Side arms

[miss_cleo 0]

well jub it appears you may be right about the ak74su.. according to the official kalashnikov site it entered service in 1979 and was intended for paratroopers, spec ops, signal men, and armored crew.. while i still would like to know how widely available it would have been so close to its initial roll out i will concede the point.

the submachine gun was not developed originally for tank crews. the first submachine gun (discounting, of course the villar perosa or the m1903 springfield w/ the pedersen device) was the german MP-18, also known as the bergmann. it was developed in WWI to give infantry fighting in close quarters (read: trenches) fully automatic firepower

[LordZach 0]

i think the baretta is a 92

http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1100/1157.htm

[Guest Scooby]

What comes to having two weapons in hand at once I've shot assault rifles with one hand. Not very accurate.

Changing magazine does not take very much time. Atleast not on AK type of rifles. Especially if you do not collect mag back all you've got to do is to push little lever bit forward and mag drops, then take new mag from ammo pouch or where ever you are having your mags and insert it to mag slot.

In most cases you would be anyways on the ground while changing magazine or taking your pistol and while defending all you'd have to do is to duck down and reload.

And as you know soldiers move in pairs so while you are reloading your pair is supposed to cover you.

[LordZach 0]

i've learned you can't trust the AI to do too much. i've seen one guy take out my squad because they couldn't seem to figure out what "all, target soldier" means.

by the way, nice post count

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (madmike @ Mar. 11 2002,19:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ha,LOL have you ever seen a soldier walking around with 2 pistols? Play CS or max payne if you want that<span id='postcolor'>

nah, the ultimate akimbo game would be Goldeneye for the N64! LOL shooting with two M16s or even RPGs

[The Jub-Jub Bird 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Miss_Cleo @ Mar. 12 2002,01:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well jub it appears you may be right about the ak74su.. according to the official kalashnikov site it entered service in 1979 and was intended for paratroopers, spec ops, signal men, and armored crew.. while i still would like to know how widely available it would have been so close to its initial roll out i will concede the point.

the submachine gun was not developed originally for tank crews. the first submachine gun (discounting, of course the villar perosa or the m1903 springfield w/ the pedersen device) was the german MP-18, also known as the bergmann. it was developed in WWI to give infantry fighting in close quarters (read: trenches)  fully automatic firepower<span id='postcolor'>

Historically, the first time the AKSU-74 (as is the correct term - not AK-74SU) saw action was in the Russian-Afgan war of 1982 used by armour crew and special forces.

You are right about the SMGs not originally being designed for tankers, not sure what I was thinking there. I also have a very early SMG in mind having said that, the original Thompson (or Tommy Gun) entered production in 1919.

But some models are certainly born into this world for armoured vehicle crews, such as of course the AKSU-74 and XM (although you could argue that the XM is a predicessor to the Colt SMG M4 which was designed for urban and jungle operations where the M16 is just too combersome).

Jubs

Jubs

[shadow 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Armourdave @ Mar. 11 2002,22:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I certainly dont agree that changing the mag in your rifle is slower than drawing a pistol out, cocking and firing it.<span id='postcolor'>

When you grab the pistol, you emediately cock it with your other hand and simultaneously turn the safety off. It's all done in one move and is alot faster than changing a mag for your rifle.

It's very easy too.

Atleast I got no problems with my Beretta 92FS

My Browning .22 is a different matter hehe

[XtremeX19 0]

true true....

thought i must admit im pretty quick reloading my SKS....

[wardivich 0]

madmike:

for your information, the british do use knifes, thay fix them to the end of there rifles, so don't tell me that thay only use them for makeing toast.

and as for pistols, belive me, the british specal forces Do have them. (i also know peaple that were isued them during the boznia conflict, just because thay were driving trucks)

i quote (from someone who i'm not abliged to identify)

" there are some pice's of equipment that never leave your side, even when your not on duty, and one of them is your pistol"

and as far as the hand geting in the way when fireing a pistol, the solution would be for codemasters to modify there program so both hands come together, which for some one who has the full sdk should be about a weeks work at max.

:?)

[SpetsnazWarriorX 0]

Yup, hand-to-hand combat would be a welcome addition for my OFP experience. Think about it: In real life, the Spetsnaz are trained for the Russian martial art 'Systema', a.k.a. 'The System'. This is like, a truly BRUTAL martial art - better than those weird Japanese and Chinese ones! So, why not give the Spetsnaz troops in OFP the ability to use Systema, and the US troops to use whatever the Americans are trained in (they'd lose to the the East of course, 'cause Russia simply roks) Some much needed additional stealth for those wonderful black ops missions!

[XtremeX19 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SpetsnazWarriorX @ Mar. 14 2002,14:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yup, hand-to-hand combat would be a welcome addition for my OFP experience. Think about it: In real life, the Spetsnaz are trained for the Russian martial art 'Systema', a.k.a. 'The System'. This is like, a truly BRUTAL martial art - better than those weird Japanese and Chinese ones! So, why not give the Spetsnaz troops in OFP the ability to use Systema, and the US troops to use whatever the Americans are trained in (they'd lose to the the East of course, 'cause Russia simply roks) Some much needed additional stealth for those wonderful black ops missions!<span id='postcolor'>

its called jujitsu (dont remember how to spell it). at least in 85 it was, right now they're teaching a different type (and i must admit, it's damned good)

and it's not the type of hand to hand combat being used that will decide the victor, it's the skill used in the hand to hand combat.

[PopUpTarget 0]

After reading through all of these messages it occured to me that no one has even mentioned the idea of a shotgun.

A lot of aircrews in Vietnam carried them. They're a lot more effective in the 50-25 meter range than a pistol. And due to the design, fit better in tight spaces (no magazine sticking out).

In fact, up until recently, and they may still do this, some infantry squads do have one or two guys carrying the 12 gauge pump. It's quite effective in urban situations, and it'll open just about any locked door. Not to mention breaking up clustered groups of enemy.

[Guest]

I think in vietnam alot of point men used a 12 guage because it was short and quick to aim compared to the M16 which would get caught in the undergrowth and trees and was generally slower to aim.

I think a shot gun in OFP would be fun but would have limited use due to the way OFP is mainly 200-300M firefights and when moving through the forests you're normally scattered (no true point man)

I imagine OpVietnam will have one though.

[PopUpTarget 0]

In Vietnam it was also a quick way to clear the inside of a hooch. And it was good for jungle fighting where distances were close, but targets were unclear. And the 12 gauge didn't jam like the M16.

I agree that OFP as it stands doesn't lend itself to that. Unless someone creates an urban "SWAT" type mission. I'm definitely looking forward to the Vietnam missions.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (XtremeX19 @ Mar. 14 2002,19:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SpetsnazWarriorX @ Mar. 14 2002,14:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yup, hand-to-hand combat would be a welcome addition for my OFP experience. Think about it: In real life, the Spetsnaz are trained for the Russian martial art 'Systema', a.k.a. 'The System'. This is like, a truly BRUTAL martial art - better than those weird Japanese and Chinese ones! So, why not give the Spetsnaz troops in OFP the ability to use Systema, and the US troops to use whatever the Americans are trained in (they'd lose to the the East of course, 'cause Russia simply roks) Some much needed additional stealth for those wonderful black ops missions!<span id='postcolor'>

its called jujitsu (dont remember how to spell it).  at least in 85 it was, right now they're teaching a different type (and i must admit, it's damned good)

and it's not the type of hand to hand combat being used that will decide the victor, it's the skill used in the hand to hand combat.<span id='postcolor'>

to SpetsnazWarriorX

Wierd Japanese stuff? you obviously didn't experience pain associated with these 'wierd techniques'. they usually involve easy joint manipulations that can cause serious harm.

to XtremeX19

bingo. jujitsu is correct spelling, and you are correct that the term now describes Brazilian jujitsu, mostly renown by Gracie brothers. However, as far as I remember, Brazilizn jujitsu was also taught by Japanese martial artist who immigrated to Brazil. So there are some links.

You are also correct that it's the skill that determines victor. I've been in numerous fight(both street and sparring) and most of the time, I subdued my opponent because I had better skills. It doesn't matter as much as what you learn, but how you absorb it and be able to apply it.

There are no 'best' style. Gracies were able to dominate some time, but soon ppl found it's weakness and now no one dares to say one style is better than the others.