Questions about weapon stocks

[taro8 806]

Hello everyone, I would like to ask few questions about weapon stocks, their types, how they compare to each other and how they impact accuracy and recoil control.

I want to know this stuff as Im modding JA2 1.13 AIMANS mod to use new aiming system. The problem is that AIMNAS introduced stocks system that wasn't in vanilla 1.13, so I have to do a lot of guessing.

I post this here as there are a lot of gun nuts here that have first hand knowledge on this subject.

So I singled out following stock types that are used in AIMNAS:

*Folding

*Telescopic

*Retractable

*Fixed

The fixed stock is my base. Now the questions:

1. Hoes does compare shooting with weapon with and without stock? (I mean the accuracy, the ease of aim, ability to control recoil and such)

2. How much difference is between folding, telescopic and retractable stocks?

3. How does those 3 types compare to fixed stocks?

Im sorry if I shouldnt be posting here, but I want to know how does it really looks like. I dont have any actual experience with fire arms so thats why I came here for advice.

[JdB 151]

*Telescopic

*Fixed

2. How much difference is between folding, telescopic and retractable stocks?

3. How does those 3 types compare to fixed stocks?

The advantage of a telescopic stock over a fixed stock is that the length of the stock is adjustable. This makes it easier for soldiers who wear a ballistic vest to adjust the weapon to a comfortable length (and the same goes for soldiers of various body length). A fixed stock is like a one-size-fits all piece of clothing, but it doesn't fit everyone quite as well as it does the "average" person. It also makes storage easier and improves use in confined spaces.

[taro8 806]

Size handling is already simulated in JA2. What Im after is how stock types affect gun handling during autofire (if there is any difference).

New aiming system allows to define: maximum counter force that can be applied by shooter (to keep gun on target during auto fire), the accuracy of those corrections and how often they need to be applied (ie. how many shots, in burst, you can fire before you need to correct the aim). These is what Im after

BTW: Whats the difference between telescopic and retractable stocks? I googled it but I couldnt find definite answer.

[HyperU2 11]

I wouldn't say there is any real difference between telescopic and retractable. If you want to nit pick, then the stock like you'll find on the UZI and MP5 is what I'd call retractable, as in when it's at its smallest size it's unusable. I don't notice any difference when shooting with a collapsible versus a fixed, but some people don't like the inevitable amount of wiggle you encounter.

[slatts 1978]

stocks that arch downwards such as AK's tend to have more recoil then an M16 which has a straight stock in-line with the user shoulder

when i mentioned the AK i mean shape, nothing to do with the round

[taro8 806]

I don't notice any difference when shooting with a collapsible versus a fixed, but some people don't like the inevitable amount of wiggle you encounter.

Oh, this one coment I found interesting. This may be the info Im looking for. Could elaborate on that "wiggle" part?

[GRS 10]

Basically, if it can move, it is likely to not be as tight because it needs to have room to slide or adjust, therefore there may be some play otherwise it would be too tight to adjust or scrape up the part it slides on. Also, Slatts beat me too it, but an inline stock is much nicer regarding control.

Edited November 26, 2011 by GRS

[taro8 806]

This what I wanted to know. Now I will try to use this infor to balance out stocks. Thanks guys.

[andersson 285]

stocks that arch downwards such as AK's tend to have more recoil then an M16 which has a straight stock in-line with the user shoulder

when i mentioned the AK i mean shape, nothing to do with the round

Yep. In my military service I first used a RK62. The stock is downwards and the recoil was randomly up-right or up-left and it took more time to get it back on target.

After some time we switched to RK95 which has a straight stock in-line with the shoulder. That weapon had less recoil and it was straight up and the sight came back on the target more automatic.

[hellfire257 3]

A fixed stock is relatively squaddie proof.

[taro8 806]

Im aware of how stock shape affect recoil (been watching Discovery Channel often enough :P). I will try to take this into consideration, but AIMNAS has unique stocks only for few guns (SCAR's and few others). Otherwise its general purpose stocks (ie. wooden stocks fits AK-47 as well as M1 Garand) for rest, there are few types, but not much weapon specific. That is why I was more interested how the types, I mentioned before, affect gun handling during autofire, this is the only data Im missing (weight, ready time and so on are already set).

[taro8 806]

Ok here is what I came up with:

*Folding, retractable and telescopic stocks will be worse then fixed stocks for autofire. (folding will be best of the bunch)

*retractable and telescopic stocks will give slightly bigger bonus to aim then fixed stock. This is to simulate the fact that shooter can adjust its length for comfortable shooting

Overall fixed stock will be best overall, while rest will have its own usage.

Oh, and another thing. I was toying with the idea of modding in Thermal scopes into JA2, based on my experiences with from Arma 2. Due to limitations I will settle on scopes that allow same sight range at day and night, they will also have less tunnel vision then normal scopes. To balance this out they will have X4 zoom at most (dunno about that), will increase weapon size (harder to carry it around).

What I would like to know is if Thermal scopes have any kind of lag that would make them less desirable for long range shooting.

In short: Thermal scopes would be great tool for scanning the battlefield (especially at night) with ability to take take potshots at the enemy on short and medium range if need arises.

[MF_Washburn 1]

Interesting information.