany that is getting hijacked planes flying into buildings and have bombs in shoes and worry about 'dirty' bomb. <span id='postcolor'>

Nope....just most of the planes and the terrorists (for some reason) seem to come mainly from Germany.<span id='postcolor'>

actually, they go through Germany, not come from...Germany seems to be one of those countries that are open for anyone willing to come in. it's not that there borders/immigration policies are lax, just that they want cultural diversity. of course, terrorists are exploting it.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RedStar @ June 12 2002,21:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Satchel @ June 12 2002,21:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The "Netherland Invasion" headline is just some byproduct of the U.S. steadily breaking away from international law and basic principles of a constitutional state totally disrespecting human rights, to do whatever action, wherever against whomever, no matter if it´s justified or covered by law, or not.

Just as they are still playing the "war on terror" wildcard, what basically enables them to go on a lunatic rampage against whoever interferes with U.S. interests, with whatever force they have in mind.<span id='postcolor'>

I see what you mean.

Bin Ladens men in Kashmere

Suprise suprise  

Is it because India is picking on Pakistan, america's friend.

Bush " Send in the Troops, India will never dare start a war with Pakistan with us there"<span id='postcolor'>

well well, if it ain't MR. 'I'm so right'?

here, shove this up your ass.

and doesn't it come to your mind that US news cited Indian televeision clip of Kashemere rebels placing bin Laden's picture on their rifle?

I bet not. you are too stupid to know that.

[Satchel 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ June 12 2002,22:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well, it's not Germany that is getting hijacked planes flying into buildings and have bombs in shoes and worry about 'dirty' bomb. <span id='postcolor'>

Well, it´s not Germany employing foreign policies the way the U.S. does, and it´s not Germany that puts itself beyond and above international law.

It had been only a question of time till something like WTC would happen, noone that follows international politics in any way was really surprised about the terrorist attack, although the extend of damage was indeed beyond belief.

Germany too had it´s share of terrorism activities plagueing it, if RAF (Rote Armee Fraktion) is familiar to you.

Don´t get me wrong, i have nothing against american citizens, but the U.S. government and it´s politics; national, as international.

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Satchel @ June 12 2002,22:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Germany too had it´s share of terrorism activities plagueing it, if RAF (Rote Armee Fraktion) is familiar to you.<span id='postcolor'>

I am indeed familiar with them, seeing as how they set off a car bomb on my base while I was living there (Rhein-Main AFB).

[Benze 0]

The netherlands are cool, when they arn't allied with the Nazis that is.

jk

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Satchel @ June 12 2002,22:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ June 12 2002,22:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well, it's not Germany that is getting hijacked planes flying into buildings and have bombs in shoes and worry about 'dirty' bomb. <span id='postcolor'>

Well, it´s not Germany employing foreign policies the way the U.S. does, and it´s not Germany that puts itself beyond and above international law.

It had been only a question of time till something like WTC would happen, noone that follows international politics in any way was really surprised about the terrorist attack, although the extend of damage was indeed beyond belief.

Germany too had it´s share of terrorism activities plagueing it, if RAF (Rote Armee Fraktion) is familiar to you.

Don´t get me wrong, i have nothing against american citizens, but the U.S. government and it´s politics; national, as international.<span id='postcolor'>

this brings up an interesting point. all you EU ppl criticize that US is not doing correct thing to deal with world affairs, that US is Rambo-ing.

but then again, if US stops its action, then the world criticizes US for being isolationist(again, i make this statement).

if US follows EU guidlines, then it cannot make any changes wither. just look at how incompetent EU was at solving problem called Milosevich. He was brought to Hague only after he was voted off, which was affected by US's attack on Kosovo.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ June 12 2002,22:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">this brings up an interesting point. all you EU ppl criticize that US is not doing correct thing to deal with world affairs, that US is Rambo-ing.

but then again, if US stops its action, then the world criticizes US for being isolationist(again, i make this statement).<span id='postcolor'>

It is the combinations of those two that make a bad combination. The US is being Ramboish by wanting to bomb Iraq again. US is being isolationist by not caring what anybody else in the world has to say about it.

In short, USA sticks its nose everywhere, but refuses anybody else to stick their noses in US business.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">if US follows EU guidlines, then it cannot make any changes wither. just look at how incompetent EU was at solving problem called Milosevich. He was brought to Hague only after he was voted off, which was affected by US's attack on Kosovo.<span id='postcolor'>

You are very wrong there. Milosevic would have been kicked out of power nine months earlier if it wasnt for the NATO bombings that united the Serbian people around him. This is however not just a US fuck-up, but a general NATO fuck-uo.

[nordin dk 0]

I was trying so hard to stay away from this thread, cos' I had a feeling this is what it would turn into.

We've been through it so many times!!!

Aaaargh!

I can't even be bothered to say anything relevant

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nordin dk @ June 12 2002,23:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I was trying so hard to stay away from this thread, cos' I had a feeling this is what it would turn into.

We've been through it so many times!!!

Aaaargh!

I can't even be bothered to say anything relevant <span id='postcolor'>

I'm officially abondoning this topic. The original topic was thoroughly discussed and debated, now we are sliding into all too familiar territory.

[IsthatyouJohnWayne 0]

i agree ,it never really gets anywhere -as anyone whos been here for a while notices...... but it is still fun sometimes,

i mean where else could we all communicate with people thousands of miles away like this?

its a pretty amazing opportunity really if we ever stopped to think about it

Our great grand-parents could never have dreamed of this,

people from what? 10-15 countries?

all communicating with each other and discussing the issues of the day even though theyve never met

Maybe if our grandparents had all had the internet then WW2 wouldnt have happened.....

Or if everyone had it now (including Osama BLaden before he went off the rails)and there were global forums including all the poor/oppressed peoples of the world, pehaps people would gain a mutual understanding?

but again-probably not......

such is life

oh well

[Satchel 0]

Noone wants the U.S. to follow EU guidelines, but guidelines that had been long set in the geneva convention, international treatys and other agreements of similar kind, the U.S. is withdrawing constantly from. The present learns us that these agreements are not worth the paper they are manifested on.

It´s naive to think that the WTC attack happened just because some camel jocks have fun blowing things up, because of their general hatred against everything that comes out of the western world.... such things are politically motivated and do happen on purpose; don´t forget that Bin Laden as Saddam Hussein (2 main actors in the absurd "war on terror" sope opera) had close relations to the U.S. some time ago, and were supported by them- where was the religious refusal and killing of everything western then? Where did it come from?

It´s much the same way the U.S. is letting speak their bombs rather than their diplomacy if their interests are interferred. To threaten and intimidate a NATO country with use of force, and calling the ICC a "Rogue Institution"  pretty much highlights the course the U.S. is taken lately. Because of U.S. actions the NATO treaty is constantly put to a hard test, and it´s understandable the majority of members are not very pleased by that.

I´m just glad we don´t have as many U.S. weapon systems as some years ago, the Netherlands on the other hand aren´t that fortunate and are totally dependant to the U.S., if  tensions because of ICC should be rising, they should be feared of sanction consequences, what puts nearly their whole Helicopter fleet, Airforce and small arms to a new perspective if no spare parts or replacements are shipped.

To put it short, either you´re with the U.S. or you´re a terrorist that is to be deprived of rights and support.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (IsthatyouJohnWayne @ June 12 2002,23:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><snip>

Or if everyone had it now (including Osama BLaden before he went off the rails)and there were global forums including all the poor/oppressed peoples of the world, pehaps people would gain a mutual understanding?

but again-probably not......

such is life

oh well<span id='postcolor'>

Sadly, the vast majority of the poor and oppressed in the third world will never have reliable access to the internet. Add to that the language barrier (and the fact that babelfish makes a horrible muck of translation and it's one of the better available tools), and you have a really high level of entry into the internet community.

It would be cool to see an international organisation whose sole purpose is to provide internet access and translation services in all of the major cities in the world. Sadly, countries like China would likely clamp down hard on outgoing information...meaning there wouldnt be the free exchange of ideas we might like.

As for the US invading the Netherlands..if the idea werent so laughable, I'd actually worry about it. It does make me a little frustrated that the US would scream bloody murder if one of their boys were tried for atrocities, yet would scream equally as loud if someone from a terrorist organisation wasnt properly tried. Have your cake and eat it too? I think not, Uncle Sam

[residuum 0]

Does NOBODY see Netherlands as the sea robbing bullies I do?

[PitViper 0]

well... this has turned into the typical Europe vs America argument.  I'm bailing soon..

anyway, the U.S has typically ratified very few international treaties in its history.  Whereas previous treaties were in good faith amongst its signee's, the ICC represents a gigantic power grab a step above any "treaty" in history. We like the current setup as is thank you. What's next? a global tax and global army? please... :rolleyes:

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ June 13 2002,04:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well... this has turned into the typical Europe vs America argument.  I'm bailing soon..

anyway, the U.S has typically ratified very few international treaties in its history.  Whereas previous treaties were in good faith amongst its signee's, the ICC represents a gigantic power grab a step above any "treaty" in history. We like the current setup as is thank you.  What's next? a global tax and global army?  please... :rolleyes:<span id='postcolor'>

Then why are you forcing other countries like Yugoslavia to obey the ICC? They like their own setup too, you know.

[PitViper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ June 12 2002,23:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ June 13 2002,04:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well... this has turned into the typical Europe vs America argument.  I'm bailing soon..

anyway, the U.S has typically ratified very few international treaties in its history.  Whereas previous treaties were in good faith amongst its signee's, the ICC represents a gigantic power grab a step above any "treaty" in history. We like the current setup as is thank you.  What's next? a global tax and global army?  please... :rolleyes:<span id='postcolor'>

Then why are you forcing other countries like Yugoslavia to obey the ICC? They like their own setup too, you know.<span id='postcolor'>

Last time I checked the Europeans are mainly handling that situation. I don't think the Milosevic case is "open and shut" as they expected. I don't believe its lending much more confidence to that court.

[Guest]

It was the Americans that got Milosevic extradited to the War Crimes Tribunal (now ICC). It's just a classical example of "do as we say and not as we do". And this comes from the simple fact that power corrupts.

[WKK Gimbal 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ June 13 2002,04:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well... this has turned into the typical Europe vs America argument.  I'm bailing soon..

anyway, the U.S has typically ratified very few international treaties in its history.  Whereas previous treaties were in good faith amongst its signee's, the ICC represents a gigantic power grab a step above any "treaty" in history. We like the current setup as is thank you.  What's next? a global tax and global army?  please... :rolleyes:<span id='postcolor'>

Well, if countries actually payed their dept and where more willing to send skilled soldiers/equipment, the UN would be the ultimate solution to any conflict in the world. And probably the only solution to many of them. The world is getting greyer and greyer, while US maintains it's purely black and white. It does not hold water one bit. You can't solve all conflicts by shooting people.

Besides, UN has proven to be one of the most cost efficient organizations on that level. If just they could draw on highly professional soldiers in the time of crisis...

[DestroyerX 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (residuum @ June 13 2002,02:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Does NOBODY see Netherlands as the sea robbing bullies I do?<span id='postcolor'>

What the hell are you talking about? Sheesh....

[DestroyerX 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (residuum @ June 13 2002,02:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Does NOBODY see Netherlands as the sea robbing bullies I do?<span id='postcolor'>

What the hell are you talking about? Sheesh....

[Postduifje 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (residuum @ June 13 2002,02:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Does NOBODY see Netherlands as the sea robbing bullies I do?<span id='postcolor'>

If you're serious about this, please explain...

[IsthatyouJohnWayne 0]

LOL he did explain it earlier if you were bored enough to look and no

its not serious

Vicious North Sea abusers!

Its Aqua-genocide¬!

[Postduifje 0]

Oh, now I see, sorry.

guilty as charged.