cjsoques 0 Posted August 5, 2009 This community seems so dead set on the "hate it" or "love it" concept. So black and white to you guys. I like the gameplay, but hate the game's optimization. I honestly would love to go ahead and spend money on the game, but I can't do that knowing the game is going to lag even at modest settings. And another thing. I know it's not just me. I played the demo with my clan, all with with systems varying from medium end to ridiculously high end. We all had the same complaint : poor optimization and input lag. I was hoping maybe there's some odd thing I can change in the game's configuration, or some setting that bugged the game out that I could change, and all would be well. I'm with you totally on the first two paragraphs. Many people on here are very sheepish and will defend all of ARMA2's bugs to the death. While others are in the gray with this game. I LOVE the game...I mean love the game. There is nothing like it and I don't hesitate to point out the features that are just amazing. However, the game just feels very unprofessional, clunky, and old. While the terrain and models look beautiful, the effects and physics are the worst in the world. I love this game but it makes me so mad when I see the things they spent so much time and on the incredibly important things they totally didn't care about and it makes no sense. They have this incredible potential and so many things get left out while other things get unnecessary attention. Hence I love the game...yet I hate many of the design choices they spent to use their valuable time on :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thirdup 0 Posted August 5, 2009 I'm actually running the same specs as the OP (with a lesser card: 8800GTS). Playing fine here. Some hits near the port city, but the last nVidia drivers actually helped a bit there. Things could always be better, but...playing fine none the less. Such is the nature of computers, I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t1337Dude 10 Posted August 5, 2009 Very relevant as YOU chose to try and use it as a comparison.:p It is a good comparison. Crysis is a much better looking game, and much better running too. Aside from ArmA 2 and Clear Sky, it's one of the toughest games to run. Yet the information you provide isn't relevant. Your post: computers get 50 FPS on Crysis at 1920x1200 with 16x AA in DX10 with maxed settings. How exactly does that relate to my comparison, or more importantly, the optimization problems with ArmA 2? ---------- Post added at 01:40 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:39 AM ---------- I'm actually running the same specs as the OP (with a lesser card: 8800GTS).Playing fine here. Some hits near the port city, but the last nVidia drivers actually helped a bit there. Things could always be better, but...playing fine none the less. Such is the nature of computers, I guess. What settings are you using? And most curiously - which 3d Resolution? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bangtail 0 Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) It is a good comparison. Crysis is a much better looking game, and much better running too. Aside from ArmA 2 and Clear Sky, it's one of the toughest games to run. Yet the information you provide isn't relevant. Your post: computers get 50 FPS on Crysis at 1920x1200 with 16x AA in DX10 with maxed settings. How exactly does that relate to my comparison, or more importantly, the optimization problems with ArmA 2? ---------- Post added at 01:40 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:39 AM ---------- What settings are you using? And most curiously - which 3d Resolution? Crysis is nowhere close to as CPU dependant as A2 and what "looks better" is entirely subjective. Like many before you, you tried to make the point that "Crysis runs fine, so why doesn't A2". That is why my info is totally relevant. You say you get ~50 FPS in Crysis @ High settings (you don't supply a resolution). My point remains. Crysis requires a beastly machine to run well @ Max settings/Eye candy/Resolutions, so does A2. Eth Edited August 5, 2009 by BangTail Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckles 10 Posted August 5, 2009 I had horrible mouse lag when I used my bluetooth mouse, but when I switched to wired(USB) it went away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thirdup 0 Posted August 5, 2009 What settings are you using? And most curiously - which 3d Resolution? Nothing fancy. This is what I run for MP (I crank things up a bit if I'm tinkering offline or in the editor) Driving a 29" Hannspree monitor. Running TrackIR and Vent in the background pretty much 24/7 http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=551915 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t1337Dude 10 Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) Crysis is nowhere close to as CPU dependant as A2 and what "looks better" is entirely subjective.Like many before you, you tried to make the point that "Crysis runs fine, so why doesn't A2". That is why my info is totally relevant. You say you get ~50 FPS in Crysis @ High settings (you don't supply a resolution). My point remains. Crysis requires a beastly machine to run well @ Max settings/Eye candy/Resolutions, so does A2. Eth Crysis requires a $600 (maybe even $500) for High Settings at 1680x1050. For $600, ArmA 2 struggles at medium settings. Doesn't look as good as Crysis. My point is that the game would more likely be the problem. Edited August 5, 2009 by t1337Dude Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bangtail 0 Posted August 5, 2009 Crysis requires a $600 (maybe even $500) for High Settings at 1680x1050. For $600, ArmA 2 struggles at medium settings. Doesn't look as good as Crysis. My point is that the game would more likely be the problem. $500.00 PC? Guess that's the end of our discussion. Have fun :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t1337Dude 10 Posted August 5, 2009 Even at lowest settings, where I'm clearly getting good FPS, there's a few milliseconds of mouselag. For me, Crysis at 20 FPS feels more responsive than this game at 60 FPS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bangtail 0 Posted August 5, 2009 Even at lowest settings, where I'm clearly getting good FPS, there's a few milliseconds of mouselag. For me, Crysis at 20 FPS feels more responsive than this game at 60 FPS. There is definitely an issue there. No doubt about that. Your PC should play A2 fine. Eth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fitzee 7 Posted August 5, 2009 Yea better looking graphics is entirely subjective, but I've never understood why so many people say crysis is so good. To me crysis graphics are cartoony at best. I feel for the people having so much trouble with the game, I've never experienced mouse lag in flashpoint, aa1 or aa2, except on a friends system with a wireless mouse. The game runs great here (haven't had any problems yet)on a middle of the road system - Q9300 @ 3ghz, 4 gigs ram, 9800gx2 and the *dreaded* Vista64 os. Most settings on normal except high shadows and low PP. res-1920x1080 3d fillrate 100%. Smooth fps ranging between 30's and vsync capped 60. Maybe I have a golden horseshoe up my butt :o Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bulldogs 10 Posted August 5, 2009 Some people are getting this problem and I'm not sure what the cause of it is. Keep in mind that there are 2 different problems that people seem to mix up. First being mouse smoothing/acceleration, which makes the mouse feel heavy and hard to aim. Second being mouse lag, which is when you move the mouse and a second later it moves on screen. Reducing the view distance helped lower the mouse lag for most people but still not sure what the direct cause is. In the end, best to wait for a patch to see if everyone's problems are fixed with mouse lag before buying the full game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bangtail 0 Posted August 5, 2009 Yea better looking graphics is entirely subjective, but I've never understood why so many people say crysis is so good. To me crysis graphics are cartoony at best.I feel for the people having so much trouble with the game, I've never experienced mouse lag in flashpoint, aa1 or aa2, except on a friends system with a wireless mouse. The game runs great here (haven't had any problems yet)on a middle of the road system - Q9300 @ 3ghz, 4 gigs ram, 9800gx2 and the *dreaded* Vista64 os. Most settings on normal except high shadows and low PP. res-1920x1080 3d fillrate 100%. Smooth fps ranging between 30's and vsync capped 60. Maybe I have a golden horseshoe up my butt :o Crysis is a very pretty game and it goes out of it's way to be pretty. A2 is a little more rustic, it tries to emulate reality without all the vibrance. I like them both for different reasons but Crysis has an almost constant "wow" factor as far as it's visuals go (much the same as "name your fave Stephen Sommers/Michael Bay flick"). By comparison, some places in A2 are drab and boring, while others are stunning. I was exploring Chernarus looking for a place to start my next mission and I walked about in the woods for about 20 mins, scouting locations. As I emerged from the woods, I came across a pond in a clearing surrounded by rocks (and I'd enabled the wildlife module). As I walked up to the pond, a rabbit shot off into the brush. It's that sense of immersion and believability that Crysis does NOT do well. Crysis makes you feel like the star of a feature film. A2 has a very unique ability to make you feel like Joe Bloggs, just out for a walk in the woods, just a small part of a bigger world and NOT the center of it. I'm not sure everyone will appreciate my perspective here and it doesn't sound like much, but it's something no other franchise offers in terms of visual realism. Eth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckles 10 Posted August 5, 2009 As I emerged from the woods, I came across a pond in a clearing surrounded by rocks (and I'd enabled the wildlife module). As I walked up to the pond, a rabbit shot off into the brush. Was it up near Willow or Black lake northeast of Khelm? I recently drove through there on one of the campaign missions and my "user mission awesome location!"-sense immediately perked up. (technically, by "drove through" I mean "was ambushed by Chedaki while attempting to drive through"...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bangtail 0 Posted August 5, 2009 Was it up near Willow or Black lake northeast of Khelm? I recently drove through there on one of the campaign missions and my "user mission awesome location!"-sense immediately perked up. (technically, by "drove through" I mean "was ambushed by Chedaki while attempting to drive through"...) It was near Black lake :) Eth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t1337Dude 10 Posted August 5, 2009 Alright, setting my maximum ore-rendered frames to 1 in my NVIDIA Control Panel actually nearly fixed the mouselag. There's a little bit left, but 90% of it is gone. Great, right? Well, I guess that wasn't the only reason why it wasn't enjoyable. Turns out there's a crazy amount of mouse acceleration I'm noticing. Not even including the previous mouse lag, that truly makes aiming a bitch. Any idea on how to turn that off? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricM 0 Posted August 5, 2009 I think it's meant to be a little heavy to aim to simulate the weight of the waypon swaying (unlike in other games). At least that's how I see it and got used to it. It makes each shot more rewarding when you hit. You can tweak your "mouse acceleration" and "pointer precision" settings in windows/configuration panel (some turn it off and say it's better), play with sensitivity and floating zone in game (boost/reduced according to you taste). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t1337Dude 10 Posted August 5, 2009 Trust me, I have all the mouse acceleration stuff in Windows turned off. It's detrimental to gaming leaving those options on. I play Counter-Strike competitively and have for years, and when something is hindering my ability to aim, it's a huge turn off. I want to have rewarding gameplay by actually attempting difficult shots, not by attempting to "beat" the games controls. I hate to seem picky, but this game is the only one I've played to force mouse acceleration on me, and it's unbearable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
l mandrake 9 Posted August 5, 2009 Mouse lag may be simple lack of knowledge of the floating zone function... Good call, the OP should check he has Floating Zone disabled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t1337Dude 10 Posted August 5, 2009 Good call, the OP should check he has Floating Zone disabled. I have no clue what floating zone is, nor any idea where I would disable it if it was enabled by default. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bulldogs 10 Posted August 5, 2009 Floating zone is in the game settings (in options), put it to minimum (0), other than that, lower your view distance, force V-Sync off (in Nvidia control panel, or on the ATI tray tools), if you use a custom mouse, lower the mouse sensitivity in game, and raise the mouse sensitivity on your mouse (or try the opposite) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t1337Dude 10 Posted August 5, 2009 Call me blind, but I don't see an option anywhere for "floating zone". I see one for "dead zone". Perhaps that's what you're talking about? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites