Libyan Air-force ordered to bomb protesters

[Spokesperson 0]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12776418

1028: "BBC world affairs correspondent Alan Little in Tripoli said it was assumed the shot-down plane in Benghazi belonged to Col Gaddafi's forces, but it now appears it was flown by rebel forces. "

"1048 Hussein, from Tripoli, Libya, writes: "Please foreigners, go and sort your own home problems. You have caused a lot of problems in Africa and the Middle East for more than 100 years but you still claim to protect the human race on your own self interest""

"0946: Shazib, from Bengazi, Libya, writes: "We the people of Libya are thinking that, America is trying to invade our country to get our oil. They are giving arms to the rebels and creating a worse situation here. The USA has no right to do so. We want to solve our problem ourselves."

"1102: The Guardian's Chris McGreal tweets about the shot-down plane: "rebels on frontline in south west of benghazi told me plane was theirs. since confirmed by revolutionary council. #benghazi." "

So what about rebel planes and tanks? It seems highly unlikely that NATO will shoot down the planes of the neo-liberals/islamists.

I hope the colonialist planes will be downed and their campaign crushed.

[Minutemen 10]

Libyan Air-force ordered to bomb protesters

Russia Today: Russian Military Claims Libya Air Strikes Did Not Happen

That looks like the same kind of horror storys like these "iraqi soldiers throwing babys out of their Incubators" Bullcrap that we heared during the secound gulf war. :rolleyes:

By the way, there was also an No-fly zone over Iraq and tousands of iraqi children died by starvation and other avoidable things. And Madeleine Albright defends these genocide.

A no fly zone does not mean, that they shoot ghaddafis fighter jet off the air, it means that they start bombing runways, airport and supplies.

And don't forgett, sanctions just hit the population. And who do you think they begging for help? They will begging there regime for help and support it to get something.

I don't have a dog in this fight. Ghaddafi is a alcoholic dictator hows blackmail western europe and his sons are human garbage.

The rebels are supportet by saudia arabia and saudia arabia is the same kind of ruling class like in lybia. Maybee even worse.

They should all hang together.

[Spokesperson 0]

People (westerners) on the ground claim the same thing. They saw no air attacks when they were supposed to have happened.

It's just a dirty lie in order to introduce a no-fly zone and then an invasion.

And attacking unarmed people from the air is absurd.

Sure a lot of civilians die while being in the combat zone or when missiles miss their targets, but that is not considered a crime against humanity. And that's what happens in Iraq, Pakistan, Israel, Ivory Coast, and Afghanistan every day anyway.

It has never been an issue about protecting civilians, (Yemen, Bahrain etc), and never about human rights (Guantanamo, Saudi Arabia). They are in it for long term profit. And to that cause they have to topple the Gaddafi regime which is less pro west than the rebel leaders. Rebel troops also praise the former king, which shows that they are reactionary.

[dm 9]

And attacking unarmed people from the air is absurd.

Tell that to the SADF, and their Cassinga Raid

[Minutemen 10]

Tell that to the SADF, and their Cassinga Raid

Or the US Airforce and their drone war... :cool:

[jakerod 254]

People (westerners) on the ground claim the same thing. They saw no air attacks when they were supposed to have happened.

It's just a dirty lie in order to introduce a no-fly zone and then an invasion.

And attacking unarmed people from the air is absurd.

Sure a lot of civilians die while being in the combat zone or when missiles miss their targets, but that is not considered a crime against humanity. And that's what happens in Iraq, Pakistan, Israel, Ivory Coast, and Afghanistan every day anyway.

It has never been an issue about protecting civilians, (Yemen, Bahrain etc), and never about human rights (Guantanamo, Saudi Arabia). They are in it for long term profit. And to that cause they have to topple the Gaddafi regime which is less pro west than the rebel leaders. Rebel troops also praise the former king, which shows that they are reactionary.

Didn't several pilots defect/eject from their planes because they were ordered to attack unarmed protesters? I suppose that could be a media fabrication but I don't understand why they would defect now then and not before the war.

[Spokesperson 0]

They were just probably symphatizers who didn't want to destroy weapon depots. After all some were intact and left to plunder.

If they defected before the war there would be no turning back, and that was also before the split occured. Nobody fought before the war either, but at some instant there's a chain reaction that made people join and defect either to neutral territory or to the rebels, which then was a realistic option. Maybe they wanted to immigrate to Malta as well. They could've landed in the east as some others did.

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Will be interesting to see if the planes are turned back to Libya.

And also if Libya has enough AA to stop the bombings. I take it its fighter force is out of date and useless against modern european fighters/training/communication. It's interesting to think about what you would do if you were Gaddafi, i.e. what's the next move. Hide the AA from recon, and roll them back to strike when the air-to-ground planes arrive or similar.

Edited March 19, 2011 by Spokesperson

[spooky lynx 73]

Where have you been? Libya has gone beyond "a few dozen deaths".

O RLY? And where are proofs? Any videos, photos? Yes, there was some footage of blood and wounded people. But still there's no proofs of "thousands of massacred civilians murdered by crazy dictator".

Didn't several pilots defect/eject from their planes because they were ordered to attack unarmed protesters? I suppose that could be a media fabrication but I don't understand why they would defect now then and not before the war.

Unfortunately arabs aren't good warriors now, so ejecting because of some malfunction in plane systems (which can be solved by rather well trained pilot) are not something seldom happening among 3rd world armies. And some media reports claim that defected Mirages were french:rolleyes: BTW, has anybody photos of those planes in daylight or with clearly visible insignias?

[Spokesperson 0]

Would be surprising if they weren't Libyan.

They have destroyed 4 tanks already, it's a waste of tanks if they don't provide AA support. Why didn't they think of that?

[whisper 0]

Don't know the true reason behind the whole thing.

One thing I know : Kaddhafi is a proven terrorist (by his own admission seeing how he paid money to the families of the destroyed civilian planes). Saying "I don't fire" while sending 50+ people to hospital or cemetary in Benghazi (26 dead reported in this morning shelling of the city) is something he is perfectly capable of. You won't see me defending this guy.

[Spokesperson 0]

The cease fire was one sided so it was likely abandoned as rebels advanced towards government positions. It also seems like Gaddafi supporters in Benghazi took up arms against the rebels.

Sure Gaddafi is a terrorist, but so are Sarkozy, Obama and Bush.

[jw custom 56]

The cease fire was one sided so it was likely abandoned as rebels advanced towards government positions.

...or maybe it was al-qaeda Gaddafi was fighting near Benghazi lol

[Hans Ludwig 0]

Sure Gaddafi is a terrorist, but so are Sarkozy, Obama and Bush.

Ok, now you are just bat sh1t crazy. Get off the internet and go take your meds.

[spooky lynx 73]

It doesn't matter now, terrorist he or not. Now he fights with armed rebellion, which is a crime in all countries. I doubt that those french, british or US citizens who would act like libyan so called rebels will stay alive for more than a week or two.

[concurssi 11]

http://www.businessinsider.com/qaddafi-al-qaeda-2011-3

[Spokesperson 0]

They have launched 110 Tomahawks from the sea (hitting 20 targets). According to BBC a lot of civilians may have been killed.

[Daniel 0]

Source? The BBC report I heard quoted the Gaddafi government as claiming strikes had targeted a hospital for terminally ill patients. We'd be getting reports like that even if we'd fired all those tomahawks into the sea.

[Spokesperson 0]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12776418

How many of the tomahawks hit their targets? 110 rockets for 20 targets is a lot.

A french fighter might have been shot down.

We'd be getting reports like that even if we'd fired all those tomahawks into the sea.

Of course, but it's the same the other way around.

[jw custom 56]

How many of the tomahawks hit their targets? 110 rockets for 20 targets is a lot.

yeah maybe they placed the hospital very close to their anti air installations :j:

[Spokesperson 0]

Yes, so what? You can say that about the Gaddafi casualties too. Why is it ok when UK, US, Israel and other countries bomb thousands of civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, Pakistan?

[jw custom 56]

lol your arguments are funny :biggrin_o:

[maturin 12]

Lol, I just watched an interview where two separate interviewees slipped up.

"Iraqi... I mean Libyan forces..."

"What's the ultimate aim?"

"The removal of Sadda... Ghaddafi."

But all the hysterics of the anti-American kneejerks remind me of the Fox News demographics back home. There's not going to be an invasion, because believe it or not war is not always the objective of the West and any sane politician is desperate to avoid it.

[Spokesperson 0]

No, for some reason it's ok for western war planes to kill civilians without consequences while -alleged- Gaddafi kills makes Libya subject to invasion?

"No occupation" actually allows for ground forces.

[jw custom 56]

No, for some reason it's ok for western war planes to kill civilians without consequences while -alleged- Gaddafi kills makes Libya subject to invasion?

Yes... :j:

[maturin 12]

No, for some reason it's ok for western war planes to kill civilians without consequences while -alleged- Gaddafi kills makes Libya subject to invasion?

Well, ideally, the aerial bomb would never have been invented. I think humans should just never fight wars. We should make it illegal to break the law.

Such a complex view of the world you have.

And interesting that a month of civil war following the use of deadly force on non-violent protesters, with videos of bombs raining out of the sky, make Ghaddafi's killings 'alleged,' while there are no supports of civilian causalities from coalition forces so far, but you take those as a certainty.

Edited March 19, 2011 by maturin