Planes! do we really need them that much?

[Mask 0]

Hey guys! Recently I've been thinking about planes and have came up with few questions that were bothering me. Planes! Do we really need them and what can we do about it? Do we use them that much and r they so important? If im not mistaking there were only two missions where u had to fly the plane. What i don't like is that there no planes that could transport men, that way it would be cool to make paratroopers instead of jumping from the UH-60 or Chinook. And also when creating ur own missions, its kinda dumb!

So got any answers, i'll be also glad to hear ur ideas and suggestions about it! Well, till next time!

[Antichrist 0]

Planes are cool!!!

And u can make some really good missions with them!

[madmike 0]

Well they look good for dressing up the airports and are good to call in for airstrike missions.

We really do need a transport plane though becasue its so stupid to have to parachute from a heli ATM

[Mask 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We really do need a transport plane though becasue its so stupid to have to parachute from a heli ATM<span id='postcolor'>

Well thats what i've been saying. And about air support- chopers r much better in my opinion!

[Mask 0]

Yes I defenetly think that chopers r way better than planes in air support and ground attacks, as to rescuing troops and providing support for them. U wouldn't be able to do the same with a plane, if only it was a cargo plane, that u could land; get in and fly away! Also it's much easier to control the choper then a plane

[shadow 6]

IMO the planes/jets are great for making a nice atmosphere. When you're a lone downed west-pilot behind enemy lines. You board a vehicle and a Frogfoot passes by.....you don't feel alone at all

[PanzerGrenadier2 0]

How many choppers do u know that carry a howitzer on board .... none ..... thankyou .. we need a c130 for air support and a hercules for troop transport k thx bye .

[Mask 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How many choppers do u know that carry a howitzer on board .... none ..... thankyou <span id='postcolor'>

Ok, i absolutely agree with u on this one, but u see, as u said urself

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">we need a c130 for air support and a hercules for troop transport<span id='postcolor'> Which we don't have and that's kinda pitty.

[Tovarish 0]

I like the planes but they should be tweaked to be more realistic. first off...the firing rates on the cannon are too slow. Second, both the A-10 and Su-25 can slave their guns to their targetting radar when attacking ground targets (i.e, you canactually target ground targets with the gun). Third and probably most important as far as the gun goes, it is mounted WAY too high on both these planes, making efficient strafing runs difficult at best. Other things can be improved of course, for example both these planes always carry 2 IR AA missiles for self defence Aim-9P/L/M for the A-10 and R-60/R-73 for the Su-25. The joystick control already has been improved (Thanks BIS!!, but it still could use a lot of work, especially rudder...I'd like to be able to use the rudder in flight thanks, not just when taking off .

[DodgeME 0]

I always wanted some AA missiles for both planes and choppers. Maybe u can change what ur aircraft or chopper will carry, like all air/ground missiles, rocket number etc.

Planes can change the wave of a battle. A-10 can take out 2 plattons of T-80 and the Su-25 can destory a shitload of NATO tanks.

[EBass 0]

I mainly use planes for atmostphere. When about 3 frogfoots roar over u and blow a tank sky high u feel under heavy air attack even though su25s arent that effective

[Wobble 1]

the problem with planes is that they do not fit in the engine.. unless you manaully increase the viewdistance ALOT you only have about 500m of distasnce you can see.... and at the speed your flying that means that IF you see the enemy at the max range (?500m?) and are flying slow.. say 250.. that means AT BEST you will have 2.5 seconds to..

A:verify the target

B:aim your weapon

C:fire

now take into consideration the ROF of the A-10 or SU.. say 300rpm..

lets say that in that 2.5seconds the enemy pops up you manage to only take 1.4 seconds to see the enemy and aim your plane at it .. at most before you hit it you will be about to get aout.. about 4-6 rounds..

and thats with the BEST possable conditions.. flying the slowest, spotting the enemy at the farthest possable.. and aiming PERFECTLY..

I for one have never killed a tank with either plane.. I doubt I have damaged one..

It makes me laugh when I see pepople say "we need F-16s ad Migs ! so we can dogfight"

you are retarded.

airplanes do not belong in this game.. period.

[Aculaud 0]

I personally think plaines make better AI air support than choppers do. One maverick takes out a t-80, while it takes about five minues for a chopper to do the same thing under AI control. By this time, your either dead, or youve taken out the damn thing yourself.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Dont get me started on this one... If I had my way and BIS worked for me, I wouldve had them input the entire arsenals of NATO and Warsaw Pact armies into the game, with accurate models for everything ! But enough of my dreams. An A-C130, while it would be nice, would be sort of dumb, as the airfields are a tad bit small for them (unless the Big Ass Birds used rocket assisted takeoffs). But they would be nice as an addition to some SP missions... not so good for MP though

[dayglow 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Mar. 31 2002,10:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I like the planes but they should be tweaked to be more realistic. first off...the firing rates on the cannon are too slow. Second, both the A-10 and Su-25 can slave their guns to their targetting radar when attacking ground targets (i.e, you canactually target ground targets with the gun). Third and probably most important as far as the gun goes, it is mounted WAY too high on both these planes, making efficient strafing runs difficult at best. Other things can be improved of course, for example both these planes always carry 2 IR AA missiles for self defence Aim-9P/L/M for the A-10 and R-60/R-73 for the Su-25. The joystick control already has been improved (Thanks BIS!!, but it still could use a lot of work, especially rudder...I'd like to be able to use the rudder in flight thanks, not just when taking off .<span id='postcolor'>

Please explain how the A10 'slaves' the gun to the AG radar? In fact the A10 doesn't even have a radar. It has been experimented with carring LANTRIN pods, but those are terrain following radar only, not targeting. Not sure about the SU25 and what it carries in it's nose.

COLINMAN

[ale2999 0]

Guys hasnt any of u tried the multiplayer map Plane frenzy made by Bigeq. It is about flying cessna that can SHOoT. (I dont know how but they are not addons) And I managed to have really cool dogfights. It's like one of the funniest map I played l8ly. U can dogfight if speed is not to much

[Mask 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It makes me laugh when I see pepople say "we need F-16s ad Migs ! so we can dogfight"

you are retarded.

airplanes do not belong in this game.. period.

<span id='postcolor'>

Yes Wobble that was my point when i was starting this topic and it would be better if the game had some planes for paratrooping. Thanks for the info

[InRange 1]

An AC-130 Spectre would be cool, only...I'm not sure if they were in service in 1985. *shrugs*

About the planes that are currently in OFP: they do provide a great atmosphere but I think that the battlefields in OFP are just too small-scale for effective use of a plane. I mean, with 600 kmph (or was it mph?) you'll be flying past everything too fast.

[IGFs TopGun 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (InRange @ April 01 2002,10:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">An AC-130 Spectre would be cool, only...I'm not sure if they were in service in 1985. *shrugs*<span id='postcolor'>

The AC-130 was used in Vietnam, have you never watch the Wings Discovery Channel? They have great video footage of the big guns just lighting up the forest

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/ac-130.htm

During Vietnam, gunships destroyed more than 10,000 trucks and were credited with many life-saving close air support missions. AC-130s suppressed enemy air defense systems and attacked ground forces during Operation Urgent Fury in Grenada. This enabled the successful assault of Point Salines airfield via airdrop and airland of friendly forces.

I would love to see this plane in, I think the A-10 and Su-25 just don't cut it. I've tried a few missions w/ them, if you can't get the FM's close then don't bother.

This sim is a ground sim and the vehicles are awesome, helo's are good and add alot because of the big maps. Still can't land them though

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DayGlow @ April 01 2002,09:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Please explain how the A10 'slaves' the gun to the AG radar? In fact the A10 doesn't even have a radar. It has been experimented with carring LANTRIN pods, but those are terrain following radar only, not targeting. Not sure about the SU25 and what it carries in it's nose.

COLINMAN<span id='postcolor'>

Forgive my ignorance on the Warthog, shows what happens when you actually take your high school history teacher seriously...but it does have this:

"a low altitude safety and targeting enhancement system (LASTE) which provides constantly computing impact point freefall ordnance delivery"

I'm fairly certain this would also help with gun targeting since that is one of it's important weapons.

The Su-39 is actually the one that has a multimode radar (in a pod under the fuselage), but the Su-25 has a lazer rangefinder used to target unguided ordnance

[SpetsnazWarriorX 0]

what is up with you people??? tell me WHAT makes you so against dogfighting and MiGs/F-16s? sure, OFP was made for infantry/war/tactics and so on, and not necessarily for dogfighting, BUT for a fan of air-to-air dogfighting myself, I would welcome the addition of F-16s and MiGs with open arms. And don't start that ridiculous crap of saying "If you want dogfighting, go play a flight sim" - I have plently of those, and I say OFP with MiGs would benefit those who actually appreciate the capabilities of these aircraft, and sometimes would want to escape from the infantry trekking

[paintfreak67 0]

i can't comment much on how the jets handel and shoot and all cause i just have the demo but i di think that a AI controled dogfight (or even just a movie of it) that you could look up at while your fighting on the ground would really inhance the umm...........feel of the game. it would make the fact that your in a large scale war between powers more evident. but thats just MHO.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SpetsnazWarriorX @ April 01 2002,20:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">what is up with you people??? tell me WHAT makes you so against dogfighting and MiGs/F-16s? sure, OFP was made for infantry/war/tactics and so on, and not necessarily for dogfighting, BUT for a fan of air-to-air dogfighting myself, I would welcome the addition of F-16s and MiGs with open arms. And don't start that ridiculous crap of saying "If you want dogfighting, go play a flight sim" - I have plently of those, and I say OFP with MiGs would benefit those who actually appreciate the capabilities of these aircraft, and sometimes would want to escape from the infantry trekking  <span id='postcolor'>

The reasons OFP isnt good for these airplanes is that the islands are too small, the planes are too fast, the viewing distance is too low, and the runways are too short.

Go buy a flight sim

[S_Z 0]

I would not like to see new aircraft’s like Mig/F-16…they are not suited for the OFP engine. Rather than putting in lots of new stuff (like these planes) I would really like if BIS improved the things we already have…better damage models.. better physic…a bit more realistic tank and chopper simulation and so on.

[Wobble 1]

what is up with you people??? tell me WHAT makes you so against dogfighting and MiGs/F-16s? sure, OFP was made for infantry/war/tactics and so on, and not necessarily for dogfighting, BUT for a fan of air-to-air dogfighting myself, I would welcome the addition of F-16s and MiGs with open arms. And don't start that ridiculous crap of saying "If you want dogfighting, go play a flight sim" - I have plently of those, and I say OFP with MiGs would benefit those who actually appreciate the capabilities of these aircraft, and sometimes would want to escape from the infantry trekking[/]b]

yea.. supersonic AC fighting in a small box with only 500m of view.. yea, that would be REALLY REALLY FUN!!!..

*wobble jams his hand through the glass and presses the tard alarm*