Machine guns

[Benze 0]

Yeah, normally they just turn around and instantly fire a burst into my head at 300 yards.

BTW, RL question...if the machine gunner becomes a casualty, does another member of the team pick it up and use it?

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">RL question...if the machine gunner becomes a casualty, does another member of the team pick it up and use it?<span id='postcolor'>

Of course.

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Same here, they stand in the open and bring thier weapons to bear, strange, If a guy was firing in my direction with an MG I would be diving for cover, unless I was dead already.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the M/G's in OFP are horribly inaccurate when fired from any position but the prone. This is due to the massive amount of barrel climb produced from firing such a high volume of fire.<span id='postcolor'>

I know that. However, in OFP they are innacurate in ANY position, the 'beaten zone' is too wide, get my drift?

[Tex -USMC- 0]

I want a SAW (Minimi to you Euro-types)

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ April 01 2002,04:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyone here (in this thread)... there are others on this forum with military experience) ever used a real MG? Besides myself?<span id='postcolor'>

Yes, I have fired the Swedish Kulspruta 58 and Kulspruta 90(which are actually FN MAG and FN Minimi) quite many times and some other MGs once or twice.

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One of the best MG's in the world today ( a real bitch to clean though.. ) : The FN MAG

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The FN Mag rules! It is the best bloody weapon out there. I'm not talking about performance, but how fun it is to shoot. Ahh.. the sound of it.. it is really cool. And yes, it is bloody har to clean - gets very dirty and has many small movable parts. It also jams pretty often. The Minimi is better from that point of view, but it is still less fun to shoot then the MAG.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have never used an M-60, so I can't really comment on its effectiveness, or lack thereof but I'm sure its more accuracte in real life than it is in OFP.

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I have actually fired an M-60 twice, but not enough to evaluate it's performance. It was nothing like shooting the MAG. Very disappointing. Lame sound too...

[mp82 0]

the machine guns are useless if used by ai controlled soldiers

I have setup the following

3 machine guns on very highs skill 100-200m away. Squad runs in sight and you see many bullets fly but most of them fly 1m above the soldiers heads. Looks really nice if you want that combat atmosphere but they never hit anything. If I replace them with ak soldiers they hit on 300m .

On high skill the machine gunners tend to fire on full auto (same goes for any machine gun on vehicles) and on low skill they fire less shots.

BIS should fix that

[Pete 1]

Anyone here (in this thread)... there are others on this forum with military experience) ever used a real MG? Besides myself?

i quess pretty much every euro past 19-20 years has done that

myself only a few times, and it was a finnish made light mg, and a huge aa-mg (12.7)...i like the mg's in ofp, just a little more accuracy when prone and it would be very very great weapen.

i always take a m60 over a m16 in ofp if i have no law or something special to take, mainly since i have more bullets to miss the target with...

its just too cool to suprise someone closerange and let it rip hehehe

[WKK Gimbal 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ April 01 2002,11:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I want a SAW (Minimi to you Euro-types)<span id='postcolor'>

tex, look in the addons forum, there's a link to the SAW beta1. Later today or tomorrow, beta2 will be up.

[paintfreak67 0]

i like zeroin' in on a baddie from long distance and watch them hit the ground, mienwhile the ground around them is exploding in a hail of bullets untill finally you see a little puff of red when the bullets finally find their target. sooooooo great!

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It also jams pretty often.<span id='postcolor'>

Seriously? Out of the thousands of rounds I've put through an FN MAG, it has only jammed on me once. I turned out to be a faulty extractor and was fixed in about 10 minutes. It's funny when you are on a range all day with them, at the end of the day they sound like different guns then when they started out as.

The C7A1 (M-16A2) doesn't jam that often either, it's only happened to me twice. The first time was on my recruit course but it was my fault becasue I forgot to oil it before I got on the range. The second time was also due to a faulty extractor but that one had to be sent away to a weapons tech to get fixed.

The C9A1 (FN minimi) jams a bit more often than the MAG, probably becasue we use them more often and are more worn out. But I agree with you, the MAG is much more 'fun' to use.

Tyler

[USSoldier11B 0]

The FN MAG looks remarkably like the M240B (see pic of me below), which is also made by FN/Browning USA. Is it basically the same gun? I've never got my hands on an FN MAG. Also, does it eject the shell casings from the bottom like a 240B? This is an improvement over the 60 that I enjoy becase I am left handed, and you can't shoot a 60 left handed because the ejection port will puke hot brass all over you. The M240B may look similar to a 60, but if you open it up the actions are worlds apart. The FN action is ingeniously simple. Yes, the 60 is a piece of crap, and it jams alot. Like the FN MAG (FN is famous for adjustable gas system which allows thier guns to fire blanks, different types of 7.62 rounds etc without malfunctioning, also allows it to fire dirty,) the 240 rarely jams. Good sturdy weapon, and it is more accurate than the 60.

[Guest]

The FN MAG (KSP58) we used was the equivalent of the US M240G.

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Seriously? Out of the thousands of rounds I've put through an FN MAG, it has only jammed on me once. he C9A1 (FN minimi) jams a bit more often than the MAG, <span id='postcolor'>

Really? I have the exactly opposite expirence. The minimi never jammed for me while the MAG did it rather often. Could be the low-qual training ammo we used.

We had a rule of thumb for the MAG and it was that the burst should be as long as it takes you to say "en pilsner" ... which means "a beer" in Swedish

The MAG also tends to get pretty hot.

[Ether Dragon 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ April 01 2002,23:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The FN MAG looks remarkably like the M240B (see pic of me below), which is also made by FN/Browning USA. Is it basically the same gun? I've never got my hands on an FN MAG. Also, does it eject the shell casings from the bottom like a 240B? This is an improvement over the 60 that I enjoy becase I am left handed, and you can't shoot a 60 left handed because the ejection port will puke hot brass all over you. The M240B may look similar to a 60, but if you open it up the actions are worlds apart. The FN action is ingeniously simple. Yes, the 60 is a piece of crap, and it jams alot. Like the FN MAG (FN is famous for adjustable gas system which allows thier guns to fire blanks, different types of 7.62 rounds etc without malfunctioning, also allows it to fire dirty,) the 240 rarely jams. Good sturdy weapon, and it is more accurate than the 60.<span id='postcolor'>

The M240 is very similar to an M60 with only a few alterations. It's originally meant as a vehicle mounted weapon - the M1 tank using two of them. If you look at your picture, you can see a hole on the bottom to the left of your left hand. A pin slides through that hole to secure it to the vehicle's weapon mounts, and then locks in position with a second clamp on the back. The stock goes away, as does the handle, to be replaced with various triggers depending on it's location in the vehicle. The M240b is just an infantry configuration, and the the M240 has several other variations as well - mostly for various vehicle mountings. I never played with an FN MAG, but I've used several versions of the M240 as well as the M60. They both strip down about the same.

[Guest]

If you have used an M240 then you have used an FN MAG - it's the same gun mate

Fond memories: MAG & Minimi - my old squad's machinegunner

[DodgeME 0]

That looks very cool

They guy seems like a total gyn freak. Scary!!!

Reminds me of worms(the game) where in the FMV the hold all those weapons

[ralphwiggum 6]

nice shoreline,

what's that Rambo-wannabe doing? He's messing the scenery!!!

j/k

[Ether Dragon 0]

He'd look even meaner if he didn't have the M.I.L.E.S. gear on the weapons. =)

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DodgeME @ April 02 2002,20:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That looks very cool

They guy seems like a total gyn freak. Scary!!!<span id='postcolor'>

Hehe.. I'll be sure to tell him

That's noting. This is a pic of our illustrious cook borrowing an FN MAG and some live rounds. I must say that the only thing more scary was his food

[scout 0]

i used an FN-MAG and the NEGEV

personally i like more the FN-MAG it never jammed on me no matter how much sand it ate. and its god*amn acurrate.

though if u want the bullets to last a whole EX. u need about 1000-1200 bullets which is god*amn heavy.

which a laser sight, u cant lose!

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Is it basically the same gun?<span id='postcolor'>

Yes, the M240B and the FN MAG are the same thing. The U.S. added hand guards on the barrel and gas tube and put on a synthetic butt stock. IMO, I would like the hand guards on the gas tube, for ease of carrying when hot. But I don't think I would like the barrel guards because it looks like they can get in the way during a barrel change. They would also take up more space than un-gaurded barrels. The concept seems good though, I've seen barrels get orange hot.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The M240 is very similar to an M60 with only a few alterations.<span id='postcolor'>

I hope not. The M-240 and M-60 are two totally different designs. The M-240 was not an improvement on the M-60, it is intended as a replacement.

LOL, tell that cook to get his finger off the trigger!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Could be the low-qual training ammo we used.<span id='postcolor'>

That would be it.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We had a rule of thumb for the MAG and it was that the burst should be as long as it takes you to say "en pilsner" ... which means "a beer" in Swedish<span id='postcolor'>

LOL, We in Canada are much more rude, we say..... 'mother f*cker '

Tyler

[scout 0]

we would solve the problem of the hand guards by installing a "assault handle" on the gas tube. saves u the strech.

about the length of brust i dunno. we would try not to fire more then 3 rds. a brust unless it covering fire for assault.

otherwise the ammo just dont last..........

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ April 03 2002,00:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Could be the low-qual training ammo we used.<span id='postcolor'>

That would be it.  <span id='postcolor'>

Or the fact that we used to give our weapons a bath now and then

(Actually a ksp90 (minimi) on the picture, but the principle holds)

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We had a rule of thumb for the MAG and it was that the burst should be as long as it takes you to say "en pilsner" ... which means "a beer" in Swedish<span id='postcolor'>

LOL, We in Canada are much more rude, we say..... 'mother f*cker '

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LOL! Your version was much better

[USSoldier11B 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The M240 is very similar to an M60 with only a few alterations. It's originally meant as a vehicle mounted weapon<span id='postcolor'>

B.S. I know both weapons inside out, the actions are nowhere near similar in design. Also, I know about all of the configurations for the M240 series I am in the f%&*ing army after all.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ether Dragon @ April 02 2002,18:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The M240 is very similar to an M60 with only a few alterations.  <span id='postcolor'>

Not really. The M60 is an American design from 1950. The M240 is a FN MAG, a design by Fabrique Nationale of Belgium.

[Ether Dragon 0]

Wee!  I'm getting all kinds of good replies.  Hey, it's just an opinion.  I was in the army, I had to tear both down on a fairly regular basis.  I felt that they were very similar in design.  Then again, it's been over ten years since I got out, so I don't doubt that I could be missing some aspect that makes them different.  Okay, one is called an M-60 and was designed in the '50s, while the other is called an M-240 and is an FN MAG.  Despite the name change, tell me what makes them different in their mechanics?  Honestly, about the only thing I remember is lifting the belt tray, popping the spring out the back, and replacing the barrel.  The more I think about it, I might be mistaking the spring from the .50 cal.

Anyways, as I said, I used both the M60 and the M240 on a regular basis, and I can't remember a single difference in their assembly - at least not from a basic maintenance standpoint.  I really don't care if the firing pin is 2mm longer on one than the other or something.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

I've been trying to locate some technical drawing but to no avail.

Basically, the M-60 is an American 'improvement' (albeit a shitty one) on the German MG-42. If you look closely you can see a resemblance between the two.

MG-42:

M-60:

The FN MAG is a totaly different design concept.

FN MAG:

Allow me to quote an article:

The gun intri-gued Allied small arms technologists who wanted to convert it for use by their troops. An attempt by U. S - ordnance personnel to convert the MG42 to caliber .30-06 failed due to dimensional effors but a number of the MG42's features - and the multi-purpose philosophy - were incorporated into the two most prominent post-war "general purpose machine guns" (GPMGs). One of those is the U.S. M60 which is a very bad machine gun. The other significant example is the Fabrique Nationale Mitrailleuses D'Appui General (machine gun of general purpose), otherwise known as the Mitrailleuse a Gaz (gas-operated machine gun). This Belgian entry is even more distinguished than its name. Commonly called the FN MAG 58, this epitome of the GPMG genre was the crowning achievement of FN's premier designer M. Ernest Vervier.

The MAG is belt-fed, gas-operated and fires from the open bolt position. It is air-cooled and its 21.4-inch barrel is designed for quick-change by the gun crew. In the ground version, i. weighs 231/2 pounds with an overall length of 49.2 inches. Its adjustable gas regulator permits the cyclic rate to be varied from 650 to 1,100 rpm.

Also, the firing rate on an M-60 is much lower than that of the FN

HTH, Tyler