Wall Street Occupation

[jblackrupert 14]

Like I said, maybe if they took a page from the Tea party they might get somewhere.

Less theatre and more information and ANSWERS.

Wether you agree with them or not. The tea partiers had their shit together

and got their message out and unlike the OWS crowd they had clear cut answers

to what should be done to change things.

TV and Youtube viewers shouldn't left in hysterics or a strong desire to take a shower

after seeing you.

[dmarkwick 261]

jblackrupert, the thing I hear most from you is along the lines of these people are more than likely [insert behaviour]. Always with the generalisations based on what I will guess are your natural biases. You assume most of them cannot string together a coherent reason to be there. You assume most of them to be Blackberry/iPhone wielding scroungers. You highlight the few green haired tattoed individuals as though they're representative. Etc. Etc. I get the impression you cannot really argue against the cause itself, and so point out individuals you simply don't care for. And successfully derail the thread while you're at it, much like the news reports are doing. I hear people talk like this all the time and it's depressing.

[mrcash2009 0]

Wether you agree with them or not. The tea partiers had their shit together

and got their message out and unlike the OWS crowd they had clear cut answers

to what should be done to change things.

Well, this isn't the tea party, its bigger than that and a larger subject matter which stems globaly and touches lots of areas of society in the US including those you dont seem to like, so open a tea party thread, because at the moment you almost come off as trolling this one mate.

[jblackrupert 14]

If they want people to listen and take them seriously they have to clean up their act. kick out of the rabble rousers and get a coherant message along with some answers

or at least suggestions prepared and someone who doesn't look like he climbed out of cardboard box under a bridge to deliver it.

Even the hippies from the 60's decided it was time to cut their hair, take a bath and get a job.

I'm not defending banks, corporations that don't pay taxes or underpay their workers.

Just like applying for a job, you dress well, speak well, cut your fingernails and speak clearly. Try doing what these people are doing and see how well the interview goes.

so open a tea party thread

You're ignoring the point.

The tea party is a good example of people who want change and went about it the right way. The conducted themselves in a civil manner and the cities they were in didn't need to send in 1000 cops

and a few hundred garbage trucks to clean up after them.

The only reason the police should be needed at a protest march

is to direct traffic and make sure things run smoothly.

If the cops are there to keep you from shitting on the sidewalks and breaking windows you are doing it wrong.

Simple.

Edited October 20, 2011 by jblackrupert

[mrcash2009 0]

Maybe they do, but those videos you dont watch, post or comment on here in this part of the net.

Just like applying for a job, you dress well, speak well, cut your fingernails and speak clearly. Try doing what these people are doing and see how well the interview goes.

Ever stopped to think the irony is the subject this is about, maybe they dont have allot of money due to jobs they have (would like, or cannot get), education they cannot get? You know, reasons for protesting at wall street.

The tea party is a good example of people who want change and went about it the right way. The conducted themselves in a civil manner and the cities they were in didn't need to send in 1000 cops

and a few hundred garbage trucks to clean up after them.

Didn't disagree, you ignored my point, and that was that this isn't going to be what you would like (its not the tea party or the same subject nor touching on the same people in life), so forever have a chip on you shoulder about it.

This type of protesting is tip of the iceberg worldwide and you think that being cleaner and having a suit and a haircut while the economy bottoms out is going to make it all go away so you feel better about cleanliness & image to take a subject more serious becuase of the packaging? .... you have a big shock coming that's for sure.

Edited October 20, 2011 by mrcash2009

[st_dux 26]

I certainly believe if you feel strongly about something that maybe you cannot articulate because you dont have media training or some degree in the subject your still valid bolstering the movements main points.

What main points? OWS is a leaderless movement which, as far as I can tell, has no main points. There isn't a single coherent and unified point other than "shit sucks right now."

[jblackrupert 14]

Sense of entitlement, attention whoring generation + Protest everything crowd = What you see now.

Despite all the drugs and sex parties the 60's hippies at least had a coherant message.

Comparing themselves to the Libyans and Egyptions is just......... beyond words.

Edited October 20, 2011 by jblackrupert

[froggyluv 2135]

Well, they are still in infancy -a mob of disenfranchised Americans with an underlying disgruntlement without a focused message -kinda like the Tea Party in it's early stages before being molded by the Right.

Maybe it's time to post some videos of the lunatics from those early rally's as well :rolleyes:

[jblackrupert 14]

I think it's a little too late now. Winter is coming and the nutjobs have got them outnumbered.

The only people doing the "occupying" will be the ones with nowhere else to go. The homeless and once the donations dry up they'll be gone to.

[mrcash2009 0]

What main points? OWS is a leaderless movement which, as far as I can tell, has no main points. There isn't a single coherent and unified point other than "shit sucks right now."

Get used to it, or just be angry allot :) I meant that the points raised that people are not happy with the things right now, what speakers have already mentioned, I think your choosing to not accept it does have a point even when the circus is under full swing. Under the umbrella of "Shit sucks right now" are the points. I dont see them changing the world or policy at the moment, well, the ones that are easy to pick up and smirk at, but the rest do even if you dont like the rest of it.

Sense of entitlement, attention whoring generation + Protest everything crowd = What you see now.

Well when this crisis spreads and it hits you on a direct personal level I assume you will do nothing in fear of looking like your showing off, but if you can get your hands on one, make sure you get your suit and if the barber shop isn't burned to the ground or closed for business get that hair cut in.

The only people doing the "occupying" will be the ones with nowhere else to go. The homeless and once the donations dry up they'll be gone to.

Never hold your breath, not for next few years my friend. This just shows your mentality to it all really, when those homeless people end up and are ending up hitting the middle classes and so on you better still stick to your points and not back peddle.

Edited October 20, 2011 by mrcash2009

[jblackrupert 14]

Nope, I find sources on income by handing out my number to as many people as I can who I see that can offer me an income no matter how small so long as it's not rediculously low.

And yes, the shitty economy hit me many months ago. over a year in fact.

As for the hair. Been cutting it myself for over 30 years, why? SAVE time money

it's cost me maybe a couple hundred dollars in clippers as opposed to a few thousand in Barbers.

Do I own my own house?

No.

Why?

Because I partied hard and traveled all over the place when I should have been saving

Who do I blame?

Me. Not the corporations, not the government, not my parents, not my teachers...... ME

These kids want a top level job with a silver plated paycheck with an arts degree day 1 out of college,

Thats the blowback I guess from a rich nation that spoiled it's kids for so long. they don't

know how to work and earn things in the REAL world.

[mrcash2009 0]

And so becuase of this, those type of kids and so on, what does that change about the reason this movement started? It wasn't all that type of people only. And the fact you also are experiencing this?

This cotton wool spoiled generation are a product of what was handed to them by the same source that's now pulling that rug away, so they are just pawns of something we all are going to be effected by, so focusing on that isn't really going to help just as much as your view of the protesters. Thats why devide and rule works, keep in fighting and pointing fingers, have's and have nots all getting on the high ground at one another, meanwhile we have all been ripped a new one, and it wont matter what you have.

So in one large cycle, this type of protesting wont go away be it spoiled people, homeless people and so on.

Edited October 20, 2011 by mrcash2009

[st_dux 26]

Get used to it, or just be angry allot :) I meant that the points raised that people are not happy with the things right now, what speakers have already mentioned, I think your choosing to not accept it does have a point even when the circus is under full swing. Under the umbrella of "Shit sucks right now" are the points. I dont see them changing the world or policy at the moment, well, the ones that are easy to pick up and smirk at, but the rest do even if you dont like the rest of it.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

[mrcash2009 0]

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

OK: List the reasons of why this movement happened, which are the points of it, and can you not list anything as in it is pointless and had no points, leader, no leader, people you dont like the look of, your view of how it should be run excluded.

Based on:

What main points? OWS is a leaderless movement which, as far as I can tell, has no main points.

Maybe somethings existence and happening only is the point.

Edited October 20, 2011 by mrcash2009

[Macadam Cow 1]

TV and Youtube viewers shouldn't left in hysterics or a strong desire to take a shower

after seeing you.

5 pics, found on google after typing OWS protesters :

http://animalnewyork.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Occupy_wall_street.jpg

http://www.solidarity-us.org/current/files/labor%20ows%201.png

http://www.frumforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/OWS.jpg

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/assets/library/nyc-426--131762357241220300.jpg

http://www.theipinionsjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/ows.jpg

And 5 pics of tea party protesters

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xflxyLKNag4/Td9EaKGiIOI/AAAAAAAAAHk/fKFTQkFaBY8/s1600/health-care-tea-party.jpg

http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/files/2010/02/teaparty2.jpg

http://images.publicradio.org/content/2009/04/16/20090416_teaparty2_33.jpg

http://edlwiltshire.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/teaparty2.jpg

http://www.theipinionsjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/teaparty.jpg

The only major differences I see :

- More american flags with the tea party protesters

- More old people with the tea party protesters

Beside that I haven't seen any green haired person or someone who looks like he is out of a garbage.

Once again, as many have pointed out, you're just focusing on a few excentrics.

Instead of basing your opinions on what you see on TV or on Youtube why don't you just go and meet them ? Why don't you participate or just listen to one of their - many - debates ?

Just to be clear : I'm not pro or anti capitalist, I'm not left or right wing. For me there are good and bad arguments in both sides.

Edited October 20, 2011 by Macadam Cow

[jblackrupert 14]

Regardless, the way they went about doing this was a clusterfuck waiting to happen.

The fact that the winter weather is starting to set in means that even if they somehow

manage to elect a leader with a coherent message the mud, soggy tents, trash and the fun and games that go with that will be the focus of peoples attention.

Sooner or later the attention will turn to people crawling into emergency wards seriously ill.

Instead of basing your opinions on what you see on TV or on Youtube why don't you just go and meet them ? Why don't you participate or just listen to one of their - many - debates

I was down at the Vancouver protest site with a friend on my lunchbreak from my part-time job at a business directly across the street.

he was there offering jobs to the people claiming to be students demanding jobs.

Out of 30-35 he gave his number to only 1 called back and that one didn't show up for work in the morning.

$15/hr helping load/unload trucks delivering construction supplies to sites around Vancouver.

nothing too hard, the cranes do the most of the heavy lifting and most of the day is actually spend sitting in the truck.

FREE workboots and some pocket money for lunch if they needed it.

Edited October 20, 2011 by jblackrupert

[mrcash2009 0]

Regardless, they way they went about doing this was a clusterfuck waiting to happen.

And the US economy and ways of working, plus the global aspect to this somehow isnt? Who's worse even if it was?

Sooner or later the attention will turn people getting seriously ill.

Shame they dont focus this attention to those loosing homes and families and so on getting it in the neck and becoming ill who haven't been to it. Edited October 20, 2011 by mrcash2009

[jblackrupert 14]

And the US economy and ways of working, plus the global aspect to this somehow isnt? Who's worse even if it was?

Shame they dont focus this attention to those loosing homes and families and so on getting it in the neck and becoming ill who haven't been to it.

Doesn't change the fact that if your going to hold a protest you still need planning, leadership and a coherant message.

And if possible some answers.

Just announcing a protest wall street message on twitter or facebook

is just an invitation to bring out all the wrong people.

[eble 3]

Doesn't change the fact that if your going to hold a protest you still need planning, leadership and a coherant message.

And if possible some answers.

Just announcing a protest wall street message on twitter or facebook

is just an invitation to bring out all the wrong people.

I guess the wrong people depends what country you live in.

The Arab revolution were driven by social media with no real, structure otherthan turn up and lets changes things, it worked in two countires with little bloodshed, well Libya it still worked but took a bit more direct action shall we say.

[jblackrupert 14]

And a little air support. They were getting their asses handed to them up until that point.

[mrcash2009 0]

Doesn't change the fact that if your going to hold a protest you still need planning, leadership and a coherant message.

And if possible some answers.

Wouldn't disagree, but it is what it is unless someone can do better, and points still stand if they are stood making idiots of themselves or they stopped at home, it will only be another set of people next time.

[jblackrupert 14]

Steve Jobs invented the Internet

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[froggyluv 2135]

Alec Baldwin visited the Occupy Wall Street protests in New York City this week, where he found himself defending the very institutions the demonstrators are protesting: Banks, capitalism and the rich.

"You have to have capital markets in this country," Baldwin said. "You can't not have strong capital markets in this country or this country is going to go down the tubes. ... Capitalism is worthwhile and capitalism demands the flow of money. ... You want the banks to do what the banks do."

Baldwin said he wouldn't answer any questions, but quickly got into a discussion with a group of Ron Paul supporters who grilled him on the Federal Reserve.

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/alec-baldwin-defends-capitalism-banks-occupy-wall-street-211042701.html

Now I've seen everything -a Liberal actor defending capitalism and the banks getting accosted by Libertarians.

Only n Merica'.

[Hans Ludwig 0]

I like this guy!

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