Will my PC Run this? What CPU/GPU to get? What settings? System Specifications.

[Leon86 13]

Yeah, that'll be a good upgrade.

might want to compare 7850 and 7870 prices and performance. the 7870 has gone down in price lately but it's only 20% faster, 7850 is probably still a better deal.

ati vs nvidia often results in fanboy flamewars, nvidia drivers have fewer issues in arma 2, but this is mostly with multigpu setups. for single gpu both are fine. nvidia's interesting cards are the gtx670 and gtx680, they dont have anything on the 300 eu mark yet.

[BasileyOne 10]

I hardly suppose anybody to read page 843... hmmm.

Of course there are thousands of tests and comparisons of graphic cards out there. But since I'm mainly playing BIS games, I just thought to collect one or another opinion here. I'd like to replace the GRAPHIC CARD ONLY. 1680x1050 is the native resolution of my screen (actually I really don't see the reason why people more and more tend to sit in front of cinema canvas on their desks that can be measured in square metres).

The price limit is ~300 €. I thought of something like a Radeon 7870.

Is ATI vs Nvidia more than a fanboy question?

I'd like to enjoy Arma II further on (on really high settings and viewdistance in Chernarus) and be prepared for Arma III.

Current system:

Windows 7 64bit

Asus P67 Sabertooth Rev.

Intel i7-2600 @3.4GHz

Corsair 16MB DDR3-1600

SSD SATA 6GB/S

Sapphire HD5770 Vapor-X 1MB

@1680x1050

7850 good deal even w/o mild OC.

basically in NVidia GPU's notably bigger fillrate performance flexibility enjoyed/used by Nvidia in drivers, become extremely beneficiary for Arma2 in level, unusual for other games.

AMD partners, however offer 7950/7970 variations with 6Gb of memory onboard, which conserve TREMENDOUS amounts of appz/Arma2 dataset/dataflow, from behing shuffled between hdd, memory and GPU, instead being used more efficiently together.

my verdict is wait for 2013 Spring for 8xxx's GPU's, cuz 7xxx provide untolerable less bang per buck ration, being considerably less noisier/hot/power-hungry however :)

[dannyfc 1]

Alright guys, how about this for a budget gaming machine; Gallant AMD 4100 USB3.

Specs;

CPU: AMD FX 4100 Black Edition

Operating System: Microsoft® Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

Motherboard: Asus M5A78L-M/USB3

RAM: 8GB DDR3 1333mhz (2x 4GB)

Hard Drive: 1TB S-ATAIII 6.0Gb/s

Optical Drive: 22x DVD±RW DL S-ATA

Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti 1GB

Sound card: Onboard 7.1 Audio

Case: Xigmatek Asgard

PSU: 400W Xigmatek

From what I've read the only concern is the CPU, apparently the AMD FX 4100 isn't well regarded. What I want to know is, is it enough to run Operation Arrow smoothly at medium settings? I don't expect maxed out graphics, but a good, consistent framerate is my overall aim.

My budget is £500 ($750), and that is the absolute limit to what I can afford. For another £13 I can upgrade the RAM to 1600hz, is this worthwhile? I'm not especially technically adept, so any advice or direction you can give would be appreciated.

Cheers.

[Leon86 13]

yeah, that cpu is a poor choice for arma 2, phenom II quads perform better.

[dannyfc 1]

yeah, that cpu is a poor choice for arma 2, phenom II quads perform better.

Poor, but is it adequate?

[Leon86 13]

it's faster than min requirements. so it should work.

[BasileyOne 10]

strictly-speaking, FX4xxx CPU's wasn't bad, just had slightly inadequate IPC ratio for Arma2, heavily-tuned for iNtel chips[sSE dataflow meant :/)

bright side, however is, AMD FX'es is first [really-really]SSEx.x-compatible chips, so at least you would be free from issues.

sadly theis not mean, absence of switching to FPU-code fallback-code in both Arma2 and DirectX from [way faster]SSE counterparts.

[off-topic]well, speaking theoretically, thats why generally, both FX'es and Haswell features are main reasons, why most game developers should start move code into AVX2, because performance/ease2code/scalability potential benefits are inmanaginable, even w/o use of BMIx/FMAx/IOMMUv2 stuff.[/off-topic]

Edited August 3, 2012 by BasileyOne

[dannyfc 1]

Thanks guys, I went for the Intel i5 processor instead.

Could only afford 4gb RAM once I'd upgraded the CPU, PSU and Motherboard, but I suppose that's easily upgradable if it's a problem.

Cheers

[BasileyOne 10]

sure. its way easier to add extra-memory, than change CPU, GPU or anything else :)

basically 4Gb good start, especially if thats one module - you had more space to expand/upgrade, at expenser of speed[bandwidth] ;)

but nowdays i suggest picking 8Gb modules if you can afford - only ~22% more expensive than similar 2x4Gb pack/kit, and pack lot of memory :-))

[egorgeg 1]

Will this PC be enough for Medium-High settings at a good FPS?

OS: Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit w/SP1

Processor (CPU): AMD BULLDOZER QUAD CORE FX-4170 (4.20GHz/4MB CACHE/AM3+)

Motherboard: ASUS® M5A78L-M/USB3 (M-ATX, DDR3, USB 3.0, 3Gb/s)

Memory (RAM): 8GB SAMSUNG DUAL-DDR3 1333MHz (2 X 4GB)

Graphics Card: 2GB AMD RADEON™ HD7850 - DVI,HDMI,2 mDP - DX® 11, Eyefinity 4 Capable

Memory (Hard Disk) :500GB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD5002AALX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 32MB CACHE (7200rpm)

Thanks in advanced.

Edited August 3, 2012 by egorgeg

[Leon86 13]

the bulldozer fx-4xxx cpu's aren't that good for arma 2, so you'll struggle in cities and other cpu heavy events.

rest of the system is good.

[egorgeg 1]

the bulldozer fx-4xxx cpu's aren't that good for arma 2, so you'll struggle in cities and other cpu heavy events.

rest of the system is good.

In what settings is that? What settings would that run the game comfortabley? All I need is it to run on medium, some high maybe, and I'm fine with that. What FPS do you think I could get in certain areas say, on high settings.

I'm asking because I've been asking around making sure this PC build runs all my games well before I order it, and everyone apart from you now have said "yes most/all games high/ultra easy". Not saying I don't believe you, just trying to make sure.

Cheers.

[Leon86 13]

With arma the cpu speed is much more important than in any other game. Ideally you want a cpu with high performance per core and 4 cores.

the bulldozer cpu's perform pretty poor in all games (if you set settings to really test it) except battlefield 3 (because that's multithreaded very well and compared to arma not as cpu heavy), but most games aren't that cpu demanding anyway so you dont notice much.

I dont have a bulldozer so I cant test how it performs exactly.

[egorgeg 1]

On the PC build I can only get those Bulldozer ones, there's 3 cores, 4 cores, 6 cores or 8 cores. And I'm already above budget. I'll wait and see if anyone else has any more info on it, thanks for the reply.

Edited August 3, 2012 by egorgeg
Spelling mistakes fixed.

[Leon86 13]

well here's a link, not a very realistic test as they only have a small map and way too high settings

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/10/12/amd-fx-8150-review/9

anyway, the fx8150 on 3.6 performs about the same as an i7-920 on 2.67, arma only scales well to 3 cores so chances are the higher clockspeed of the 4xxx actually makes it peform slightly better, but the 4xxx doesnt have 4 "full" cores but 2 modules with 2 70%cores and a bunch of shared hardware.

[egorgeg 1]

You have lost me completely, sorry. I will wait until someone can say at what settings I can run the game nicely.

[greywulf58 4]

I do hope that I am posting this in the correct forum section. If not, I will apologize beforehand to the moderators. When I read the recommended requirements to run ArmA II, its expansions, and the forthcoming ArmA III, I have trouble finding a video card that will support them. I just found a complete computer system for $689.00, sans the monitor, that supports Shader 3.0. I have listed the specs below and would like to know if this computer would be what I need to run these fine simulations.

Unlocked 3.6 GHz AMD FX-4100 quad-core processor (3.8 GHz with Turbo CORE technology; 8 MB L3 cache)

500 GB SATA hard drive (7200 RPM, 3.0 GB/s) with RAID 0, 1, 10, JBOD compatibility

8 GB of installed DDR3 RAM (1333 MHz; maximum)

AMD Radeon HD 6670 graphics with 1 GB of dedicated video RAM

Dual-layer DVD±RW drive

Again, if I have posted to the wrong forum section, please excuse me. I am still learning.

Thanks,

Chris

[BasileyOne 10]

You have lost me completely, sorry. I will wait until someone can say at what settings I can run the game nicely.

there is no system/processors, built to do BIS games flawlessly, built/created, yet, sadly ;)

maybe Hawell chips or Steamroller ? :)

talking about FX context - keep it moderately OC-ed, RAM timings - heavily tuned[particulary CAS limited/fast. and leave DQS training turned]

basically, FX designed toward more multithreaded appz, than most presently dominated on desktop.

but DirectX will change this soon.

also both iNtel and AMD declared[iNtel in less harsh words] SSE "deprecated" and suggest coding in AVX new appz.

so, to see new chips shine, we're should see new software generation[and developers generation, probably].

Edited August 4, 2012 by BasileyOne

[egorgeg 1]

Okay. No idea what you just said.

EDIT: New build, is this one better?

Intel® Core™i5-2500k Quad Core (3.30GHz, 6MB Cache) + HD Graphics

Motherboard: ASUS® P8Z77-M: MICRO-ATX, USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs, ATI®CrossFireX

Memory (RAM): 8GB SAMSUNG DUAL-DDR3 1333MHz

Graphics Card: 2GB AMD RADEONâ„¢ HD7850

Memory (Hard Disk): 1TB 3.5" SATA-III 6GB/s HDD 7200RPM 32MB CACHE

If anything you think needs tweaking or adding, here is an URL to the build, free to be edited: http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/quotes/intel-ivy-bridge-pc/398VyQkzau/

You think I should get an SSD? the only one there is a 20GB Intel 313 Series, is that one good? Or is an SSD unnecessary?

Edited August 4, 2012 by egorgeg

[VanhA-ICON 11]

I do hope that I am posting this in the correct forum section. If not, I will apologize beforehand to the moderators. When I read the recommended requirements to run ArmA II, its expansions, and the forthcoming ArmA III, I have trouble finding a video card that will support them. I just found a complete computer system for $689.00, sans the monitor, that supports Shader 3.0. I have listed the specs below and would like to know if this computer would be what I need to run these fine simulations.

Unlocked 3.6 GHz AMD FX-4100 quad-core processor (3.8 GHz with Turbo CORE technology; 8 MB L3 cache)

500 GB SATA hard drive (7200 RPM, 3.0 GB/s) with RAID 0, 1, 10, JBOD compatibility

8 GB of installed DDR3 RAM (1333 MHz; maximum)

AMD Radeon HD 6670 graphics with 1 GB of dedicated video RAM

Dual-layer DVD±RW drive

Again, if I have posted to the wrong forum section, please excuse me. I am still learning.

Thanks,

Chris

Even if some certain cards can offer surprises , I can ease your mind with my settings:

Only dual core AMD 2.4GHz and 3Gb of DDR2 memory + GF8800GTS card.

With these relics I can run the game just fine. Of course I can't use much AA/VSYNC etc but still... no complaints here.

You should be quite safe with your listed gear.

[PuFu 4600]

You have lost me completely, sorry. I will wait until someone can say at what settings I can run the game nicely.

no one will be able to do that for you, unless one has the exact same system specs as you posted, which is really unlikely.

EDIT: New build, is this one better?

Intel® Core™i5-2500k Quad Core (3.30GHz, 6MB Cache) + HD Graphics

Motherboard: ASUS® P8Z77-M: MICRO-ATX, USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs, ATI®CrossFireX

Memory (RAM): 8GB SAMSUNG DUAL-DDR3 1333MHz

Graphics Card: 2GB AMD RADEONâ„¢ HD7850

Memory (Hard Disk): 1TB 3.5" SATA-III 6GB/s HDD 7200RPM 32MB CACHE

If anything you think needs tweaking or adding, here is an URL to the build, free to be edited: http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/quotes/intel-ivy-bridge-pc/398VyQkzau/

You think I should get an SSD? the only one there is a 20GB Intel 313 Series, is that one good? Or is an SSD unnecessary?

Yes, it is better. And Yes, you should grab a SSD, but at least 60-80gb in size.

[egorgeg 1]

Okay, I think I will be getting that one. Thanks for all the help, I'm now sorted.

Edited August 4, 2012 by egorgeg

[Dantheman4887 1]

So I know my system can't run this game, it says error: shader 2 model not supported. My current graphics card is intel g33/g31 Express Chipset Family. Any recommendations on a graphics card I can get? I don't want to get a really expensive one...

Heres the specs that came up in my system info

OS Name Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium

Version 6.0.6002 Service Pack 2 Build 6002

Other OS Description Not Available

OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation

System Manufacturer Dell Inc.

System Model Vostro 200

System Type X86-based PC

Processor Intel® Core2 Duo CPU E7200 @ 2.53GHz, 2534 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s)

SMBIOS Version 2.5

Windows Directory C:\Windows

System Directory C:\Windows\system32

Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume3

Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 3.00 GB

Total Physical Memory 2.99 GB

Available Physical Memory 1.09 GB

Total Virtual Memory 6.20 GB

Available Virtual Memory 3.05 GB

Page File Space 3.28 GB

Page File C:\pagefile.sys

[Bodin 1]

As above and seeking ideas/enhancements for build primarily for arma 3 (I know it's not out yet etc) but figured I can get lots of practice on arma 2.

This is the proposed build;

Case: Corsair Obsidian Series 650D Black Mid Tower Case

Motherboard - Intel Z77 Chipset: Asus Sabertooth Z77 Intel Z77 Chipset

CPU: Intel Core i7 3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz Quad Core + Hyperthreading 8MB Cache OC'd to 4.6 ghz

CPU Coolers: Corsair H100 Hydro Series Extreme Performance

Memory - DDR3: 16GB (4x4GB) Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600MHz

NVIDIA Graphics - Multi GPU SLI Options Available: 2GB EVGA GTX 680 SC 1084MHz GPU 1536 Cores 6208MHz GDDR5 x 2 in SLI

Power Supply Unit: 850W Corsair Pro Series AX Modular

Solid State Drives: 256GB Corsair Performance Pro Marvell SSD Read 515MB s Write 440MB s

System Drives: 2TB Seagate Barracuda SATA 6Gb s 7200rpm 64MB Cache

Optical Drive 1 - DVD Blu Ray: LG BH10LS38 Blu-ray Writer

Operating system: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit - OEM

TFT Monitor: 30" Dell Ultrasharp U3011 Widescreen LCD 2560x1600

Any recommended additions/substractions/replacements.

Was thinking of a second SSD and a quiter cooling system. Not looking to spend much more as bank broken already!

Many thanks in anticipation!

[PuFu 4600]

So I know my system can't run this game, it says error: shader 2 model not supported. My current graphics card is intel g33/g31 Express Chipset Family. Any recommendations on a graphics card I can get? I don't want to get a really expensive one...

Heres the specs that came up in my system info

Unfortunately, no matter of what GFX card you will get, your CPU will bottleneck it.

As above and seeking ideas/enhancements for build primarily for arma 3 (I know it's not out yet etc) but figured I can get lots of practice on arma 2.

This is the proposed build;

The corsair H series cooling systems are not all that noisy. For the cooling it provides, you can't get better.

A 256 SSD would do for both OS and A2/3. If you want better get another identical SSD and raid them.