IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover

[An-225 0]

Personally I think the graphics pretty much suck and not that much different from the original game. I mean what were they doing for the entire six years that they are creating this game?

Working on critical components, such as the FM?

I think that the graphics are far better than the original, what with the addition of self shadowing and bump mapping, and 3D trees instead of a texture with the illusion of depth. They are more than adequate for the purposes of flight simulation.

Also, Ilya has stated on numerous occasions that the PR shots were taken with low settings on a low-end PC.

[Tonci87 163]

The Graphics don´t really matter in a flight sim, well at least the airplanes should look good. Someone ever played F/A-18 Hornet?

[Hans Ludwig 0]

The Graphics don´t really matter in a flight sim,

You're joking, right?

[Tonci87 163]

Well of course hey matter somehow, but other things are way more impotant to me. If at least the planes and the interior are modelled in high quality everything is fine for me. Ground Texture isn´t that important.

[-)rStrangelove 0]

Someone ever played F/A-18 Hornet?

Yep. The ground was dark green and those grey lines down there were supposed to be roads.

Ah the memories. ;) took me ages to learn how to arm missiles lol.

[Tonci87 163]

And those little boxes on the ground were supposed to be Tanks and cars. Really a good game but took you ages to learn how to fly and use that Thing.

Does anyone know of a good Flight Sim without the need for a Joystick?

[whisper 0]

The Graphics don´t really matter in a flight sim, well at least the airplanes should look good. Someone ever played F/A-18 Hornet?

Some of the finest! At least, the best carrier based sim ever!

Going out of a tough mission, knowing you had this freaking orbit and approach still to do, then the proper landing on the metro ticket! It was keeping you on the edge until the very end. Awesome sim

And the ugliest one :D Yup, graphical look doesn't matter

[mrcash2009 0]

Working on critical components, such as the FM?

I think that the graphics are far better than the original, what with the addition of self shadowing and bump mapping, and 3D trees instead of a texture with the illusion of depth. They are more than adequate for the purposes of flight simulation.

Also, Ilya has stated on numerous occasions that the PR shots were taken with low settings on a low-end PC.

I agree, its not a leap forward into photorealism like the recent releases using IL's model, but I would imagine all that is under the hood of the sim itself needs to make balance with eye candy overhead. You could start dragging in all the sandbox system heavy v eye candy rail shooter examples but I wont.

this cockpit vid doesn't say ugly ...

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The only thing for me is the trailer and some of these videos either have overdubbed sound effects or muted audio, I WOULD be more disappointed to find the sim hasn't updated its sound engine model to that of something like WOP, now for me, that's something to have a complaint about.

Having said that from the videos you can tell its had some shading polish and other such things. Nothing I have seen has disappointed me (DRM aside for the moment). Although if your are expecting Wings Of Prey eye candy then yes I would imagine you would be annoyed at it.

That said, once your dog fighting and feeling the thing I would say that the eye candy just doesn't do it justice that its FM will.

Edited January 25, 2011 by mrcash2009

[Tonci87 163]

Some of the finest! At least, the best carrier based sim ever!

Going out of a tough mission, knowing you had this freaking orbit and approach still to do, then the proper landing on the metro ticket! It was keeping you on the edge until the very end. Awesome sim

And the ugliest one :D Yup, graphical look doesn't matter

Yep always the finger over the afterburner key while doing the landing. If anything goes wrong and you have to abort you need speed speed speed.

So coming back tp my previous question

Does anyone know a good fligh sim that doesn´t need a joystick? I would love to play a good flight sim again and mouse+keyboard always worked for me (well exept in Lock on where you can´t move the joystick with the mouse......)

[-)rStrangelove 0]

Does anyone know a good fligh sim that doesn´t need a joystick?

There's only ArmA / ArmA2 afaik. Although back then Rebel Assault wasnt too bad either with mouse. ;)

[Tonci87 163]

I don't understand it, why do fligh sim develppers have make their game to be Joystick exclusive? I mean, whats wrong with the mouse?

[whisper 0]

I don't understand it, why do fligh sim develppers have make their game to be Joystick exclusive? I mean, whats wrong with the mouse?

Not suited for "linear input" (ie, the farther away from center point, the harder the turn). "Center point" for a mouse is a very blurry concept :)

[Tonci87 163]

As far as I know it works perfectly (at least for me in some rare flight sims that allow it).

[whisper 0]

As far as I know, I hate how in A2, I need 2 square meters free on the desk for mouse movement while in flight ;)

And A2 doesn't require 1/10th of the precision of other simulations

[Tonci87 163]

Well I use the arrow keys for flying in arma. The Mouse is indeed to unresponsive. But for example in Lock on you can´t use the arrow keys....well you could theoretically but they are to unresponsive (doesn´t "pull" the joystick as far as it goes like in arma, but moves him sloooowly)

Does someone know if there is maybe a mod or something like that for Lock on that makes flying with Mouse+keyboard possible? I really don´t want to purchase a Joystick just for one game....

[whisper 0]

Well, honestly, the first time you do a good old air-refueling in an airsim, you see why a joystick is needed :)

You can purchase one for very cheap, if this is only for LOMAC

[CommanderYuri 10]

Nah, if you want one, get a good one. I am also more the keybord mouse pilot, but when a joystick, than a real one. My old Saitek cyborg 3D still works after some 10 years.

[Tonci87 163]

Can anyone say if DCS Black Shark is playable without a joystick? I would love to play a helicopter sim

[whisper 0]

forget it

[Tonci87 163]

Have you tried it?

[killaalf 0]

If you want to play sims, get a decent joystick or better yet a HOTAS, everything else is just an exercise in frustration.

[whisper 0]

I have DCS:BS, and the mouse is used for the clickable cockpit.

[Richey79 10]

Logitech Extreme 3D Pro is about the cheapest you can spend to have a reasonable experience in a flight sim. You can probably pick one up for about £25. Less than that is a bit of a bargain.

I remember buying the original IL2. I wasn't into flight sims at all back then and was determined to fly using keyboard and mouse. Without analogue input, I couldn't even get 2/3 of the planes to take off, let alone tail any enemies accurately enough to get into a position where I might be able to start killing anyone.

[jibemorel 10]

It's out now. Good flight

[rok 0]

CloD is currently unplayable on my old E4300@3GHz + HD4850 system. And reading the forums even high end systems struggle with it. The game needs couple of performance patches badly.

Some people said ARMA2 was released unfinished. IMO this is on totally different level of unfinishness. :butbut: