Japan hit by 9.0-magnitude earthquake and tsunami

[Tonci87 163]

Please guys, back to topic

[noubernou 77]

HAHAHA I'm opinionated and arrogant? I'm the one telling you that not everyone shares the same opinions and if you can't handle that then you're better off someplace else and you're calling me opinionated and arrogant? You're an idiot...

Big Mac, you can't have an opinion on something that is factual. Its impossible. You do not seem to understand that.

Fact: The situation at Fukushima #1 is not as bad as Chernobyl.

You can not deny that because it is what is factually correct, there is nothing proving that there is anything close to the level of radiation being emitted as there was at Chernobyl, saying otherwise means you are ignorant of the situation, continuing to argue so means you are highly opinionated.

Does this not register for you?

Thats all I am saying, is that if people want to argue that it is bad as Chernobyl then go right ahead, but they are wrong, opinion or otherwise, what they are saying does not match up with the facts of the situation.

[Big Mac 19]

Big Mac, you can't have an opinion on something that is factual. Its impossible. You do not seem to understand that.

Fact: The situation at Fukushima #1 is not as bad as Chernobyl.

You can not deny that because it is what is factually correct, there is nothing proving that there is anything close to the level of radiation being emitted as there was at Chernobyl, saying otherwise means you are ignorant of the situation, continuing to argue so means you are highly opinionated.

Does this not register for you?

Thats all I am saying, is that if people want to argue that it is bad as Chernobyl then go right ahead, but they are wrong, opinion or otherwise, what they are saying does not match up with the facts of the situation.

Wrong, those are your opinions. Just because you say they're facts don't make them facts. Daniel as put forth more facts than you have. But anyways as I already said, it's not problem because I don't live in Japan so even though I'll say prayers for them at mass the rest of the week I could careless, not because I'm a mean person, but because until my house starts glowing the dark it's not my problem so why should I care if it's as bad as Chernobyl or not?

[noubernou 77]

Wrong, those are your opinions. Just because you say they're facts don't make them facts. Daniel as put forth more facts than you have.

Daniel agreed with me though... :rolleyes:

[Big Mac 19]

Daniel agreed with me though... :rolleyes:

And that matters why? I never said he didn't. I just said he put forth facts where as you didn't so his statement was more than just an opinion where as yours was just a opinion that you were trying to pawn off as more. I'm not even arguing that you're wrong, I'm just trying to point out the error in your ways which is you seem to think if you say it's a fact then it must be. You're not going to win so I suggest you stop before you make yourself look more stupid than you already have.

[Tonci87 163]

Seriously People, stop discussing who is ignorant and who isn´t: There is a Country in deep trouble. Stay on topic

[noubernou 77]

And that matters why? I never said he didn't. I just said he put forth facts where as you didn't so his statement was more than just an opinion where as yours was just a opinion that you were trying to pawn off as more. I'm not even arguing that you're wrong, I'm just trying to point out the error in your ways which is you seem to think if you say it's a fact then it must be. You're not going to win so I suggest you stop before you make yourself look more stupid than you already have.

Seeing that Steven Chu, the Energy Secretary for the US says that it could be worse than.... Three Mile Island... I'd say I was pretty factual about it not being as bad as Chernobyl... ;)

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/16/chu.nuclear.energy/

The amount of misinformation, hyperbole, and complete fear mongering in the media over this is amazing. Anyone with any knowledge of Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, nuclear energy, or even a basic understanding of nuclear physics can easily cut through this BS thats being spread.

[whisper 0]

1st, comparing is just that : comparing.

How is the Japan situation scaling compared to Tchernobyl? Less? Well, congrats, you just compared both!!

I see no problem in people trying to figure out how bad it is, and the obvious item to compare to is Tchernobyl.

Comparing doesn't mean stating the situation in Japan is worse than Tchernobyl.

Comparing is just that : comparing.

2nd, (and just in jest :) ) to people sure that there's zero threat, seeing how Japanese people are now in terrible need of help, I'd suggest going to help there. 50 people is certainly not enough, they could use a hand, you'd be very welcome ;)

[PuFu 4600]

Seriously People, stop discussing who is ignorant and who isn´t: There is a Country in deep trouble. Stay on topic

there is a report button, you know?

[Big Mac 19]

Seeing that Steven Chu, the Energy Secretary for the US says that it could be worse than.... Three Mile Island... I'd say I was pretty factual about it not being as bad as Chernobyl... ;)

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/16/chu.nuclear.energy/

The amount of misinformation, hyperbole, and complete fear mongering in the media over this is amazing. Anyone with any knowledge of Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, nuclear energy, or even a basic understanding of nuclear physics can easily cut through this BS thats being spread.

You obviously don't understand that I never stated an opinion for or against it being as bad as Chernobyl and I've even gone so far as to say I didn't care but yet you somehow think I have and are determined to prove me wrong. Did your mother drop you on your head as a baby or were just born stupid?

There is a Country in deep trouble. Stay on topic

We are on topic.

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

No, your not, so both of you (Nouber, Mac) please stay the **** out of my thread til you calm down.

[noubernou 77]

No, your not, so both of you (Nouber, Mac) please stay the **** out of my thread til you calm down.

All I am trying to do is make sure that the hyperbole and BS that the news has been reporting doesn't get repeated here as fact.

Like I said, the amount of misinformation and hyperbole during this crisis is insane. If peoples feelings are hurt by someone telling them that what they posted is wrong, or that they are drawing the wrong conclusions then so be it, this is an evolving situation still, people, including myself, are bound to be wrong at one point or another and need to deal with it for the good of a clearer understanding of this crisis.

[Big Mac 19]

No, your not, so both of you (Nouber, Mac) please stay the **** out of my thread til you calm down.

Darkhorse I like ya dude, but you're not a mod and we are on topic and even if we aren't so what? It wouldn't be the first time a thread went OT..

[W0lle 1050]

Then I tell you now to take your issues to PM where you don't bother the rest of the community with it.

[Big Mac 19]

Hi W0lle. I was bothered that you asked that people who were sharing opinions/observations that didn't sit well with you not share them, maybe next time instead of calling you out I'll PM you directly. All I said was if you don't like it then don't read it. I just don't like it when people tell/ask others not to share their opinions because someone doesn't agree with them.

Edited March 16, 2011 by Big Mac

[walker 0]

Hi all

'Extremely high' radiation levels

Apparently one of the Fuel Pools is completely drained and a US official is quoted as saying there are are 'Extremely high' radiation levels at the Japanese plant reaching 1,000 millisieverts per hour and stabilizing in the 600-800 millisieverts per hour range.

http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110316/nuclear-fuel-rods-110316/20110316/?hub=MontrealHome

From a source:

Tokyo Electric Power Co the "Fukushima nuclear plant owner falsified inspection records"

Google may reveal more information ;) As will the news agencies. At least the real ones.

The full story is truly shocking.

Walker

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Hi all

Journalist are now openly admitting they are fleeing the country

Steve Marshall: Fleeing Fukushima

By Steve Marshall

Published: 9:08PM Tuesday March 15, 2011 Source: ONE News

As a foreign correspondent, the challenges you face and the hurdles you have to jump to get the job done are all part and parcel of the role.

It's actually one of the things I love about it. But this assignment in Japan is very different.

I came here to cover an earthquake-tsunami tragedy and now I'm fleeing the country as it teeters on the brink of a nuclear meltdown.

I'm now travelling in a van, heading north-west, through snow-covered mountains, out of the danger zone after several explosions rocked the Fukushima nuclear power plant some 200km south of me...

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/steve-marshall-fleeing-fukushima-4064404

As always follow the link to the original article in full

A clearly frightened Anderson Cooper was seen asking “Should I get out of here?â€

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In all honesty when a man famed for coolness in Iraq, Afghanistan and Katrina says things like that you know it is bad.

US alarm over Japan atomic crisis

16 March 2011 Last updated at 23:30

Increasing alarm has been expressed in the US about the crisis at Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant in Japan.

Greg Jaczko, chairman of the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC), said attempts to cool reactors with sea water and prevent them from melting down appeared to be failing.

Emergency workers in the vicinity could be exposed to "potentially lethal" radiation doses, he said.

The plant was severely damaged by last week's huge earthquake and tsunami.

US Energy Secretary Steven Chu has said that the situation at the plant appears to be more serious than the partial meltdown at the Three Mile Island nuclear plant in Pennsylvania in 1979...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12766930

As always follow the link to the original article in full

The UK Foreign Office, renowned for telling its citizens in an emergency last, has now joined the mass of countries telling its citizens to leave now.

Britons told to quit Tokyo as radiation levels rise

Published Date: 17 March 2011

By Tom Peterkin

British nationals in Tokyo and northern Japan were last night advised to leave the area as the nuclear crisis deepened, amid warnings it might prove worse than Chernobyl.

The Foreign Office said Britons near the disaster zone should either leave the country or move to southern Japan. Other nations also urged their citizens to leave Tokyo, while several big Nordic companies, including Ikea and H&M, offered to help staff relocate further south.

Asian and European airlines began diverting Tokyo flights to Osaka or cancelling them altogether...

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/news/Britons-told-to-quit-Tokyo.6735416.jp

As always follow the link to the original article in full

Truly Shocking US Official Assessment

Recommends a 50 Mile Exclusion Zone

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/16/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=T1

I think I have to say this is bad.

We have left the Oh Fuck chapter of the Nuclear Disaster Plan and entered the Epilogue.

Walker

Edited March 17, 2011 by walker

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

.... If your gonna keep this fear-mongering up walker you should make your own thread. All the United States has said is that they wouldn't allow troops within 50 miles. (This is what i read on the page you listed as proof. Hell, I don't even think you read it, you just saw 50 miles and jumped on it) That's not an "Exclusion Zone" by any definition. The U.S. is a bit more paranoid over things like this. Just like we don't accept losses when we deploy our troops (Well, we generally don't take losses well. eg: Somalia, October 3rd, 1993. Take down a helicopter, knowing we will come after them and leading to 3x-5x+ the casualties.) we do almost everything we can to keep out of harms way.

So yes, we advised evacuations up to 50 miles from the plant, but that's not an exclusion zone, it's an evacuation zone.

As for Anderson Cooper, he's not as calm under pressure after having been attacked in Egypt, so don't base anything off that. :D

[whisper 0]

Water is being poured via helicopters (and they succeeded this time)

Electricity reconnection will be attempted today :

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110317p2a00m0na001000c.html

Hopefully it'll work fine

[walker 0]

...All the United States has said is that they wouldn't allow troops within 50 miles. (This is what i read on the page you listed as proof. Hell, I don't even think you read it, you just saw 50 miles and jumped on it)

Hi Darkhorse 1-6

Err you are looking at an edited page. I am fairly careful about sources,

Scroll down to the video

"Nuke official: Radiation extremely high"

It is what was said by Gregory Jaczko, the chairman of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, as he testified in front of the the House Energy Committee. It was originally the headline video on that page.

I will try to get an exact transcript but what he said was that if it was in the US he would be recommending considerably larger radius evacuation. The US ambasador to Japan interpreted that as a 50 Mile evacuation zone for all US citizens.

His Statment was based on this:

http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/news/2011/11-050_Attchmt.pdf

The page has changed since I quoted from it. The Last edit was By the CNN Wire Staff on March 17, 2011 at

Updated 0313 GMT (1113 HKT)

see top of page to confirm. Of course I cannot prevent the CNN page being re-edited yet again in the mean time.

I last edited my post at:

Last edited by walker; Today at 12:43 AM.

Full video here

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/JapanNu

As to the question of whether it is an exclusion zone or an evacuation zone you are semantically correct while interpretationally incorrect. The pdf above makes it clear that dosages for at least 2 years will exceed EPA Protective Action Guides (PAG) even within 50 miles. Thus in the US it would be an exclusion zone of 50 Miles plus for at least two years

PAG is explained here:

http://www.epa.gov/rpdweb00/rert/pags.html

I do not need to do any fear-mongering. The facts are there.

According to the US expert this disaster is far worse than the Japanese people are being told. Heck the Japanese people are not even being told what the correct dossage readings are.

With radiation readings suposedly dropping from 1000 millisieverts per hour down to just 2.5 millisieverts yeh right, if you believe that one I can sell you the Brooklyn Bridge. They are being inconsistant with where they measure. Not only that but the Japanese are being told they are Microsieverts by their Government 1000 times smaller than the actual readings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sievert#SI_multiples_and_conversions

IAEA head, Yukiya Amano, is now calling the situation at the Fukushima nuclear plant "very serious" and sources are saying he will not be visiting the plant as it is too dangerous for him.

Kind Regards walker

Edited March 17, 2011 by walker

[Tonci87 163]

Jesus walker, you are starting to behave like some of those TV Stations that just like to scream around "OH MY GOD; WE WILL ALL DIE; WORLD WILL END TODAY Blablah blah"

Seriously, don´t jump on the panic mongering train, it will destroy your credibility. writing in bid red also won´t help....

[mosh 0]

Jesus walker, you are starting to behave like some of those TV Stations that just like to scream around "OH MY GOD; WE WILL ALL DIE; WORLD WILL END TODAY Blablah blah"

Seriously, don´t jump on the panic mongering train, it will destroy your credibility. writing in bid red also won´t help....

My god write a blog or something... every other post is yours here, walker.

EDIT - I meant the chicken little syndrome, not necessarily the quality or quantity of the posts... and I would read the blog if he made one. ;)

edited this because I didn't mean it as an insult...

Edited March 17, 2011 by Mosh
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[Tonci87 163]

Don´t get me wrong walker, I really appreciate that you are trying to keep us informed, but please do that in a more professional way.

[SteveJA 12]

Personally i enjoy reading walkers posts due to the interesting links and facts that he uncovers. Very few other people are adding anything constructive or ontopic at all at the moment, so of course Walker is going to be every other post.

Walker keep it up!

Cheers

[walker 0]

Don´t get me wrong walker, I really appreciate that you are trying to keep us informed, but please do that in a more professional way.

Hi Tonci87

Ah Crap :(

Do you mean I have to go to Journalist school?

Kind Regards walker

[Big Mac 19]

I'm with steve on this one. People give Walker a lot of flak, but very few people take the time and put in as much effort as Walker does to get his point across. Granted sometimes I find his posts to be a bit on the side of fear mongering, but that's no different than most news agencies these days.