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[Sira 10]

There are also some more conspiracy theories eg: that the pyramides where build by aliens, the medieval age never happen and that the US government was behind the WTC attacks.

Its always good to see how conspiracy are designed and how many people believe in those theories without critical thinking. The psychology of human behaviour is interesting...

Well it appears to me there is actually a lot of critical thinking involved if a couple of thousand architects & engineers come forward, not to mention the military & intelligence officers and politicians who have gone on record.

http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news/41-articles/386-ae911truth-delivers-the-evidence-to-the-media-press-conference-national-press-club-wash-dc.html

Why did the pentagon buy and destroy those ten thousand copies of operation dark heart recently?

Able danger has some very unpleasant implications.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger

[Zipper5 74]

I simply find it very disrespectful to all of the friends, family members, or acquaintances of people who died on 9/11 for people like yourself to start and spread all these conspiracy theories claiming that their own government killed them.

Seriously now, what are you doing trying to prove your conspiracy theories to posters on a video game forum? I've never searched for them before, but I'm sure there are other forums more suited to your kind of discussions. You should use them instead.

[TomatoArden 0]

Well it appears to me there is actually a lot of critical thinking involved if a couple of thousand architects & engineers come forward, not to mention the military & intelligence officers and politicians who have gone on record.

http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news/41-articles/386-ae911truth-delivers-the-evidence-to-the-media-press-conference-national-press-club-wash-dc.html

Why did the pentagon buy and destroy those ten thousand copies of operation dark heart recently?

Able danger has some very unpleasant implications.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger

That architect for truth website is hardly a good resource and lacks any kind of peer reviewed work on the towers, whereas plenty of peer reviewed and backed work has been done on how the plane crashes resulted in all three of the buildings that collapsed to collapse. No published work exsists which hasn't been roundly discredited by the scientific community.

Why has not a single architect or civil engineering body come forward to say that the towers didnt collapse the way they did? All these top organisations would probably have come out or made some noise if they thought the evidnec pointed towards a demolition by explosives (WHICH IT DOESNT)

Where are these so called intelligence and millitary people who say it was an inside job, and what is their evidence?:confused:

That last thing the book has NOTHING to do with 9/11 attacks, it is about the Afghan war and the highly sensitive intelligence operations that took part over 6 year ago, they probably don't want a bunch of possibly compromising information to come out, or any embarrassment over anything which may have happened.

[Prydain 1]

Zeitgeist is for an American audience. Healthcare, prisons, inequality are not as sickeningly structured in other countries to produce profit. In Zeitgeist some of the points made are true but the conspiracy theory style in which the makers have put it together is a bit childish, as in using that style to draw in the already stupid to inject more stupidity into their brains.

Certain systems in America are broken but they are not broken because people (always being referred to as "they") conspired in an evil plot just for the purpose of being evil.

[h - 169]

Not that I care about this subject matter at all but

I simply find it very disrespectful to all of the friends, family members, or acquaintances of people who died on 9/11 for people like yourself to start and spread all these conspiracy theories claiming that their own government killed them.

I always hear this thing when it comes to this particlular contheory.

Could you please explain me how does the killers nationality/whatnot respect/disrespect someones relatives etc.?

That sounds like the relatives of those who died should feel very respected that their relatives died by the actions of some muslim extremist but very disrespected if someone claims they died via a government conspiracy..

:confused:

[TomatoArden 0]

ecause the people who claim that it was a government conspiracy are basing their opinion on flawed evidence and are normally deranged, and suggests that their own government and military did it to them, when it is so obvious a load of trollop that it was anything over than a bunch of extremists

[Zipper5 74]

I always hear this thing when it comes to this particlular contheory.

Could you please explain me how does the killers nationality/whatnot respect/disrespect someones relatives etc.?

Maybe I don't fully understand your point, but I was not referring to the perpetrators of the attack, nor their nationality, but rather the victims of the attack, and how those close to them would feel about people making all these ridiculous and unsupported accusations of what they think really happened to their loved ones, rather than what you've been told and come to grips/coped with over the past 9 years.

[Sira 10]

Maybe I don't fully understand your point, but I was not referring to the perpetrators of the attack, nor their nationality, but rather the victims of the attack, and how those close to them would feel about people making all these ridiculous and unsupported accusations of what they think really happened to their loved ones, rather than what you've been told and come to grips/coped with over the past 9 years.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3865048042993700360#

(9/11 Press For Truth - Victims' Families Tell the Story the Media Won't)

That architect for truth website is hardly a good resource and lacks any kind of peer reviewed work on the towers, whereas plenty of peer reviewed and backed work has been done on how the plane crashes resulted in all three of the buildings that collapsed to collapse. No published work exsists which hasn't been roundly discredited by the scientific community.

Why has not a single architect or civil engineering body come forward to say that the towers didnt collapse the way they did? All these top organisations would probably have come out or made some noise if they thought the evidnec pointed towards a demolition by explosives (WHICH IT DOESNT).

You obviously did not even bother to review the facts presented.

The actual opposite of what you claim is the case.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/

http://www.springerlink.com/content/f67q6272583h86n4/

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html

This video was received from NIST under the Freedom of Information Act.

Where are these so called intelligence and millitary people who say it was an inside job, and what is their evidence?:confused:.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/144872-Former-Italian-President-9-11-Carried-Out-By-Mossad-And-CIA-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_von_B%C3%BClow

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

http://io911truth.com (Intelligence Officers for 9/11 Truth >side is down atm)

http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreport

http://pl911truth.com/ (Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth)

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/

http://www.st911.org/ (Scholars for 9/11 Truth)

http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/

http://www.v911t.org/ (Veterans for 911 Truth)

http://www.physics911.net/index

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._Bowman

That last thing the book has NOTHING to do with 9/11 attacks, it is about the Afghan war and the highly sensitive intelligence operations that took part over 6 year ago, they probably don't want a bunch of possibly compromising information to come out, or any embarrassment over anything which may have happened.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/sep/27/911-cover-up/

(At this meeting, Mr. Shaffer says he told the commissioner that Sept. 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta had been identified before the attacks by the Special Operation Command's "Able Danger" program.

The DIA has long tried to squelch this discussion. On Sept. 21, 2005, Attorney Mark Zaid - representing Mr. Shaffer and others who worked on Able Danger but were ordered not to discuss it - testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee on this and other matters.)

"NOTHING", yeah right....

The thing is, for all the questions ask and all the allegations made here, a simple scroogle search will turn up plenty of reading material, but it appears some people actually don't want to know and stick to their opinion without considering the other side of the argument - that is called ignorance.

Most people have never even heard about building 7 collapsing the same day.

Though I understand, cognitive dissonance can be a real bummer.

I could post plenty of more but I'm gone stop now, as some people already pointed out, there is no point arguing over the interweb.

All I can say is "make up your own minds and don't believe anything without evidence".

Edited October 7, 2010 by Sira

[TomatoArden 0]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3865048042993700360#

(9/11 Press For Truth - Victims' Families Tell the Story the Media Won't)

You obviously did not even bother to review the facts presented.

The actual opposite of what you claim is the case.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/ Not a peer reviewed journal, just a piss poor website

http://www.springerlink.com/content/f67q6272583h86n4/Only one Ive found. The man who co authered this paper "steven E jones' is a nuter who also believes in Weather Machines and that they actually exsist. there goes his credibility.

LOOK at some of the crazy shit this guys had published http://space.crono911.net/EBook/805_Jones_Jesus.pdf

the his paper wasnt published in any journals relating to the field or any which are well respected in the scientific community in way that anybody would bother to peer review them

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html

I have reviewed them. The so called 'energetic residues' are iron spheres which have a bunch of possible sources including paint.

This video was received from NIST under the Freedom of Information Act.

The term 'explosion' does not mean bomb. 'explosion' noises are head in a Lot of natural disasters where no explosives where involved. Often you hear people describing explosion noises when part of a building collapses with an earthquake or a bit of abridge or something collapses. No evidence of explosives here.In other quotes firemen say they heard the sounds of what they thought where electrical transformers blowing

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/144872-Former-Italian-President-9-11-Carried-Out-By-Mossad-And-CIA- this guy is evidently a massive prick to suggest that mossad did it, i see he doesnt back up his bs with any facts here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_von_B%C3%BClow

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

http://io911truth.com (Intelligence Officers for 9/11 Truth >side is down atm)

http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreport

http://pl911truth.com/ (Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth)

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/

http://www.st911.org/ (Scholars for 9/11 Truth)

http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/

http://www.v911t.org/ (Veterans for 911 Truth)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._Bowman

great, a bunch of flashy sites which provide little in the way of evidence or facts, just a load of hotch potch speculation. im pretty sure the The American Society of Civil Engineers are more likely to be correct than the AE for truth people.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/sep/27/911-cover-up/

(At this meeting, Mr. Shaffer says he told the commissioner that Sept. 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta had been identified before the attacks by the Special Operation Command's "Able Danger" program.

The DIA has long tried to squelch this discussion. On Sept. 21, 2005, Attorney Mark Zaid - representing Mr. Shaffer and others who worked on Able Danger but were ordered not to discuss it - testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee on this and other matters.)

"NOTHING", yeah right....

The thing is, for all the questions ask and all the allegations made here, a simple scroogle search will turn up plenty of reading material, but it appears some people actually don't want to know and stick to their opinion without considering the other side of the argument - that is called ignorance.

Most people have never even heard about building 7 collapsing the same day.

Though I understand, cognitive dissonance can be a real bummer.

I could post plenty of more but I'm gone stop now, as some people already pointed out, there is no point arguing over the interweb.

All I can say is "make up your own minds and don't believe anything without evidence".

Hmm maybe it did have something related to 9/11 in it, but nevertheless less many media sources have seen the un edited version and found nothing that even suggests the government planned 9/11. i don't see how this book in any way points towards a conspiracy theory

[Zipper5 74]

Lol, I did not post those last two quotes, Sira. :rolleyes:

[TomatoArden 0]

yeah, those where mine. never mind. at least its only someone with 9 post who believes this shit :)

[NoRailgunner 0]

Well Sira, you can find many interwebs links to cement your brain with any conspiracy or strange theories. Maybe the following link can help you a bit out of this mess: http://www.debunking911.com/

[TomatoArden 0]

Yes that last link is very good, and it links to a lot of peer reviewed stuff which the author used to backup his debunking.

The page on how it would be a massive conspiracy is a good read too:

http://www.debunking911.com/massivect.htm

[Baff1 0]

Anybody who needs to peer review 9/11 needs their head examined.

This is how it works with overanalysis.

The closer you look at something you are already looking at too closely....

The stupider you become.

Edited October 8, 2010 by Baff1

[st_dux 26]

Lol Sira, those links are great. Thank you for bringing some proper conspiracy theorist nuttery to this thread; it's always entertaining.

[h - 169]

Maybe I don't fully understand your point

I guess you did, I wasn't referring to the perps either, just wondering how claiming "teh govanmant dunnit" somehow disrespects the families of the victims..

I mean the contheories I know of don't accuse the victims of anything which I could understand being disrespecting if they did (and would surely personally take offense if I was one of them) but I just don't get how a conspiracy theory disrespects anybody. Well except those who show the fails in those theories and get called liars and whatnot..

[TomatoArden 0]

Lol Sira, those links are great. Thank you for bringing some proper conspiracy theorist nuttery to this thread; it's always entertaining.

indeed, like the anti Semitic Italian former president and the scientist who also believes in weather machines and says he has evidence that Jesus came to America..wtf

[mrcash2009 0]

indeed, like the anti Semitic Italian former president and the scientist who also believes in weather machines and says he has evidence that Jesus came to America..wtf

Wilhelm Riech (Orgone Energy)

interesting stuff indeed , Nichola Tesla, HAARP .. check them all out, weather manipulation via tech isnt some nutjob fantasy for anti-Semitic nutjobs jesus love you types ... its actual a viable tech Its not all pie in the sky (pun intended :o ) conspiracy to change weather patterns, well, it is if everyone's a nutter I suppose.

Cant say as this threads subject is all that, I dont disagree with alot of things but Zeitgeist "movement" as they say is a little underhanded with its angles.

Edited October 10, 2010 by mrcash2009

[TomatoArden 0]

Wilhelm Riech (Orgone Energy)

interesting stuff indeed , Nichola Tesla, HAARP .. check them all out, weather manipulation via tech isnt some nutjob fantasy for anti-Semitic nutjobs jesus love you types ... its actual a viable tech Its not all pie in the sky (pun intended :o ) conspiracy to change weather patterns, well, it is if everyone's a nutter I suppose.

Cant say as this threads subject is all that, I dont disagree with alot of things but Zeitgeist "movement" as they say is a little underhanded with its angles.

I understand its entirely possible we will be able to sometime in the future, but the guy (Steven e Jones) I was referring to thinks the US government already has them and is using them to manipulate the weather

[mrcash2009 0]

Steven e Jones ... that's Mr Thermite isn't it?

I understand its entirely possible we will be able to sometime in the future

I was referring to thinks the US government already has them and is using them to manipulate the weather

So as long as you dont think its now your not mad, but as long as you know its feasible and for a later date then your ok? Or is that not half mad? :) Edited October 11, 2010 by mrcash2009

[TomatoArden 0]

Steven e Jones ... that's Mr Thermite isn't it?

So as long as you dont think its now your not mad, but as long as you know its feasible and for a later date then your ok? Or is that not half mad? :)

yeah, he wrote the paper that claims remains of thermite was found..which makes no sense. thermite isn't even an explosive, let alone used for demolition. In any case the 'residue' are iron spheres which you also get in other things like err paint

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

Answer this question: how hard is to for the country's Top Bank CEOs get the Congress to Pass a regulation-easing bill on the industry post 9/11. Then pump the MSM with the American Dream, sell the loans to millions of Americans, who have absolutely no ability to repay the loan, or even service the interest on the debt, to get mortgages for their homes first and foremost, then consumer credit; the law authorizes the banks to leverage 50 to 1 of existing deposits/equity held.

Wrap those mortgages/debt via MERS - Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems, rate them triple A with MOODY's, S&P or Fitch and sell them to other banks, then those banks sell to international investors, including governments. Have this ponzi running for 5 years and you will have any nation on it's knees, provided you do it on this scale.

Second question: was there an ulterior motive, despite the creation of a $54 Trillion Derivative market?

That's the whole 'conspiracy'. See you in 2011.

[TomatoArden 0]

Answer this question: how hard is to for the country's Top Bank CEOs get the Congress to Pass a regulation-easing bill on the industry post 9/11. Then pump the MSM with the American Dream, sell the loans to millions of Americans, who have absolutely no ability to repay the loan, or even service the interest on the debt, to get mortgages for their homes first and foremost, then consumer credit; the law authorizes the banks to leverage 50 to 1 of existing deposits/equity held.

Wrap those mortgages/debt via MERS - Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems, rate them triple A with MOODY's, S&P or Fitch and sell them to other banks, then those banks sell to international investors, including governments. Have this ponzi running for 5 years and you will have any nation on it's knees, provided you do it on this scale.

Second question: was there an ulterior motive, despite the creation of a $54 Trillion Derivative market?

That's the whole 'conspiracy'. See you in 2011.

What the hell are you on about? what does this have to do with 9/11?

[Baff1 0]

Answer this question: how hard is to for the country's Top Bank CEOs get the Congress to Pass a regulation-easing bill on the industry post 9/11. Then pump the MSM with the American Dream, sell the loans to millions of Americans, who have absolutely no ability to repay the loan, or even service the interest on the debt, to get mortgages for their homes first and foremost, then consumer credit; .

.

The answer is, it's not hard at all.

The hard part, the impossible part, was for banks to operate in profitcbale America without making those loans.

Unfortunately Clinton passed a law forcing them to do so against their wishes.

Don't you remember?

They didn't petition government for it, they petitioned government against it.

You talk like you think this was something that benefitted banks in some way rather than the root cause of their collapse.

Edited October 14, 2010 by Baff1

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

I'm not seeing their, the banks' collapse, today on the 14th of Nov, 2010 I see the continuing devaluation of the US Dollar and GLD sky-rocketing.

I mentioned 9/11 as a simple date because that was the period when interest rates were hacked almost to ZERO.

The deregulation of the industry has been going on since Reagan and it doesn't fucking matter which Admin passed certain laws - all of them supported it, so does MAObama.

There's movement in the FX market as of yesterday, big movement, China-like which tells you that the risks have increased, while the Treasury interest rates aren't keeping up with them. All the major foreign players will be speculating the Dollah if it hits a certain bottom.

You might even see the collapse of the currency before the stock markets LOL.

You're witnessing a great country being destroyed from within for the reasons you can't seem to comprehend.

P.S. On second thought: you can't have collapse of the $ without bond market going tits up first and on the same day you'll see all stock markets lose 30% of their current indexes at the very least, unless the gov'ment makes it a Holiday. :icon_rolleyes:

Edited October 14, 2010 by Iroquois Pliskin