confusion on island size

[POTS 0]

I'm getting kind of sick of this. You got people saying arma2's land mass is larger, and you got people saying arma2's land mass is smaller. Where is the truth to this? I know arma1 has 400sqkm map, but whats the main land mass size difference?

[Maddmatt 1]

ArmA1's map is much smaller than 400sqkm if you measure only landmass. There is a lot of ocean around it. I would guess it's about 200sqkm of landmass.

To compare landmass I guess you will have to wait for a map of Chernarus that has a scale, so you can then accurately compare it with Sahrani using measurements. Then you also have the possibility to overlay them in Photoshop for a nice visual comparison.

[jakerod 254]

I'm getting kind of sick of this. You got people saying arma2's land mass is larger, and you got people saying arma2's land mass is smaller. Where is the truth to this? I know arma1 has 400sqkm map, but whats the main land mass size difference?

I did an overlay in photoshop lining up the runways together to give an approximate measurement and I think Sahrani was slightly bigger. That being said though a lot of Sahrani isn't really useable for anything. Also using the runways to measure them up isn't exactly accurate and I could be way off if Chenarus' runway is bigger.

[wamingo 1]

ign article is conclusive?

"Chenarus may be smaller than the island of Sahrani in the first game, but it's a much more diverse area."

Hopefully "more diverse" means less useless space as there was a lot of useless space on sahrani (tall flat mountains and such).

[ANZACSAS Steven 396]

I really hope that Arma 2 isnt smaller than Sahrani.

I am not 100% sure but i think Nogova is larger than Sahrani.

If Chenarus is smaller than Sahrani we have had a gradual Decrease in Playable terrain.

I often come across the limiting factor of Sahrani's unsable area's for ai and seemingly very restricted island size.

Sahrani would be great if it had roughly a few square kilometres of those very nice field areas seperating everytown etc on the island.

Arma 2 needs to "relax" the density of the island and give us some more room for search and destroy missions etc .Especially if the RTS aspect is going to further explored.

Nogova's two asphalt runway's made the island suitable for almost every mission one could think of.

Sahrani's single asphalt runway setup is quite annoying for the more hardcore of players who refuse to use multi million dollar aircraft on grass air fields.Anyone notice how very little air missions leave from North Sahrani airfield as compared to the airport in the south.

2 "full" runways would increase playability and most importantly replayability.Expanding the island size would only work to show off Arma/2 's gameplay aspects.

Just my opinion.

Steve.

[gsleighter 0]

225km2 is only 15 by 15km, or three Schmalfeldens wide. So, it's the size of nine Schmalfeldens stuck together. Which is fine, if it's all usable. Sahrani has very little usable terrain, especially the north half.

[lwlooz 0]

Hello there,

I did some unscientific calculation once and my results were the following landmasses:

-Everon: ~ 50 sq. km2

-Sahrani: ~ 100 sq. km2

Also like gssleighter stated,if Chernarus uses a cell size of 7.5m and you have a 2048x2048 map , that puts you at 15km per side.

I did a cheap comparison pic , which by no means is sure to represent the truth as I could have screwed up somewhere.

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Edited June 16, 2009 by lwlooz

[gsleighter 0]

I used a marker to measure Schmalfelden, which is 5km per side. I copied this marker into Sahrani, and made 8 more copies to represent the Chernarus map, and here's the comparison. The grey marker over the island is 225km2, or about the size of the Chernarus map. Even if the south and east edges are coastal, the map looks like it wastes little space with water in the promo materials on Arma2.com. So we're getting MUCH more playable space this time around, if the pictures of Chernarus are any indicator.

[Maddmatt 1]

I really hope that Arma 2 isnt smaller than Sahrani.

I am not 100% sure but i think Nogova is larger than Sahrani.

If Chenarus is smaller than Sahrani we have had a gradual Decrease in Playable terrain.

Nope. But it's bigger than South Sahrani.

Nogova is slightly larger than South Sahrani. It is just over 10 km from one end to the other while South Sahrani is just under 10km. Someone did an overlay of Nogova on top of Sahrani a while ago which was a great comparison. I don't know where to find it now though.

From the southern tip of Sahrani to the northern end is about 20km.

I did some quick rough measurements in the mission editor using waypoints.

My guess is that Sahrani has less than 200 sq. km of landmass. Maybe it's about 130 sq. km.

[Second 0]

My guess is that Sahrani has less than 200 sq. km of landmass. Maybe it's about 130 sq. km.

From which steep mountains took quite huge chunks. I dont' know does someone get interesting missions idea's situated in mountains, but atleast i have severe problems in using that space.

[gsleighter 0]

From the southern tip of Sahrani to the northern end is about 20km.

It's quite a bit smaller, by my ruler. The markers I made for that picture were slightly smaller than Schmalfelden, which was 512 cells at 10 meters a cell, or a little over 5 km. So, the entire grey box was 15 km by 15 km, so it looks about 13 km from tip to tip.

And, I've got to agree with second, but the center mountains of South Sahrani are unusable, as well as everything north of Everon, east of Obregan, and south of Masbete. Northeast of Eponia's pretty worthless, also the peaks north of Tlaloc and Hunapu. That doesn't leave a lot of actually useful misison area, especially compared to the more tame topography of Chernarus.

[POTS 0]

Wait, wouldn't setting a marker to 15000m x 15000m create a marker that is 225sqkm? I'm confused because it's a lot bigger than the sahrani land mass.

EDIT: Also, the max for the sahrani map is like 20000m x 20000m which is 400sqkm so that fits nicely with reported size.

[gsleighter 0]

That size includes all the surrounding ocean. The actual landmass is much smaller. Also, the marker size was determined by measuring the Schmalfelden map by Nicholas Bell, which is 5120m by 5120m, or 5.12 km per side. The large grey marker is made up of 9 5000m markers, so the total area is 225km2, the reported size of Chernarus. So while the total map area is smaller than the 400km2 map of Sahrani, so much of that 400km2 is useless ocean and high relief terrain that we'll be getting a MUCH larger playable and useful area in Arma2.