Yet another environment sounds problem...

[rocket 9]

I've tried the methods that Snake_Man and spirit have raised and discussed - yet I am unable to alter the forest sounds for my map. I wanted to change some of the bird sounds to ones local to the area my map is based.

I tried having it in the main config, and also nested inside CfgWorlds. Here is what I have:

			class Forest {
			name = $STR_DN_WIND;
			//sound[] = {"ca\sounds\Ambient\forest\forest-day-2", 0.0398107, 1};
			sound[] = {"usec_aoraki\sounds\forest-sfx-nz-tui-1", 0.0398107, 1};
			volume = "forest";
			randSamp11[] = {"usec_aoraki\sounds\forest-sfx-nz-tui-1", 0.1, 1, 30, 0.14, 5, 8, 10}; //
			randSamp10[] = {"ca\sounds\Ambient\forest\forest-sfx-12datel", 0.1, 30, 0.125, 10, 20, 40};
			randSamp0[] = {"usec_aoraki\sounds\forest-sfx-nz-fantail-1", 0.125893, 1, 30, 0.13, 4, 8, 12}; //
			randSamp1[] = {"usec_aoraki\sounds\forest-sfx-nz-tui-2", 0.125893, 1, 30, 0.125, 4, 8, 12}; //
			randSamp2[] = {"usec_aoraki\sounds\forest-sfx-nz-tui-3", 0.125893, 1, 30, 0.125, 4, 8, 12}; //
			randSamp3[] = {"usec_aoraki\sounds\forest-sfx-nz-tui-4", 0.125893, 1, 30, 0.1, 4, 8, 12}; //
			randSamp8[] = {"ca\sounds\Ambient\forest\forest-sfx-10bird-flapping", 0.1, 1, 30, 0.04, 10, 20, 40};
			randSamp9[] = {"ca\sounds\Ambient\forest\forest-sfx-11holub-flapping", 0.1, 1, 30, 0.04, 10, 20, 40};
			randSamp4[] = {"usec_aoraki\sounds\forest-sfx-nz-cicada-1", 0.1, 1, 30, 0.025, 4, 8, 10};
			randSamp5[] = {"ca\sounds\Ambient\forest\forest-sfx-2", 0.1, 1, 30, 0.025, 4, 8, 10};
			randSamp6[] = {"ca\sounds\Ambient\forest\forest-sfx-3", 0.1, 1, 30, 0.025, 4, 8, 10};
			randSamp7[] = {"ca\sounds\Ambient\forest\forest-sfx-4", 0.1, 1, 30, 0.025, 4, 8, 10};
			random[] = {"randSamp11", "randSamp10", "randSamp0", "randSamp1", "randSamp2", "randSamp3", "randSamp8", "randSamp9", "randSamp4", "randSamp5", "randSamp6", "randSamp7"};
		};

My land type definition is:

	class usec_Forest : Default {
	access = ReadOnly;
	files = "usec_forest_*";
	rough = 0.2;
	dust = 0.15;
	soundEnviron = "forest";
	character = "USEC_ForestClutter";
	soundHit = "soft_ground";
};

Has anyone had any luck altering the sounds that are played within the forest?

[spirit6 51]

Just my noobish words here but there is a difference between surface sounds and environment sounds. Teh above defines the environment sounds for example when it encounters forest (it sees object tree a couple of times). The other is a reference to a sound surface declaration and for that cannot point to a world environment sound declaration.

Not sure if that is true, but that is how i always saw it. So my question here is:

- Are you trying to get your own sounds for the surfaces (you walk, run, crouch on that surface)

- are you trying to get your own environments sounds like birds, wind in trees etc etc

Or something totaly different?

[ANZACSAS Steven 396]

@Rocket,

Try this,

e.g

was

randSamp11[] = {"usec_aoraki\

should usually be like this,

randSamp11[] = {"\usec_aoraki\

missing one of these "\" maybe?

[mondkalb 1087]

After endless hours of work I figured the parameters for Random Environmentsounds out.

RandSamp0[] = {SOUNDFILE, VOLUME, PITCH, PROBABILLITY, ??, Min DELAY, Mid DELAY, Max DELAY}
RandSamp0[] = {"MBG_Nam_C\ambient\MACAW01",6,1,90,0.07,4,8,12};

Though apparently only the first two random sounds appear to work. Still figuring that out.

Edit:

Most of the sounds defined in the Random[] Array do not play at all.

So far the only sound that plays completely is the first entry of Random Array. If I alter the file of the first entry,that new sound will play as well.

Resulting out of my frustrating attempts of getting all the sounds to work properly, I discovered, that:

• The first entry of Random[] will play completely without any problems.
  
• The second entry of Random[] will play for 0.4 seconds, and then end abruptly.
  
• Any further entries of Random[] will not play at all.

Has anyone any idea why this happens?

Edited October 16, 2010 by Mondkalb

[ANZACSAS Steven 396]

Of what i have seen the sound params always run with a distance setting now in Arma2.

So you are leaving a param out of the array right in the place you are having problems .

Try this theory-

RandSamp0[] = {SOUNDFILE, VOLUME, PITCH,DISTANCE , PROBABILLITY, Min DELAY, Mid DELAY, Max DELAY}

RandSamp0[] = {"MBG_Nam_C\ambient\MACAW01",6,1,90,0.07,4,8,12};

Once we add the distance param the other params look as if they make more sense considering what your problems are.

Hope it helps.

[mondkalb 1087]

That did it! Thank you very much!

[CarlGustaffa 4]

Although I'm struggling like hell myself with some volumes in my own ambience mod, I've found that random samples works best if the ambient sample is 22050Hz Mono, containing a dummy sample. So with that in mind I have separated all random samples from their ambient samples. You could try that and see if it helps.

I'm not sure if there is a limit to how long the random samples can be, but when I split things up into several new classes, my problem of samples not completing seemed to go away.

Examples:

Ambiance sound only, for forest:

class Forest {
sound[] = {
	"\BiB_Ambience\AmbientSounds\Forest_Day",
	0.039811,
	1
};
volume = "forest*(1-night)";
};
class ForestNight {
sound[] = {
	"\BiB_Ambience\AmbientSounds\Forest_Night",
	0.056234,
	1
};
volume = "forest*night";
};
//Note how there are no random samples in this one, only the ambience

Wind tree effects, split into several new classes

class SFX_ForestWindLow {
sound[] = {
	"\BiB_Ambience\NoSound",
	0.156234,
	1
};
volume = "0.15*forest*(windy factor[0.2,0.5])";
randSamp1[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeWind01",
	0.010000,
	1,
	50,
	0.025000,
	8,
	15,
	20
};
randSamp2[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeWind02",
	0.010000,
	1,
	50,
	0.025000,
	8,
	15,
	20
};
randSamp3[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeWind03",
	0.010000,
	1,
	50,
	0.025000,
	8,
	15,
	20
};
randSamp4[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeWind04",
	0.010000,
	1,
	50,
	0.025000,
	8,
	15,
	20
};
randSamp5[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeWind05",
	0.010000,
	1,
	50,
	0.025000,
	8,
	15,
	20
};
random[] = {
	"randSamp1",
	"randSamp2",
	"randSamp3",
	"randSamp4",
	"randSamp5",
};
};
class SFX_ForestWindMed {
sound[] = {
	"\BiB_Ambience\NoSound",
	0.156234,
	1
};
volume = "0.17*forest*(windy factor[0.3,0.6])";
randSamp1[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeWind06",
	0.012000,
	1,
	50,
	0.150000,
	4,
	10,
	15
};
randSamp2[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeWind07",
	0.012000,
	1,
	50,
	0.150000,
	4,
	10,
	15
};
randSamp3[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeWind08",
	0.012000,
	1,
	50,
	0.150000,
	4,
	10,
	15
};
randSamp4[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeWind09",
	0.012000,
	1,
	50,
	0.150000,
	4,
	10,
	15
};
randSamp5[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeWind10",
	0.012000,
	1,
	50,
	0.150000,
	4,
	10,
	15
};
random[] = {
	"randSamp1",
	"randSamp2",
	"randSamp3",
	"randSamp4",
	"randSamp5",
};
};
class SFX_ForestWindHigh {
sound[] = {
	"\BiB_Ambience\NoSound",
	0.156234,
	1
};
volume = "0.20*forest*(windy factor[0.4,0.7])";
randSamp1[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeWind11",
	0.014000,
	1,
	50,
	0.200000,
	4,
	6,
	8
};
randSamp2[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeWind12",
	0.014000,
	1,
	50,
	0.200000,
	4,
	6,
	8
};
randSamp3[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeWind13",
	0.014000,
	1,
	50,
	0.200000,
	4,
	6,
	8
};
randSamp4[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeWind14",
	0.014000,
	1,
	50,
	0.200000,
	4,
	6,
	8
};
randSamp5[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeWind15",
	0.014000,
	1,
	50,
	0.200000,
	4,
	6,
	8
};
random[] = {
	"randSamp1",
	"randSamp2",
	"randSamp3",
	"randSamp4",
	"randSamp5",
};
};
class SFX_ForestCreekLow {
sound[] = {
	"\BiB_Ambience\NoSound",
	1.056234,
	1
};
volume = "0.5*forest*(windy factor[0.5,0.75])";
randSamp1[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeCreek01",
	0.160000,
	1,
	50,
	0.100000,
	8,
	15,
	20
};
randSamp2[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeCreek02",
	0.160000,
	1,
	50,
	0.100000,
	8,
	15,
	20
};
randSamp3[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeCreek03",
	0.160000,
	1,
	50,
	0.100000,
	8,
	15,
	20
};
randSamp4[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeCreek04",
	0.160000,
	1,
	50,
	0.100000,
	8,
	15,
	20
};
randSamp5[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeCreek05",
	0.160000,
	1,
	50,
	0.100000,
	8,
	15,
	20
};
random[] = {
	"randSamp1",
	"randSamp2",
	"randSamp3",
	"randSamp4",
	"randSamp5",
};
};
class SFX_ForestCreekHigh {
sound[] = {
	"\BiB_Ambience\NoSound",
	1.056234,
	1
};
volume = "0.8*forest*(windy factor[0.6,0.85])";
randSamp1[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeCreek06",
	0.180000,
	1,
	50,
	0.150000,
	4,
	6,
	12
};
randSamp2[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeCreek07",
	0.180000,
	1,
	50,
	0.150000,
	4,
	6,
	12
};
randSamp3[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeCreek08",
	0.180000,
	1,
	50,
	0.150000,
	4,
	6,
	12
};
randSamp4[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeCreek09",
	0.180000,
	1,
	50,
	0.150000,
	4,
	6,
	12
};
randSamp5[] = {
	"BiB_Ambience\SFX-Forest\TreeCreek10",
	0.180000,
	1,
	50,
	0.150000,
	4,
	6,
	12
};
random[] = {
	"randSamp1",
	"randSamp2",
	"randSamp3",
	"randSamp4",
	"randSamp5",
};
};
//Note the use of NoSound in the the ambience part.

A woodpecker, only a couple of samples so can get away with only one class:

class BiB_SFX_Woodpecker {
sound[] = {
	"\BiB_Ambience\NoSound",
	0.477828,
	1
};
volume = "0.1*(forest)*(1-houses)*(hills factor[0.1,0.0])";
sing1[] = {
	"\BiB_Ambience\SFX-Animals\WoodPecker01",
	0.017783,
	1,
	65,
	0.100000,
	15,
	60,
	240
};
sing2[] = {
	"\BiB_Ambience\SFX-Animals\WoodPecker02",
	0.017783,
	1,
	65,
	0.100000,
	15,
	60,
	240
};
random[] = {
	"sing1",
	"sing2"
};
};
//Again, NoSound as ambient.

All these are different files, which I then #include under whatever island I want them to be. I.e. I have sand, hills, lake (sea) and goose that are unique to Takistan/Zargabad. And forestanimals, frogs, mammals, sea (sea) and seagulls that are unique to Chernarus/Utes.

By splitting it up like this you allow yourself to have different animals follow different "rules". I.e. you can have a nightingale that only sings at night, goats only up in the mountain, birds that shuts up if it rains or is too windy etc. Makes the whole "ambient sound" experience a LOT more dynamic.

Oh, and be very careful what you put into the ambiance sounds. I.e. trying to put the sounds of a "living city" (easy to mix up) and base it on the (houses) parameter tend to no work well, because houses kick in for a lot more than you'd expect (myself and I guess every other sound modder out there have tried). Best to follow the BIS mindset on this one and stick with winds.

I would really Really REALLY REALLY like to see the BIS "rulebook" when it comes to sounds, how it's all connected and how things "work". I also wish we had diag_toggle available in editor mode, because this is a neverending frustrating nightmare. :eek:

What I have said is based on my current understanding and endless guesswork, it may be completely wrong.