Aircraft

[Renagade 0]

As for the ppl squabbling whether or not a rifle can go through plate metal,some guy was tesing a big game and had a little test section of it going through at least 1 inch plate steel :|

[SKULLS_Viper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As for the ppl squabbling whether or not a rifle can go through plate metal,some guy was tesing a big game and had a little test section of it going through at least 1 inch plate steel :|<span id='postcolor'>

I didnt know a rifle did that? You mean bullet.

[advocatexxx 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Benze @ June 05 2002,20:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Advocate, arguing with you is pointless. Oh, by the way:

Sorry, you are wrong once again. Please stop making stuff up. You know jack shiznit, and you know that.<span id='postcolor'>

LOL, yeah Benze.  First I'm not arguing, just proving you all wrong.  Second if you stick with Kermit  you'll end up getting yourself embarassed.  

Thanks for that nice diagram.  Now if you read it you will see that for 1996-Present average rifle rounds can penetrate 6mm Steel.

Now go back and read what Kermit said:  

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">An ordinary rifle bullet will go through two inches of steel and still be able to kill.<span id='postcolor'>

Now if you had attended your mathematics classes in school you would know that 1 inch = 25.4 milimeters.  Thus Kermit's claim that a rifle round can penetrate 2 inches of steel and still have enough power to kill would require that M16 rounds penetrate 50.8mm of Steel !!!

So please don't call me stupid, degenerate or bash me in any other way, because it is you who are wrong and lack even the basics in math and physics.

Besides, that diagram you posted only works in my advantage as it shows just how terribly, terribly wrong you both are.

Basic rifle rounds from M16 penetrating 2 inches of steel and still having enough power to kill.. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA

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Sorry, I cannot resist

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Lol, not quite.  It's the extreme temperature caused by the friction of the penetrator that cause the tank paint to evaporate and the steel ends up covered in reddish-brown coating of iron-oxide.<span id='postcolor'>

God Advocate, you are a half wit.  

Iron Oxide coating=corrosion

Whether it's from heat generated by a weapon strike, or from sitting out in the rain for a week, it's still corrosion.

Is it painful to be as half witted as you are?

Will your world view implode if you admit that you are wrong?

You remind me of a friend of mine who always had to be right.  In the end he ostracized his entire circle of friends because no one could bear his smug sanctimonous self.  Lucky for you you can post here whether anyone really wants you to.

[advocatexxx 0]

Yeah Warin,

Check the time at which I made that post.  Just one minute after yours.  

I assure you, when I started typing my reply you had not made yours yet.

And I'm very well aware of the fact that iron oxide is rust, no need to act as my teacher.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You remind me of a friend of mine who always had to be right.<span id='postcolor'>

After reading your post many times I still cannot pinpoint what statement I made was "wrong".  I never claimed I was always right, but my statements sure seem to have more mathematical, physical and logical sense in them than whatever those kiddies that oppose me say.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Check the time at which I made that post. Just one minute after yours. <span id='postcolor'>

Doh. My bad. I thought you were refering to my post and it's been a LONG day. Thus the 'iron oxide=corrosion' comment.

But you still come off as = a bit of a know it all, and likely wouldnt admit it even if you were wrong

[Assault (CAN) 1]

LOL, Advocate, I have nothing against you, but you crack me up sometimes.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">After reading your post many times I still cannot pinpoint what statement I made was "wrong". <span id='postcolor'>

You said:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The 30mm Vulcan mounted on the A-10 Thunderbolt will not, I repeat WILL NOT penetrate the armor of a battle tank. <span id='postcolor'>

LOL

Tyler

[advocatexxx 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The 30mm Vulcan mounted on the A-10 Thunderbolt will not, I repeat WILL NOT penetrate the armor of a battle tank.<span id='postcolor'>

Yes I know.

I have already apologized for not making that statement more clear, though for you I will apologize yet again.  

I know that I called it a Vulcan by mistake instead of Avenger.  I have discussed this for many pages and the words got a little mixed up in my head.

As I said before, I meant that a round from the 30mm Avenger will not penetrate the armor of a MBT, not the Avenger cannon itself. Obviously no one expect the gun to propel itself at a tank. So by saying the Avenger will not penetrate the armor of an MBT I meant the 30mm API rounds it fires.

By armor I meant just that - armor, the superthick layers of it on vital tank parts, not the thin sheets of iron on the top and such.

Since the 30mm API round's armor-piercing capability when fired at 500 meters is only 69mm, then that statement is more than valid.

[Benze 0]

Yeah, my ass.

Advocate in his tank:

"YOO CANNOT HURT ME!!!!!11 THE AVENGER XCAN"T HURT A MBT!!!!!!!!!!!111 HAHAHAHA "BUD"!!!!1"

Advocate in his tank after a single burst of 30mm:

"..."

Well, shiz. He must have been incinerated when the first round entered.

[advocatexxx 0]

LOL, that tank is decades old, hardly a formittable target for the Avenger. It's just overkill.

By the way Benze, just because I defeated basically every argument you threw at me doesn't mean you have to sink to such lows as to make fun of me in this childish way.

Maybe you should just depart and watch Barney, ey ?

[Warin 0]

Ummm...Benze...

That sort of makes you look a little...well...thick. At least...thicker than the armour on an M-60.

While the M-60 was an MBT in it's day, it's pretty much outclassed by everyting, including the T-72's that the A-10 made mincemeat of.

So before you try to mock Advocate (and that's not a bad thing ), at least consider finding a way to do it that doesnt make you look sort of...silly.

[Benze 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By the way Benze, just because I defeated basically every argument you threw at me doesn't mean you have to sink to such lows as to make fun of me in this childish way. <span id='postcolor'>

ROFL

[Benze 0]

I don't know. The USMC used old M60s in the gulf just fine.

[Benze 0]

Advocate, where are you even standing? The Avenger cannon can defeat any MBT. Period. No arguing that.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Since the 30mm API round's armor-piercing capability when fired at 500 meters is only 69mm, then that statement is more than valid.<span id='postcolor'>

Yes, point taken. However you are ignoring that when 20 are lodged in the front of the tank, it takes structural dammage, and will spall on the crew.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

Advocate, no need for the explaination, I know that you corrected yourself. You wanted to know what you said was wrong, so I told you.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By armor I meant just that - armor, the superthick layers of it on vital tank parts, not the thin sheets of iron on the top and such.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, aircraft attack from the top, so naturally the top and side parts of the tank will have to stand up to the attack. Sure, a single 30mm round probably won't penetrate the glacis plate of a T-72, but that point is moot. If you have a weapon that will only work on the weaker points of a tank, do you aim for the strongest?

Besides, I think Satchel has already 'won' the argument.

Tyler

[Benze 0]

I close ze book.

::closes ze book:

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Benze @ June 06 2002,04:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't know. The USMC used old M60s in the gulf just fine.<span id='postcolor'>

from fas.org

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This tank saw action with the Israeli forces during the Yom Kippur War in both the Sinai and the Golan Heights. During Operation Desert Shield/Desert Storm the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force fielded 210 M60A1s to support the Saudi-Marine effort into Kuwait City.<span id='postcolor'>

By the time the Marines got to Kuwait City with the Saudis, I doubt they had anything more to do than roll along and look pretty I cant imagine the A-10s left any armour for them to deal with

[Benze 0]

Well they served their purpose of looking pretty.

Armour does increase morale a lot, though.

[advocatexxx 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Benze @ June 05 2002,22:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Advocate, where are you even standing? The Avenger cannon can defeat any MBT. Period. No arguing that.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Since the 30mm API round's armor-piercing capability when fired at 500 meters is only 69mm, then that statement is more than valid.<span id='postcolor'>

Yes, point taken. However you are ignoring that when 20 are lodged in the front of the tank, it takes structural dammage, and will spall on the crew.<span id='postcolor'>

I never said that a spray of bullets from the Avenger cannot defeat an MBT.

There's a difference between claiming that a single 30mm API round cannot penetrate the heavily armored parts of a tank and claiming that a shitload of them will cause quite a havoc.

Of course the Avenger can defeat any MBT out there, some more easily than others. I never doubted that : )

[ChickenHawk 0]

[timmy 0]

"arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics, even if you win, your still retarted"

while i dont always agree with this statement, in this stupid argument, it is the case. why dont yall just stop arguing with advocate, you know he will never give up.

[advocatexxx 0]

I think we already settled our issues. Unless Kermin comes out with another bound-to-lose argument I rest happily ever after.

[Benze 0]

::disembowels stuffed pikachu::

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics, even if you win, your still retarted"

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LMAO, been a while since I heard that one.

[amos m 0]

umm. this thread, and many others, are full of such useful information.........unless u are playing ofp.

Fuck all this shit u ppl are spinning.

THIS IS NOT REAL LIFE!!!