Riot shotgun

[Longinius 1]

Can someone explain to me what a riot shotgun and / or shotgun riot rounds are? (hey wobble )

[FallenPaladin 0]

Maybe it`s one of these shotguns that shoot rubber or plastic sludges

[theavonlady 2]

You would riot too if someone fired one in your direction.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/12-gauge.htm

[Major Fubar 0]

There are many "riot" rounds available in 12 gauge: rubber baton, multiple rubber balls, beanbag, CS gas...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ALS makes and markets four types of 12-gauge "behavior modification rounds". Designed to bring about a rapid behavior response from an aggressor these specialty rounds are less-than-lethal when used as designed. While each of the four rounds has it's own unique load, all were conceived with one end in mind. That end being the end of violence and aggression by one or more hostile persons. These less-than-lethal rounds are for special occasions when chemicals would be impractical, and hands-on combat is not yet desired.

The Power Punch may be a familiar concept to many readers. A .410 grain nylon shot-filled bag is the main projectile. Two items that set this round apart from other "bean-bag" ammunition are the use of the nylon bag, not cotton like many others, and a drop-off carrier which surrounds the bag until it exits the shot-gun barrel. ALS supplied me with two types of Power Punch ammo, a standard 2 3/4" shell, and the less common 2 1/2" shell. In the 2 3/4" plastic sabot protects the bag as it travels down the tube at an average of 191.4 FPS (same Pro Chrono ).

The 2 1/2" shell was specifically produced at the request of a California law enforcement agency. In the smaller shell, having less room to work with, the sabot is replaced by a small piece of plastic wrapped around the nylon bag. All of the recovered nylon bags that I inspected showed little sign of wear, even the one I fired into a steel silhouette at seven yards. It did not break. David admitted to me that during factory testing for the Power Punch they will re-use the nylon bags three or more times before having to discard them.

The Tri-Dent packs three .27 caliber rubber balls fired at speeds which I recorded at 432.6 FPS average. The obvious intention of the Tri-Dent is to up the odds of a successful hit on one or more subjects. A magazine tube full of Tri-Dent ammo fired in rapid succession would be sure to gain the attention of a rock-throwing mob.

The next round is dubbed the Hornet's Nest. Ouch! The catalog description implies that the round will produce a stinging effect. The 21 .30 caliber rubber pellets cooked across the Chronograph at an average of 469.6 FPS! Again, a tube-full of Hornet's Nest rounds applied as needed will surely gain the cooperation of even the most belligerent rioters or inmates.

All of the ALS less-than-lethal munitions are powered by a non-corrosive smokeless commercial powder. Being designed for behavioral modifications, not killing, the rounds are relatively low powered. Translation: They do not generate enough burning gas or recoil to reliably recycle a semi-automatic shot gun. Pump action or breech loaded shot guns are strongly recommended. Felt recoil from my Mossberg 500 shot gun was negligible just enough to let you know the round went off. Noise was moderate, certainly nothing compared to 00 buckshot or a slug. All 2 1/2 & 2 3/4" shells fed and cycled reliably through the Mossberg. I would expect no less.

It was obvious by the end of my range session that Dave Alvirez and ALS are concerned with their product quality control. Chronographing showed that all rounds were loaded with care. The 2 1/2" Power Punch rounds gave only a 3 FPS various! The largest variance came from the Hornet's Nest rounds, and that was a mere 29 FPS. Remember, we are talking about rubber projectiles, not match grade rifle ammo. This is none too shabby.

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[FallenPaladin 0]

How do you get your flags to weave? I have another moving-flag-gif, but if I put it into my signature, it doesn`t weave...

[Damage Inc 0]

You have to be 1337.

[FallenPaladin 0]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

That`s mean...

[Major Fubar 0]

It has to be an animated gif, like so:

I'm not sure why it wouldn't wave when it's in your signature...

[USSoldier11B 0]

A riot shot gun genrally has a shorter barrel and a higher magazine capacity than a conventional shotgun. It will generally be lighter and have a shorter length of pull or sometimes no stock at all. A competition or hunting shootgun will often have rail sights, while a riot shotgun will have tactical ghost ring sights, often with tritium inserts. Many of the newer tactical shotguns are semi-auto. I prefer a pump-action because semi-autos have problems cycling less-than-lethal ammo. Although Benelli does make a gun that can switch back and forth from semi to pump. Tactical Benelli's tend to be pricey around $1,000 U.S. While Remington and Mossburg make a much cheaper gun that can be modified easier. Benelli does make a cheap tactical gun, around $400 U.S. called the Nova special purpose. This is what I own. Most tactical shotgun will have about an 18 to 18 1/2 inch barrel. Any shorter in the U.S. and you havbe to purchase a special tax stamp and register it with the BATF.

As for riot ammo, there is a multitude of options.

Standard: OO Buck Shot, 3 1/2 Mag Slug

High Lethality: Hollow slug, shrapnel type

Less-than-Lethal: rubber slug, rubber ball, rubber pellet, OC, CS, bean bag.

Specialty: Flechette, Incindiary.

If someone has though of it, the have probably made it.

[scout 0]

dont like shotguns

Merphy's law says that when ull have one u'll need somthing else altogether

[Renagade 0]

Thats why u have an m16 clipped onto the top of one

[Wobble 1]

all it takes to really call it a "riot" shotgun is usually it holding up to 9 rounds and having a short barrel and folding stock.. as for the "rounds".. hm.. beanbags comes to mind for the most part

of course if you have a riot of hippies the beanbags would be usless.. you would hit one hippy and then 5 more would show up and play with the beanbag.

[USSoldier11B 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">of course if you have a riot of hippies the beanbags would be usless.. you would hit one hippy and then 5 more would show up and play with the beanbag.

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gwahahahaha!

Shotgun is hands down most effective CQB weapon. Unless you are clearing a room that has hostages.

[scout 0]

"all hostages to the right, all bad guys to the left, quickly please, we want to end it fast guys, i have an OFP tournment in half an hour, so im in a hurry!"

BTW. the shotgun has solid slug bullets, for "helping" doors to open. quite effective!

[USSoldier11B 0]

Yes, shotgun is excellent for door breaching.

[Renagade 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ April 17 2002,05:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">of course if you have a riot of hippies the beanbags would be usless.. you would hit one hippy and then 5 more would show up and play with the beanbag.

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gwahahahaha!

Shotgun is hands down most effective CQB weapon. Unless you are clearing a room that has hostages.<span id='postcolor'>

I thought that was a hand grenade or suicide bomber

[Frizbee 0]

The American SWAT teams call the SPAZ 12 gauge a:

12 Gauge, Pump Action Crowd Controller.

[Major Fubar 0]

This is probably my personal favourite:

Used to love using shotguns in Rogue Spear, in a way it's a shame the long ranges of OFP make shotguns barely useful.

[Aculaud 0]

Benelli makes a good shotgun. I'd take any one of these for close quarters battle.

[USSoldier11B 0]

Yes, I own the top one as I said before. That is the Nova Pump Special Purpose.

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ April 17 2002,11:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A riot shot gun genrally has a shorter barrel and a higher magazine capacity than a conventional shotgun. It will generally be lighter and have a shorter length of pull or sometimes no stock at all. A competition or hunting shootgun will often have rail sights, while a riot shotgun will have tactical ghost ring sights, often with tritium inserts. Many of the newer tactical shotguns are semi-auto. I prefer a pump-action because semi-autos have problems cycling less-than-lethal ammo. Although Benelli does make a gun that can switch back and forth from semi to pump. Tactical Benelli's tend to be pricey around $1,000 U.S. While Remington and Mossburg make a much cheaper gun that can be modified easier. Benelli does make a cheap tactical gun, around $400 U.S. called the Nova special purpose. This is what I own. Most tactical shotgun will have about an 18 to 18 1/2 inch barrel. Any shorter in the U.S. and you havbe to purchase a special tax stamp and register it with the BATF.

As for riot ammo, there is a multitude of options.

Standard: OO Buck Shot, 3 1/2 Mag Slug

High Lethality: Hollow slug, shrapnel type

Less-than-Lethal: rubber slug, rubber ball, rubber pellet, OC, CS, bean bag.

Specialty: Flechette, Incindiary.

If someone has though of it, the have probably made it.<span id='postcolor'>

The other Benelli you are referring to is the Benelli Super 90 M3 -- I have one. Mine has a pistol grip, an extended magazine tube, and a sidesaddle shell holder, which brings the capacity to 8+6 rounds with 2 3/4" shells. The only thing I wish I had but don't are ghost-ring sights.

The M3 has a selector ring at the front of the foregrip that can be manipulated with the thumb of the supporting hand, and which instantly switches from semi-auto to manual mode. Switching to manual/pump mode allows the use of low-recoil specialty rounds, and it also simplifies malfunction clearances.

Benelli's are well-known for their reliability and speedy cycling, courtesy of their inertial recoil operation. The M4 that was mentioned has been adopted by the US military as their new combat shotgun, and unlike other Benelli models, it is gas-operated.

[Mister Frag 0]

Fun things to do with your Benelli:

http://www.tomknapp.net/video/capture.wmv

Tom Knapp holds a World Record for throwing nine clay pigeons into the air at once and shooting each of them individually before they hit the ground.