Bugs? Why do I keep hearing this crap..?

[jwalstab 10]

Hi fellas,

I just have to thanks to the developer for the awesome game, only game I have bought for like 5 years as most games aren't worth the money so I just download em (EDIT\\ this can mean freeware you arseholes, shut up about piracy and please topic about the topic at hand). I also have to ask one question....what is all this talk of mysterious 'bugs'? I have an old pentinum 4, 8600gt and 2 gigs of ram and the game works great on low settings. I have had a few bugs with mods but thats understandable...every site, review or forum says 'arma is a great game but full of bugs' and then they specify one instance in the campaign where something slightly annoyed them..?

What exactly are these 'bugs' everyone speaks of? I haven't played the campaign either im a bit of a map editor bandit, so maybe this is why I have never had problems...I personally think people just look for the bugs to jump on the claim game is unstable bandwagon.

Edited October 13, 2009 by jwalstab

[Fred DM 0]

Hi fellas,

I just have to thanks to the developer for the awesome game, only game I have bought for like 5 years as most games aren't worth the money so I just download em.

oh ffs... :j:

I also have to ask one question....what is all this talk of mysterious 'bugs'? I have an old pentinum 4, 8600gt and 2 gigs of ram and the game works great on low settings. I have had a few bugs with mods but thats understandable...every site, review or forum says 'arma is a great game but full of bugs' and then they specify one instance in the campaign where something slightly annoyed them..?

What exactly are these 'bugs' everyone speaks of? I haven't played the campaign either im a bit of a map editor bandit, so maybe this is why I have never had problems...I personally think people just look for the bugs to jump on the claim game is unstable bandwagon.

i really can't tell if this is supposed to be ironic or not... :confused:

[vilas 477]

maybe you right, maybe you not find bugs, cause you do missions yourself, not playing campaign

but there are bugs, in weapons configs for example AKS74U is better than G36A (total surrealism)

but maybe you count "bug" as graphic related problem only ???

if for you "bug" is only graphical problem - than we have different view on "what is important" in such sim-aiming software

[no use for a name 0]

there definitely are bugs; but I don't think they're as "game breaking" as most people claim.

[jwalstab 10]

Fred DM thanks for the thumbs down, and for not answering my question.

Vilas, I agree I am guessing people are refering to the campaign but thats why I am asking this question, although I doubt the reviewers and general bug crying public notice such small realism issues, but yes there are some innacuracys...but if not being realistic or having innacurate balistics is what you consider bugs, arma 2 is basically the least buggy game ever made, most fps's are so far off its laughable in realistic guns.

No use for a name, which bugs in particular are you speaking of that you encounter that are not game breaking but still 'bugs'?

So to clarify, what bugs are being encountered...?

[EricM 0]

I would encourage you to edit your post immediately to remove any kind of suspicious reference to not so legal practices. They are not tolerated here, even though I'm glad you got Arma 2 the right way.

And there are still bugs, some big, some small :

Big : Many CTD in warfare missions (I crash every 15min or so in Dogs of War) for instance, graphical corruption with certain cards etc...

Small :

-Topolka dam : you can walk underwater near the dam...

the list goes on and on...

-Muzzle flash of MI24 always visible

-Artillery module fucked up with MLRS and Grad...

Edited October 13, 2009 by EricM

[no use for a name 0]

magically dying in rocks, collision for some objects (like bigger rocks and some trees) that block your bullets, grenades bouncing like rubber balls, some movement bugs... Like I said none of these break the game for me, just get annoying sometimes. I know most of the ones I can think of are reported on the Arma2 community tracker, so hopefully they'll get fixed in time

[vilas 477]

So to clarify, what bugs are being encountered...?

for me, from my point of view:

AKS74U is short barreled weapon used on 200-250 meters, while AI has max range in config 600 meters, while G36A with scope has only 400

total nonsense

SVD is marksman cheap rifle, poor optics mount (PSO has 4x magnification like ACOG), mass production in Warsaw Pact, it cannot be comparable with M24/M40 with Leupold scope (10x), while in game it has 300 meters bigger AI fire range than M40E3

total nonsense

what for me is more bugs ?

RPK has AK receiver, no RPK receiver with thicker barrel mount

RPK 5.45 drum ? never heard

AK107 barrel mechanism wrong

T90 count in Russian army is 300, T80 is 5000, why in this game there is no T80 if it represents RF? T72 with DSHK is also bug, T72 have NSVT mounted, but thanx addonmaking i made T72 with NSVT, T80 B, BV, U... my weapons have realistic models and balistics, simply for me if on box i have big fat letters "ultimate military realism" then for me bug is everything what is not realistic

more bugs :

- you can kill man by shot in his foot

- you can blow up apc/tank by rifle , firing in non-important parts

- lack of bulletproof barriers like vest and etc.

- sometimes wrongly acting HDR

generally for me A2 is "new layout" for OFP, cause dammage mechanism and model structure build is the same as OFP (fire geometry, hitpoints, global armor value, no difference if Sabot, HEAT, HE, simply "impact")

game is about modern war and has no FLIR ? game has engine to represent 1939-1980 mods

but simply Arma has no competition, Dragon Rising appeared as total fail and collapse (not worthy buying)

there is no other game such type, we can complain, but we have no choice

there is no other game to easy do addons, easy do missions, mod it and change it

Arma has fantastic people community, Arma , OFP are unique

there is no other community like this, there is no product like this

succes of BIS is their unique product that no-one other has, unique that no-one makes and no-other developer do games "about us, here in eastern europe"

all other games are stinking by one and the same scenario

"brave us mercenarry killer agent vs. bad asian-communist-drug-terrorists in desert areas and large factories and old warehouses"

all games are "the same" :/ or WW2 US soldier or desert area war or secret agent in old big factory and caves

only OFP and A2 gives me atmosphere of my neighborhood , only OFP and Armas gave me tractor, Trabant, Skoda, Ikarus to drive, no other game had such vehicles to play

i was so happy in 2002 when i saw game with bus, Trabi, tractor, east europe looking island and mission editor, that i can choose side to play (east or west or guerilla), choose weapon, do weapon, do my own army from my country, thats why although BIS products have many many bugs i am addicted to it for 6 years

if i was from USA or other country like some Asian - for me OFP and Arma2 would not be so interested as they are because i see vehicles from my streets and thats why i've fallen in love with OFP many years ago

for me it is special software, cause here i see my own soldiers, nowhere else i can play soldier of my country, drive my vehicles and etc.

only in OFP i could race Trabi and tractor with my friend, other games have Ferrari, BMW, screw that

i want cheap FIAT

Edited October 13, 2009 by vilas

[jwalstab 10]

No use for a name: I haven't died in a collision in rocks before and I play it for like 3 hours a day using rocks as cover, but yes I agree that is defintly a bug if it happens to some people. Thank you one bug seems to be listed, but seriously I have played heaps of games where sometimes I have gotten stuck due to level design? Doesn't seem like an "OH JESUS BUGS ARE GOING TO EAT ME ALIVE CAN'T PLAY THE GAME ANYMORE!!!" moment the reviews seem to have.

Vilas I am talking about bugs, you seem to be talking about design of the game being incorrect...although I agree with your observations and can't wait for the dev team to finally get it right sometime. I am Australian and enjoy the game for some similiar reasons (not just another game about a US soldier to save the world from "evil" [communist/islam/anyone who is different to america])Also my girlfriend is ukrainian which helps my interest in eastern europe.

Also who said I was illegally downloading games, for all you know I was downloading freeware games like chess and scrabble for the last 5 years..so no I didn't talk about anything illegal!

I am going to go check out the community tracker, off to find it now..maybe then I will find some real game stopping bugs that everyone bitches about but I never encounter.

Edited October 13, 2009 by jwalstab

[vilas 477]

hmmm... than for me in other games like "typical stupid shooters" i noticed no bugs at all, all was fun (but they were other type of entertainment)

for example RTCW, MOHAA, Project IGI, CoD..., SoF..., Max Payne , AVP for me had no bugs

but they were linear scripted and closed structure games

so for me in Arma there are bugs like behaviour of HDR , like surrealism in weapons, cause for me BIS game is different idea

you know

games are like music

when you buy silent and peacefull girl singing songs you expect soft music

when you buy death metal you expect agression and hate from your speaker and noise of hammer that crashes all

so when death metal bands issued record full of ballads - yeah, this is BUG

the same with games, i am playing Max Payne, RTCW to feel atmosphere of fear, i am playing Arma2 to feel technical military simulation

another bug for me is new menu, changed OFP/Arma1 healing

i cannot be near to other team medic and heal :(

previously there was option of heal, now i can order only my own medic :/

i can bleed to death 2 meters from medic, which refuses to heal me

in OFP/Arma1 it was different way

choosing gear of my team is also screwed in A2

in OFP/A1 units were sorted by number

now when i have 20 units i have to search who is 14, cause on list i have "Pavel A, Marek B, Tomas C, Pavel D..., Peter E..." and how the hell easy find 14 and order him to leave pistol and use rifle only or take another magazine when he is near dead soldier ?

judging from your post-count you are newbie in community, do you know OFP/Arma1 command system ?

Edited October 13, 2009 by vilas

[Fudgeblood 10]

only game I have bought for like 5 years as most games aren't worth the money so I just download em.

We don't take kindly to yer type 'round 'ere.

[jwalstab 10]

I think the problem lies in our different defintion of the word 'bugs'.

In your sense, a bug in max payne is if they should have used more blood on the dead baby because it would of increased the atmosphere of fear as you state thats what you require from the game, or if they censored swear words, because that would take away from the grittiness.

Just like a bug in arma 2 for you is if they didn't include flir, because they would have made it more realistic. Or that it should have had a proper wounding system.

I kind of think of these as design issues (and arma 2 I reckon has heaps of these), rather than bugs but I guess the word bugs is looser than I thought.

I definty appreciate your opinon as it helps me understand what these 'bugs' are...I tend to think of them as more like a crash to desktop or constant errors showing up or like its stuck in 800x600 or something

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We don't take kindly to yer type 'round 'ere.

now now skeeter I ain't hurtin nobody

[thr0tt 12]

Is it me or in the past couple of weeks we have had more pirates post here stating their love for ArmA yet they love to admit to pirating games and what not ? I mean, because folk say they pirate all 'other' games etc. but didn't pirate this one how are we to believe this and they are all honest now ?

I stupidly bought 2 copies of ArmA II, download from Morphicon and the UK DVD version, now I may be more stupid that the pirate poster for posting that fact. :/

[Fudgeblood 10]

Is it me or in the past couple of weeks we have had more pirates post here stating their love for ArmA yet they love to admit to pirating games and what not ? I mean, because folk say they pirate all 'other' games etc. but didn't pirate this one how are we to believe this and they are all honest now ?

Probably all the people waiting for OFP: DR that wanted to try out ArmA 2, finding out that it isn't a bug infested unplayable game that they were to believe.

[vilas 477]

jwalstab - i edited my previous post, please re-read it ;)

2 more bugs encountered :)

concerning "other games" and "pirates"

there was topic about securom lowering FPS, so when you say about pirates, please think about difference between securom and no-dvd check version (torrent or BIS Beta patch)

thanx to BIS BETA patch i have 5-6 FPS more and much less lags than in dvd-check version of game

when you say about piracy, piracy has 2 faces

one face is theft/stealing (correct in English?) other face is "sometimes cracked versions work better" and this second face is most sad

the fact that someone "steal" is sad, but fact that "legal works worse" is much more sad

i can give at least few examples of "legal worked much worse cause securing and disc-check was annoying pain in the ass"

now this is sad

if there was no Beta patch by BIS what would be choice for me ?

to have 18-21 FPS and full of lags or to have 24-29 FPS and no lags ?

cause for me difference between BETA and non-beta patch is 5-6 FPS + lags

in Polish edition of Arma 1 we had Starforce

my Arma1 behaviour was horrible (cubic models, lost textures), later i was so happy with 1.08 patch, now i realise, maybe it was because BIS removed disc-check and than my game was working like it should ??

people who had torrent version were asking me "what lags you talk about"

after removing Starforce or whatever name of it , my Arma 1 started to work

in Arma 1 disc checking was 8-14 retry in my case, untill BIS made no-cd patch (remember not only to start game, but also tools viewer when making addons)

belive me , i have 5 FPS more and less less bugs in BETA patch i also know personally one person who had torrented version before game was in sale in my country and after official premiere he bought it legally (using for torrents for test and bought cause he is honest) and his FPS lowered and he was so angry because of this till BETA patch came

that's why i call it "more sad"

i wanna be honest, i wanna buy record of music and listen it everywhere i want, but ... i bought one CD and every 30 seconds it had 2 seconds silence "because of advanced anti-piracy protection CD cannot be played in CD roms" and not in car-cd player and not in portable discman

this is sad

but back to topic of Arma bugs

it is good that people waiting for DR are here now

DR is fail, Arma2 rulez :)

Edited October 13, 2009 by vilas

[Alex72 1]

I just have to thanks to the developer for the awesome game, only game I have bought for like 5 years as most games aren't worth the money so I just download em.

Fred DM said "oh ffs" to that comment becuase its against the rules to talk about pirating games on this forum.

But your right about that ARMA2 doesnt have the game breaking bugs many says. The campaign im sure has it shares, and ARMA2 as a whole do have bugs, but you can avoid them by mission design for now. We play a lot and very seldom notice any bugs. I know where the bugs are and i avoid them. However i can play all night long and have super fun without noticing any. BIS is working on eliminating bugs though as you can see in the beta programme, but some that wont be taken care of by them might be by the community. Happened before and will probably happen again.

[nomdeplume 0]

Also who said I was illegally downloading games, for all you know I was downloading freeware games like chess and scrabble for the last 5 years..so no I didn't talk about anything illegal!

Well if you want to play that game, your post actually said "most games aren't worth the money so I just download em". How can freeware games not be "worth the money"?

For game-stopping bugs, the game is very unstable on some systems, but rock solid on others, and nobody has been able to positively identify why. For me it's mostly stable, and seems to be better if I manually set my GTX 295's fan speed up high, but on the other hand I've played other games and had the card get up to 80 degrees without problems, and it always crashed well before that with Arma 2. So even that isn't positive.

If you don't have it crashing then great for you, but a lot of people do to varying extents. For me it's just enough to put me off playing it as much as I otherwise would, since if I get invested in a mission it's very frustrating to have it crash. Some people can barely play it at all, it's that bad. Again, depends on the system... or something.

Then there's performance-related issues, such as "stuttering" when it's loading additional data. Even on my pretty decent system, I get this sometimes. It doesn't render it unplayable but it is annoying. Try flying around Chernarus in a fixed-wing and looking around left to right constantly (TrackIR helps here) - I get a fair bit of stutter which does detract from the game.

Then there's a few minor issues like the view distance that can have an impact on gameplay at times -- particularly noticable in the fast movers when you're trying to line up for an attack run but your target isn't actually visible until you're pretty close to it, even with a 10km view distance. (Also some vehicles don't appear until you're really close to them, for some reason).

Finally, there's a few annoyances which affect people differently depending on what they like to play. Vehicle control has been pretty bad, I've read that it's been improved in 1.04 or recent betas but haven't tried it; if you want to drive vehicles, that's annoying. AI fixed-wing aircraft can't take off from most of the airfields, meaning if you want to employ that kind of thing in your missions you're out of luck. AI vehicles aren't very good at driving on roads - slowing right down and doing strange maneuvers, and convoys just don't work.

It does depend a bit on how you play the game. But if you're particularly interested in an aspect like vehicles or fixed-wing support etc. then you can run into some problems which makes some scenarios impossible to create, for seemingly stupid reasons (e.g. planes not being able to take off without crashing).

[jwalstab 10]

Vilas: Ok now my post looks stupid because you edited yours..! :p thats ok I am to lazy to go back and edit again.

I have played operation flashpoint from the start, I always follow this community I just never post on forums. I am bored today and angry because I read these reviews all crying wolf about bugs.

yes I actually have to use steam, which is funny because if you pirate games you can play them whenever you want, steam frequently locks me out of my own game I paid for when I dont have an internet connection as well as limits the systems you can install it on. But I simply had to buy Arma 2, its an awesome game and I am lookin forward to BI continuing to make them.

Also I bought empire total war forgot about that one, also a good game to support.

Thr0tt: man I wish I cared about your random opinion on piracy and if I purchased this game.

I don't really care about anyones views on piracy infact I never said I was a pirate, I said I download games which could refer to freeware you dickheads.

BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE...!

oh and thanks vilas for editing the post and adding two legit real bugs, even though I still havent heard ONE GAME STOPPING BUG...anyone care to give me one?!

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some kind of guy : Thank you for stating some bugs, yea that aircraft not takin off properly is actually a proper game killing pain in the arse...and thanks for the bugs about performance, hadn't had any myself on a P4 single core, but I see what you mean if some systems above mine have unexplained trouble, although theres some people who expect a solid 80fps which I think accounts for %90 of performance whingers.

and yes I could have meant I didn't bother purchasing or playing games because they suck, and that I download freeware games instead....gonna have to cover my tracks, I have sherlock homes on my case.

[vilas 477]

maybe saying about bugs in A2 is because we all expect more from BIS than from others ?

we treat other developers as "heh, cheap TV sitcom with poor acting" but from BIS we want "ambition movie"

or like music

when band "abomination of firebringer of hamster revenge of blood and horror and war" makes poor record - screw them

when Metallica makes poor record - we angry, cause we expect more from them ?

maybe that's why i piss on other games content and play for fun 2-3 days max, while from BIS i expect more cause BIS game is few years of my life, while other games are few days or few hours ?

you know when Vader or Behemoth record boring album i am angry, when young metalhead play boring record, i simply not listen to it, cause they not exist for me :)

Edited October 13, 2009 by vilas

[jwalstab 10]

Alex72: Yea I think maybe some of us who use the BI mission editors for the last 7 years possibly avoid the bugs subcoinciously when we make our maps :P

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vilas: It is always like this in games aimed at people who like history or realism...look at total war series, some of the games in that series actually do have a few bugs in em, and the fans there start petitions and cry all day about them. I think the people who like these types of games are usually perfectionists.

[vilas 477]

and the fans there start petitions and cry all day about them. I think the people who like these types of games are usually perfectionists.

and probably it is sense of this :)

people criticized me cause button was wrong on pocket of uniform, i was criticizing for the same :)

yes, we , the community of BIS are not stupid kids (in 99%, cause from time to time here appears stupid kid)

moreover in Polish forum we had few people banned for stupidity :D

maybe this is main issue of all those "bugs"

cause i want BIS to make every screw/rivet proper and range of every weapon according to real soldier's usage range (goddamn AKS74U with 2-3 time to big distance) at least in my addons i have it real

maybe it is because other games can be finished in 1-2 days and development team can play it 10 times before release and find 100% of bugs

while testing ARMA is ... month and making 100 custom missions to find "goddamn, BMP collided with tank and fly" ? or "at 7 AM river reflection cause HDR dark all and i see no world around cause i looked at river"

but some times we are angry on BIS laziness , really what a problem to decrease AKS74U range to 300 meters, like they did to M4 ?? and make 100 m. less range for SVD in comparision to M40

few seconds to next patch

if they want i can rework it myself for free cause for me "it matters" as well as RPK receiver http://www.armaholic.eu/vilas/scr/wtf1.jpg :)

Edited October 13, 2009 by vilas

[NoRailgunner 0]

jwalstab take a look at the Community Issue Tracker with bugs and issues: http://dev-heaven.net/projects/cis/issues ;)

I would say at least all the stuff which are actually ingame (incl. missions, campaign, modules etc) should work without issues. It seems that BIS/publisher didnt test all features and missions properly and released a game which needs optimisation, tweaking, polishing and of course bugfixing.

Maybe the engine itself needs overhauling or maybe its time for a change...

[lochar 10]

I've been playing off/on for a week and so far just the singleplayer stuff but Ive spotted several bugs/glitches in the game. Some are ignorable but others are annoying.

1. Have had team in Lav 25 refuse to fire at enemies regardless of what ROE I choose.

2. Once you drive Lav 25 and want to have another teamate take over driver its almost impossible. When choose them to get in they will fill in all spots but driver. I swore I had a choice for them before but cant always choose a position.

3. When recieving a communication from HQ, and someone is spotted it overrides HQ and makes HQ start over again, with multiple sightings this can be very annoying to have HQ keep spamming its chatter.

4. AI driving on roads is awesome with nothing in road, but have a parked car nearby and they seem to shove it out of way. Also spent 10 minutes trying to give forward command to have driver back up and turn for no reason. Lol one time was due to maybe chickens in road, but they didnt go around they just kep going back and forth endlessly.

5. Heli transport would come under attack silently. Would take damage and never once issue any enemy sighting or under attack alarm.

6. If ejecting from helo and so do teammates to parachute in, helicopter would still wind up touching down where you marked, guess didnt realized we bailed out.

7. Armory have done challenges several times only to find out it lost my points when came back and have to start over almost.

These are just the few that come to mind, and I havent even done alot of the missions yet. I love the concept and some of the gameplay, but honesatly while I am not glued to it is because some of the bugs have just made me quit in anger. Several missions I have to restart from scratch because I found out my saves were of a bugged issue and only way to clear it is to start over.